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4th November 2019, 06:02 PM | #41 |
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TruthCalls, thanks for this excellent presentation.
Another point to be made is that if even one locus of the sample DNA profile does not have an allele matching the DNA of a suspect, then one must conclude that the DNA of the sample does NOT contain any contribution from that suspect. If the sample does not contain any contribution from that suspect, that sample does not constitute evidence against that suspect. Under Interpretation B, accepting all apparent peaks with no minimum RFU threshold applied, alleles of Knox's DNA are not present at loci D7S820, D13S317, D195433, and VWA. Therefore, Knox's DNA does not contribute to sample 165B, and sample 165B cannot be considered evidence against Knox. Furthermore, because of the improper methods of collection, which did not protect against contamination, used for Sample 165B, that sample cannot, under Italian law, be considered as evidence against anyone accused of the murder/rape of Meredith Kercher. This was the conclusion of the Italian Supreme Court of Cassation in their final acquittal of Knox and Sollecito. |
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Which to believe? An uncited 'experiment' using play doh and crayons or an analogy presented by a government scientific site, Vecchiotti's testimony and the chart TC presented? Such a conundrum!
I guess I'll have to wait for The Machine's article. He has such a great history of presenting unbiased, science based, and accurate articles. For example, his latest opening statement in his praise of "True Crime Reporter", Roberta Glass:
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Okay, okay....try and get control of yourselves. I had the same reaction after reading it, too: initial disbelief at what I was reading followed by uncontrollable laughter. I also noticed that the anniversary of Meredith's death was finally mentioned on TJMK's Front Page. It states it was posted at by KrissyG on 11/01 at 01:00 AM. That is a lie. As I mentioned on Nov. 1:
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I know it was not there as of the times I mentioned above so there is no way it was posted at 1:00 AM on Nov. 1. Looks to me like someone is playing fast and loose with the truth. ETA: All KrissyG did was cut and paste her 'memorial' from 2015. Looks like she threw it up in a hurry. Hmmmmmm... |
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Prompted by this, I just had my bi-monthly gander at that cess-pit of an echo chamber. And "The Machine" came up with this absolute zinger, aimed at (among others) pro-acquittal/pro-innocence commentators on this case: "Apart from being mainly emotionally responsive and lacking critical thinking skills, they tend to be arrogant, opinionated and completely inflexible. Once their minds are made up, they flatly refuse to consider the possibility they might be wrong even when they are presented with clear and compelling evidence that they are." The combination of giant irony and a total lack of self-awareness here is quite something to behold
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"Apart from being mainly emotionally responsive and lacking critical thinking skills, they tend to be arrogant, opinionated and completely inflexible. Once their minds are made up, they flatly refuse to consider the possibility they might be wrong even when they are presented with clear and compelling evidence that they are."
HOLY PROJECTION, BATMAN! I damn near spewed my drink clear across the room when I read that. As for the memorial to Meredith suddenly appearing on TJMK at 1:00 AM Nov. 1, I do have to wonder exactly where in the world KrissyG was to post that when it was 4:55 PM New York time and 10:55 PM Finnish time...when it was NOT on TJMK Front Page. |
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In the past 2-3 weeks Harry has been called out for lying about Stefanoni testifying to mixed blood samples and later, for Amanda's DNA being on the clasp. In both cases, when faced with the FACTS that proved him wrong, he suddenly disappeared from the discussion. That he could write what's quoted above in light of his recent track record is truly the epitome of hypocrisy.
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Harry Rag is very vocal in attacking Amanda for lying but then lies himself which Vixen also does. I have asked this question repeatedly with no answer from Vixen. If the case against Amanda was such a slam dunk and the evidence was strong why do Harry Rag, Vixen and other PGP need to lie to argue their case. If the case against Amanda and Raffaele was so solid, why do PGP need to invent facts such as Amanda 's DNA being on the clasp and spend so much effort defending falsehoods even after being clearly shown they are falsehoods.
