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10th March 2018, 09:53 AM | #121 |
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Professor i psykologi om Peter Madsens sind: ’Det er det skrappeste jeg har set’ (B.T., Mar. 9, 2018)
Psychology professor about Peter Madsen’s mind: ’It’s the worst I’ve seen’
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“I don’t think that Peter is telling the truth,” says Falkenberg, 58. Since he is summoned as a witness in the trial, he won’t go into details about why Madsen’s explanation can’t be true. Peter Madsen’s lawyer Betina Hald Engmark has no comments to Jens Falkenberg’s statement.” Fotograf om billedet af Peter Madsen der afslørede blod i ansigtet: Jeg anede det ikke (B.T., Mar. 9, 2018) Photographer about the photo of Peter Madsen that revealed blood on his face: I had no idea |
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22nd March 2018, 04:23 AM | #122 |
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According to the coroner, the stab wounds in the genital area of the deceased are not consistent with Peter Madsen's explanation that they were inflicted 6-7 hours after she died. Some of them seem to have happened immediately before or after the time of death.
I don't know why carbon-monoxide poisoning as a possible cause of death wasn't mentioned at all. Retsmediciner sår tvivl om Madsens forklaring (Ekstra Bladet, Mar. 22, 2018) |
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Madsen lied? Wow, colour me shocked.
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23rd March 2018, 05:19 AM | #125 |
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Really disgusting stuff (BT, Mar. 23, 2018)
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Indeed. No doubt about it.
What does the last sentence mean? I'm taking it through Google translate. Does it mean he decided to dismember the dead body afterwards (in a state of shock), or that he decided to mate (make love? this is what Google Translate gives me) with the dead body afterwards? |
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Yes, dismember! That's an awful translation.
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Thanks, Dann, for keeping us informed.
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26th March 2018, 08:19 AM | #132 |
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Peter Madsen may be a serial killer after all.
He gave an interview in the afternoon of Aug. 10, 2017.
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27th March 2018, 08:58 AM | #135 |
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One thing that can be concluded following today's hearing: Peter Madsen enjoyed watching execution videos - including authentic ones.
It got to the point, where the law judge first asked for a break, then later following up by asking the prosecutor to sort in the videos so they wouldn't have to watch so many of them. The prosecutor replied that they had already been sorted, and that he was only showing the ones necessary to prove his case. |
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While I have followed this thread since the beginning, and read the links, I may have still missed the answer to something I'm curious about.
Is much known about his his history, the family dynamics in which he was raised, any family health issues, prior relationships with people and those types of background information? This is an interesting case. Complex and full of questions waiting to have answers. Compelling and horrific. |
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See, this one scares the **** out of me.
That guy Madsen has to be completely crazy. How did he think for a moment that he could get away with this act? The boyfriend knew where Wall was going. He expected her back in 2 hours. There was absolutely no way she could "disappear" during that time without Madsen being implicated. No conceivable scenario whatsoever. Had I been in her shoes, I would have probably felt safe for that reason alone. "Well, this guy's leering at me a bit, but he can't hurt me. Everyone would know it was him in a second." Apparently that doesn't matter when a disturbed person's urges get the better of him. Academically, I guess I knew that - but seeing it played out in this case twists my guts into knots. I wish I never had to leave my house again when I read about things like this. It's just so awful. I wonder if Madsen would have hurt the boyfriend too, had he come along, or if such "crimes of passion" are only conceivable for him when the physical odds are completely unmatched. I suspect the latter. What a sick, crazy coward. I can't believe I used to hitchhike all the time when I was younger and wilder. I must have been high. Yeah, I know, most people are good and wouldn't harm me. But all you have to do is run into that ONE bad apple, like poor Wall did. Had I been equally unfortunate, I would have effectively gift-wrapped myself for said monster. I'm worse than useless in any physical altercation, unless I suppose, my assailant is a small child. With hemophilia. |
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And even if we take his explanation at face value, he's bat crazy: I mean ... you are in territorial waters, max twenty minutes from the nearest port. You passenger dies from an accident and .... you cut her up and throw the body parts in the sea with weights tied to them ...
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I guess what I'm saying is that if you're ever the victim of a freak, we'll all be able to cash in on interviews.
