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11th November 2020, 04:07 PM | #121 |
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Arline Kercher Died
A month or so ago I took the 25 minute train journey from my local rural station to East Croydon, then bicycled the 3 miles or so to Croydon Mitcham Road Cemetery to see for myself whether Arline Kercher had died and was buried next to Meredith as the TJMK poster had stated. And call it what you will, the twice daily correct broken sweep hand clock or whatever, that is indeed the case. The obviously recently prepared grave bears a temporary wooden cross marker with death date of 11 June 2020 at age 74. The only thing amiss is her name misspelled "Arlene" which hopefully will be corrected on the permanent stone. And while yes, I have the photo "receipts" on my mobile to bear me out, I don't feel minded to post them feeling it would be exploitative, certainly invasive of the family's privacy. As to why her passing went unnoticed unlike John Kercher, I can only assume it was the more public manner of his sudden death on the street which prompted a police inquiry.
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How could posting a picture of a wooden cross marker be exploitative or invasive of the family's privacy? That does not make sense.
This doesn't make much sense to me either in that, as much as the entire Kercher family has been in the U.K. news since 2007, it's hard to believe at least one of the tabloids would not have learned of Arline Kercher's death and reported it by now. Regardless of the manner of death. |
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All right, as a newbie I lack the privilege of posting urls here. If someone here can provide an email or other contact detail, I’ll send the 2 pics I referred to above.
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12th November 2020, 10:16 AM | #128 |
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I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but I sent an email to Mitcham Rd Cemetery yesterday. This morning I received a reply confirming that Arline Kercher was buried there on June 11 this year. So I was wrong. See? It's not so hard to admit and the world did not come crashing down. I don't know why that is so hard for some people. When my friend called and she was told there was so record of Arline being buried there, perhaps the records on the computer had not been updated yet or perhaps the first name being misspelled caused the error.
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12th November 2020, 10:26 AM | #129 |
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DaveBB, my suspicions were based on past experiences of trolls (sock puppets) who join groups for the express purpose of posting false information then are never seen again. My apologies. Welcome to the group.
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12th November 2020, 10:39 AM | #130 |
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Once again, the difference between the two "sides" in this sometimes inflamed on-line debate is revealed.
I only know of one "side" who's ever admitted to being wrong, and (indeed) taking the lead in proving themselves wrong. With evidence. Why is that so hard for some? Anyway, kudos, StacyHS. |
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12th November 2020, 12:51 PM | #131 |
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DaveBB, thanks for your posts correcting the wrong suspicions on the claim of the death of Arline Kercher.
Stacyhs, thanks for providing additional confirmation. I had wrongfully suspected that the claim of Arline Kercher's death was untrue, because the the claim originated on a site known for misinformation and it was not accompanied by any confirmation. |
12th November 2020, 12:59 PM | #132 |
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The prosecution were allowed as per the links below to commit numerous abuses such as denying access to lawyers, not taping the interrogations, lying to Amanda she had HIV, destroying evidence, feeding false information to the media, suppressing evidence and committing perjury in court. Amanda was convicted of calunnia on the basis of an illegal interrogation. Amanda and Raffaele had to wait a year before trial and the Massei trial lasted a year. The Italian justice system moves at a snails’ pace. Defence requests were turned down. Amanda was charged with calunnia while witnesses who provided false testimony were not charged. Amanda was charged for speaking out against abuse suffered in the interrogation.