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RaffaeleSollecito's full DNA profile on the bra clasp hook where it was bent out of shape and found under the body, under a sheet - which was used to move the victim across the floor, itself under a duvet (placed there by a perp) which had paper scattered on top of it to imply a burglary (paradoxically after the murder) and the room firmly locked by a perp (and we all know who knew about locking it and where the key was kept) is a particularly strong piece of hard objective evidence against him, which together with all the other evidence, resulted in a strong, safe conviction after a very long fair trial, overturned only by a three-day paper-only court with a dodgy judge and interference from Hillary Clinton's US State Department and funds from Donald Trump to help Knox.
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How? What did she lie about? Once more, you make an accusation but fail to support it with any evidence. Vixen, when you constantly resort to unfounded and unsupported accusations of dishonesty by judges and experts who do not support your personal belief of guilt, it only shows how weak your position is. It does not do your argument any good to keep repeating such accusations. In fact, it actually undermines it. |
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What the hell is the matter with you, Vixen? The discussion is about Amanda's DNA NOT being on the clasp. In what way did this post respond to that? Is your behavior to divert attention so ingrained that you don't even know you're doing it or is this deliberate because you know you can't defend what you originally claimed?
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Your misrepresentation of the facts has been fixed.
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Not according to the independent experts who found it highly indicative of contamination. Or the other many experts who agree with them. Or the SC judges.
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Fine, and that's specifically what we're addressing. No one can find where Stefanoni suggests it, including you, and Vinci clearly states it's not possible to conclude Amanda's profile is present (Stacy provided the actual passage from his report - I have the full report, OCR'd into docx and then translated, so I KNOW he doesn't claim it's there).
But really, we know you're wrong on this. The point is why did you post this diversion regarding Raffaele's DNA... that's just so uncool. Stay on topic and if you can't support your claim with facts then just own up to it and move on. |
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I find that hard to believe. Only two samples were taken from the bra clasp (Nencini MR): Sample A had only Kercher's DNA. Sample B showed the mixture which we've been discussing. Sample 165-B has always referred to the sample taken from the hook, not the fabric. The report you provided yourself clearly states the subject is 165-B on the first page in large, black letters.
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Sloppy research on my part, I guess. But I'll be honest, I'm still a bit confused. Vixen claims Trump provided funds which were used to help Amanda and interfere with the justice system. However, I've researched this for a while now and aside from an unnamed "business insider" claiming an offer was made, I can find no evidence of funds being provided by Trump to Amanda and her family. Perhaps it's more sloppy research on my part but I'm hoping Vixen, or anyone else, can point me to a source which would confirm this.
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Amanda confirms that Trump contributed to her defense fund. The amount and date are not provided.
But from what is said in media reports it was, at the very latest, 2011. He tweeted about it several times in 2011. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...504-story.html |
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Thank God Hillary and Trump could put aside their differences to agree to free a crazed killer for no reason
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Vixen is now breaking guilter protocol by switching from mafia conspiracy to State Department conspiracy. If the State Department was involved in rigging the Supreme Court verdict it means top level US government officials viewed Knox favorably which goes against guilter mantra that Knox is a female Bundy twerp only supported by murder groupie losers as demented as she is.
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KrissyG's memorial to Kercher on TJMK is half filled with attacks and disparaging remarks about PIP. Not even a memorial is free of her hatred.
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It was Stefanoni who carried out the PCR tests. Under Italian law, defence lawyers are legally obliged to witness this testing so they cannot complain later.
Stefanoni's machine readings show very clearly, strong, high RFU peaks for Amanda Knox in 9 out of 16 loci and ten out of sixteen overall. It indicates very clearly Knox touched Meredith's bra clasp at some point. Luckily for Knox nine or ten alleles is not considered 'legal standard' in Italy, although it would have been in the UK/USA. |
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