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12th October 2020, 07:53 AM | #281 |
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12th October 2020, 08:05 AM | #282 |
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Disagree. I think standing with weapons against mob with torches is appropriate, and always was. Trump may share this opinion, or he just uses the situation to gain support. Either way, I doubt anyone would change his mind whether it's ok to burn buildings or not based on what Trump says.
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Absolutely not. He is seen on video deliberately killing another man. Whether he has the privilege of claiming self defense remains to be seen.
For instance, he does not have the privilege of claiming self defense if he provoked the attack, legally or illegally. So even if it was legal for him to transport his weapon to another State...er, I mean find an identical weapon to his own mysteriously appear in his hands in another State...and it was legal for a minor to insert himself into a riot, violating a police order, and if it was legal to declare himself a vigilante and assume law enforcement powers on the aforementioned adjoining State, the Court may still find that waving a rifle around during a riot was legally provoking the altercation, and Captain Kyle cannot claim self defense. |
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12th October 2020, 11:13 AM | #285 |
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This (From Steven Colbert) reminded me of this thread and gave me a chuckle.
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This is not a given, it depends on the laws in that state.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/crimina...-overview.html "Some states also consider instances where the person claiming self-defense provoked the attack as imperfect self-defense. For example, if a person creates a conflict that becomes violent then unintentionally kills the other party while defending himself, a claim of self-defense might reduce the charges or punishment, but would not excuse the killing entirely." |
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Two issues:
Had Kyle exhausted every means, and did he have reason to believe he was in danger of death or great bodily harm? Both are disputable. For instance, he could have tried 'not firing the rifle" as a means of forestalling use of deadly force. The unarmed Rosenbaum had not threatened him or even thumbed his nose at Kyle. What he did do was appear to disarm an armed provocateur. Yes, still debatable. Did he give notice required in condition b? Maybe Rosenbaum couldn't hear it over the gunfire Kyle was pumping out |
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Meanwhile, in Illinois, the Lake County State’s Attorney’s Office said there is no evidence the rifle was ever physically possessed by Kyle Rittenhouse in Illinois.
An investigation revealed the gun used in the Kenosha shooting was purchased, stored and used in Wisconsin. So, there's that item off the list. |
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Off the list? That adds to the list. Now we have a mysterious co-conspirator arming out-of-state children in a riot.
Oh this is much worse. But webfusion: are any laws at all in effect under The Purge State you have claimed? Does availability of 911 service still determine whether the people of Wisconsin (and their neighboring child mercenaries) live under the Rule of Law? |
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Having no criminal charges in Illinois should streamline extradition. No good reason not to store Kyle in Wisconsin until his murder trial there.
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The minimum age for possession or control of a firearm is age 12 in Wisconsin.
Rittenhouse didn’t commit first-degree intentional homicide; he didn’t even commit murder at all. He was merely defending himself against a pack of thugs hellbent on beating him, possibly to death. All of the people shot could easily have avoided being shot, simply by not pursuing the retreating rifleman. In the law of self-defense, there is a long-standing concept of disparity of force. Facing multiple attackers who can knock you down and stomp you to death has long been recognized as a disparity of force situation, where the use of a weapon is necessary to preserve your life and/or bodily integrity. Kyle Rittenhouse knew exactly how to use that AR15, and did so, fortunately for him, during this battle for his own life. Impressive, under the circumstances. He handled that weapon perfectly. He should be released and left alone. It was all justifiable self defense. He's just being used as a tool to appease certain people… |
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Only bad thing about Rittenhouse going up the river is that the neo Nazis will try to make him a Martyr for their "cause"...the new Horst Wessel.
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"Glad we don't need a criminal justice system in this country..."
Reducing the Police Dep'ts. within that system is the DEMAND of the entire BLM movement, no? When riots occur, oftentimes the targets are the buildings that contain the key element of criminal justice system -- the law enforcement part. Kenosha being a case in point. Attack on Municipal building |
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Perhaps that is where the millions of $$ in donations for his defense are coming from?
From WIKI: By the period 1929–30, the continual violence in Berlin between the street fighters of the Nazi Party and other extreme right-wing groups, and those of the Communist Party and other parties on the left, had become a virtual civil war the Prussian police were powerless to control. |
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I hope you are right. This will set an important precedent for when we take up arms against the Deplorables.
I welcome the day when I can openly carry a suitable weapon to defend against a 'disparity of force' (whether or not it is 'legal'). We will need this in the coming civil war, which hopefully will come sooner as a result of Kyle's acquittal. Like Kyle, I'm itching to take out some undesirables on the pretense of fearing for my life. |
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These are the same people declaring that the Denver security guard committed unambiguous murder when he shot dead a belligerent man that attacked a journalist with mace.
It was never about self defense, it's about their desire to kill their enemies without legal consequence. |
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They also feel that Kyle is allowed to defend himself, yet his victims are not. The claim that he was retreating, Huber could have felt threatened thinking he was moving back for a better shot. We'll never know how he felt, because he can't defend his actions - like Trayvon Martin.
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Then I have some news for you....
"According to the criminal complaint filed Thursday, Rittenhouse showed “utter disregard for human life,” spurring him to “recklessly cause the death” of Rosenbaum. He also had an “intent to kill” Huber, and later “attempted to cause the death” of Grosskreutz."https://www.businessinsider.com.au/k...20-8?r=US&IR=T At the time this little scumbag murdered Rosenbaum, the protest was peaceful... no violence. Now he might, just might, be able to argue that the later Huber Killing was in self defence, but arguing this defence for the earlier killing when he shot an unarmed Rosenbaum in cold blood, is never going to fly. |
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Ah so the gun just went off and he did not intend to fire at anyone. That is a new and totally different theory. I mean it is always a mix of guns never go off unintentioally, to guns go off all the time for no reason and we can't hold people accountable because their gun went off.
Or you have some crazy idea that shooting people is a fun harmless thing and it was just a crazy accident that shooting someone killed them. It does get rid of the whole self defense arguments people were making, as he never intended to hurt anyone he can not possibly have shot anyone in self defense. |
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