In view of the brutal treatment Amanda and Raffaele received under this system, can Vixen explain how exactly does the Italian Justice System bend over for backwards for defendants. If the Italian Justice System is fair, can Vixen explain the problems highlighted in the below link http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Italianjustice.html Police prosecution/misconduct http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contam...bwork-coverup/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredi...ry-corruption/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-...irs-apartment/ https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com/...ele-sollecito/ http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html http://www.internationalskeptics.com...4#post11071314 https://amandaknoxauguriesofinnocenc...om/2014/06/11/ Evidence used against Amanda and Raffaele A knife with the following characteristics The knife was picked at random with no other knives taken from Raffaele’s kitchen or the cottage. Is it credible a knife collected under these circumstances was the murder weapon. The knife didn’t match a bloody imprint on the bed. The knife was too large to have caused the two smaller wounds. There was bruising on the fatal wound which indicated the knife had gone all the way in. The length of the fatal wound was 8 cm whilst the length of the knife was 17 cm which indicated the knife couldn’t have caused the larger wound. The knife didn’t have any blood or human biological material on it. The defence had no objection to the knife being opened while the prosecution didn’t want the knife opened. Luminol Footprints with the following characteristics All footprints were negative for TMB which is highly sensitive and can detect as few as five red blood cells None of the luminol prints contained Meredith’s DNA which should have existed if they had been made in Meredith’s blood. None of the prints were in Meredith’s room None of the prints showed blood visible to the naked eye Two of the prints were shapeless blobs which were impossible to determine who they belonged to A bra clasp with the following characteristics Not collected for six weeks The crime scene had been trashed by the time the clasp was discovered The claps was dirty and damaged by the time it was discovered Stefanoni didn’t want the claps tested and allowed it to rust There were other profiles on the clasp which supported contamination The witness testimony had credibility http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredi...mised-witness/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/antonio-curatolo/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/marco-quintavalle/ |
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stacyhs how is your husband?
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12th November 2020, 05:07 PM | #135 |
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Doing all right for now. Pain is better. Having biopsy next week. Thanks for asking.
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I have sent the following email to the Mitcham Rd Cemetery:
I can't make it any larger or it won't post but this is the text: "Thank you for your response. Please be advised that we were informed earlier on the phone by an employee that Arline Kercher was not buried there when she looked it up in the computer burial records last month. This lead to misinformation being posted on our site. This could be due to the misspelling of the first name as “Arlene” in your records." |
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I did always say that a) it was such a specific and detailed account on TJMK that this alone made it unlikely to have been invented; b) low-paid council functionaries sometimes make mistakes (as indeed turns out to have happened here); and c) there's no reason why Arline Kercher's death should/would have made it into UK national media (as indeed it did not). But glad it's sorted out definitively now. And my very best wishes to your husband, Stacy (and to you too, as life can't be so easy for you either at the moment) |
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BTW, where is True Vengeance for Amanda Knox these days? Did they not put enough money in the meter?
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All this talk about Trump sending Knox a donation for her defence and her feeling entitlement to (a) belittle this gesture as meaning nothing and actually harming her case, thanks to Trump's openly racist view of Italians and (b) thinking it appropriate to compare her rightful three-year conviction and one year on remand to being the equivalent of four years of his administration, reminds me that unlike Knox being funded by the US Embassy and Trump, together with myriad patriotic Americans, whilst the parents of the murder victim, Arline and John Kercher, together with sister Stephanie and brothers John and Kyle, had no help from the British government and had to make their own way to the trial. Father John Kercher relates in his book he was so harrowed by the murder he could not bring himself to view Meredith laying in the morgue one last time, her body cut up by an autopsy and the video of it distributed by Sollecito's father to the Italian tv channels, whilst Arlene, the mother, who spoke with her popular, gentle, kind daughter at least twice daily had to face all of this horror. She had to face Knox jeering in the mass media that she wanted to confront Meredith's parents and complained that they had turned her down. These two gentle souls, John and Arline Kercher are now at rest themselves. They never got justice. They never got donations from Trump or patriotic Americans. But justice doesn't lie with us here on earth. Justice belongs to God. We cannot know how this justice will be manifested. However, the ancient Egyptians believed in the after life and that each of our hearts is weighed after death. John, Arline and Meredith were the innocent parties in all of this and I for one, now that they are no longer here physically, realise that the moment for justice has passed with their passing.