"Yeah Anderson, as I was saying before the break, she was a lovely woman, despite her rather racist appropriation of dreadlocks. Just lovely otherwise. What happened to her was tragic, just tragic. I'm sure that if she'd just been carrying a portable swimming pool with her, this would never have happened." |
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Interesting day yesterday, as some of the scenarios Peter Madsen has sketched out were given their day in court, so to speak.
The first expert witness was a Royal Danish Navy lieutenant commander with a technical knowledge of submarines (worth noting that the RDNY phased out submarines in 2004). Had a bit of back-and-forth with the defense counsel over whether or not her expertise in military submarines could be translated to small, private submarines. The witness largely won that battle, especially when she pointed out that the scenarios proposed by Peter Madsen, would have resulted in telltale signs inside the submarine - signs that were entirely missing. She also noted that Peter Madsen's scenario, in which he was 'locked out' of the submarine for 10-15 minutes due to pressure build-up inside, made no sense, as he would have been unable to equalise the pressure from the outside. It would only have been doable from the inside. The second expert witness was from the Danish Technological Institute, who confirmed that the calculations Peter Madsen had presented in favour of his scenarios were largely correct, but that he had failed to take into the account the heat this would have created. As the medical examiner noted in her testimony, there were no signs of heat damage in the tissue that was recovered. |
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I don't think he did. He probably considered committing suicide after 'living out the (extremely sick) dream', but chickened out.
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"Stabbing, suicide, rape and torture were some of the words that the police have found in Madsen’s search history, says Jakob Buch-Jepsen. Furthermore, Madsen has browsed for execution videos from ISIS.” I don’t think he’s suspected of planning to convert! |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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These cases always make me wonder how much has to do with upbringing and how much to do with their nature. It would be easy to see how his home life could have led him down this path but there had to be a mental issue also. A lot of people have bad childhoods and don't turn out this way.
My gut feeling on this is that if the boyfriend had agreed to come along, I think he still would have tried to attack them both. I believe his mind was made up and he would have gone for it either way. Thank you guys for keeping us updated, for the articles, and for the translations. It is much appreciated. |
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There are many ways of dealing (mentally) with an oppressor, but the two major ones are
1) to despise him and his methods, including the weakness that's usually at the bottom of that kind of behavior; to long for a future when he no longer holds sway over you; to consider how to fight oppression. The balance of power in a child-adult relationship doesn't enable this consideration as long as the child is very young and small. 2) to identify with him, despise his victim(s), and learn: Aha, that's the way to do it! And to dream of a future when you are the one who's in control! The scenario of your gut feeling is not entirely improbable: at least one of the videos that have been described was about a couple where the murderer ties up the woman before making her watch as he kills the man before killing her. However, as far as I know, poison and drugs were never mentioned in this case at all, as part of his fantasies, his search history, at his workshop or at the submarine, and Madsen doesn't appear to be big and strong. At least he doesn't in the photos where you see him next to the police. |
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I think it’s just a much more extreme version of what I find difficult to understand:
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I hadn’t noticed this detail before. From the forensic report on his mental state:
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Here in his own words:
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Unfortunately, something has been lost (or maybe too much added) in the translation of the Danish idiom "Gud og hvermand". It literally translates to "God and everybody," but it is not related to religion at all! It can be compared to the literal translation of the idiom "losing my religion"! I bet that song has given rise to a whole lot of misunderstandings. And the video didn't help! |
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More about Peter Madsen’s temper:
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Is "trustworthy" a good translation? "Credible" seems more likely to me. I'm only asking because it relates to my main point, which is that I don't think he was ever credible, even before her body was discovered.
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You're right, I think. I don't know if it's a translation, but a Dane speaking English may tend to use the word trustworthy more often than credible (or reliable) when thinking of the Danish word troværdig because they are so similar in form rather than meaning.
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I don't know how interesting Madsen's IQ is in this context, but it's probably not the IQ that you would expect to find in a rocket scientist ...
”Cognitive tests have shown that Peter Madsen has an IQ of 111, corresponding to the upper ordinary level.”
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Is it possible for an IQ test to be 'distorted' by 'defects' in the brain in certain areas, but not in others?
I mean. Say brilliant in Maths and Chemistry, but not so good in other areas of knowledge and thus middling out into something more above average as opposed to a high IQ? Serious question. I have never really looked into IQ tests and whether they differentiate in this. |
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