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Please point out where I called him a 'liar'. I said I took it with a 'grain of salt' which means "to be skeptical of something". This is the skeptics forum, isn't it? So let's look at why I might be skeptical:
1. An earlier phone call to the cemetery resulted in being told that Arline Kercher was not buried there. 2. Not a single media report was ever found on Arline Kercher's death. 3. Sock puppets/unethical posters with an agenda commonly post false information. 4. The ONLY previous source of this claim was by one person on TJMK which is well known for posting such lies such as the 'mixed blood' nonsense and the "Mignini won his lawsuit against Sollecito who will be issuing a public apology and admitting he lied" fabrication. 5. DaveBB joined ISF Nov 5 in a thread on a subject basically old news for years which has had virtually no new members in ages. No, there was no reason to be skeptical at all, was there? You're right. It wasn't an apology. Why on earth should apologize for believing the employee who said Arline Kercher was not buried at the cemetery? The difference between you and me, Vixen, is that when I'm wrong, I can and will admit it. I could have done what you do when proved wrong: dig my heels in or just disappear and act like it never happened. Sure...and if that is what I had actually done, I'd agree with you. But it's not. I also apologized to DaveBB for being skeptical and welcomed him. Which is more, I suspect, than you would have done had the situation been reversed. Please reflect on how you twist and manipulate the actual actions and words of people in such dishonest ways. |
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If one takes out the vitriol aimed at a random Seattleite, this would actually be a decent post.
Simply take out the unproven rhetoric/claims about things like the US Embassy "funding" Knox, and it's a good post. It's always escaped me why guilters think that the real way to narrate the utter nightmare that the Kercher's have faced, is by including false smears aimed at that random Seattleite. |
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Wow. You believe wholeheartedly the words of a couple of fantasists proven by criminal courts to be prolific liars yet you call a decent upstanding citizen who took the trouble to inform us, when he didn't have to, a liar.
Neither of the senior Kerchers lived to what we think of today as a ripe old age but at least they were spared the indignity of seeing their daughter's killer leave prison in 3 years time with his smug cat-ate-the-canary manner telling the media about his rudely interrupted hot date with Meredith and dammit, where's a condom when you need it. |
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At least Meredith Kercher's parents lived long enough to see the correct - and almost certainly the sole - culprit convicted and incarcerated. It's just such a crying shame that they got fed lies and misrepresentations by the police, the prosecution, their own lawyer, and the utterly ineffectual (and hopelessly compromised/conflicted) court of first instance - lies and misrepresentations which demonstrably created huge congnitive dissonance for the Kercher family from 2011 onwards. |
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Speaking of how things are twisted and completely misrepresented in dishonest ways by you, let's take a look at these quotes from your post above:
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2. Trump made one donation...or so he claims. He never provided any proof nor did he ever say how much this alleged donation was. He is pathological liar. For example, he claimed he donated $10,000 to the 9/11 Fund. He never did. Trump is infamous for promising to make donations that he never follows through with. 3. How do you know that the Kerchers did not receive donations from 'patriotic' Britons or others who wanted to help defray costs? Besides, the cost from the UK to Italy (less than $300 RT average) on Ryan Air, Gatwick to Perugia) is substantially less than from Seattle to Italy. Nor did the Kerchers have to pay for experts or lawyers as did the Knox/Mellas and Sollecito families. Italy paid for those.
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As you know, Arline Kercher did not consider Knox innocent. She is quoted as saying that her daughter Meredith was killed because she was everything that Knox was not. She also said of the conviction:
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Amanda Knox did demand to confront Meredith's parents. Given both John and Arline considered her responsible for her death this strikes me as ill-mannered and ill-considered.
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Guede hasn't demanded the parents accompany him to Meredith's grave. Unilke Knox and Sollecito he has expressed remorse and apologised. OK to a parent of a murder victim, that maybe worth zippo but at least he has not harassed them.
Arline Kercher AIUI was born in Lahore, Pakistan. Do you believe her life mattered? Or do you agree with Trump that only German lives matter (40% of Americans like himself and Knox being of German descent). So of course Knox gets the financial support but not the victim's parents. As Arline Kercher believed Knox was responsible for her daughter's death and you have expressed your dismissive opinion of her belief, can I ask why you went to visit her grave, given your lack of respect for her? |
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This defence of Guede is simply obscene. Further, as per usual, you can produce no evidence at all of this "demand
Once again you force yourself into people's thoughts, further victimizing the original victims to all this. All in the name of smearing people who've been acquitted. |
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This whole thing has been an object lesson on what constitutes a reliable source.
Reliable sources don't just make claims. Reliable sources prove things. Indeed, the only reliable source on this one has been Stacyhs. So reliable, in fact, that when the evidence went against her claims about what DaveSS had posted, she immediately 'fessed up.... even providing the thread with the actual evidence which disproved her original stuff. Unreliable sources can turn out to be offering facts. But that's not what makes them worth listening to. |
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