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Old 13th November 2018, 10:06 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Yup, he's the man!

Deep Impact: Excavating comet Tempel 1

DEEP IMPACT: THE FIRST SECOND

Comets: looking ahead

Yeah, nah M.A'Hearn knew the difference between dust and rock.

MAINSTREAMS understanding of what comets are made of is (slowly) evolving towards MOSTLY rock.

Hydrated ROCK at that!
Nope, no rock. Show me the detections. Otherwise, ST...........
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Old 13th November 2018, 10:13 PM   #202
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For anybody with an IQ less than that of a badger, where did the ice come from in the DI impact? Proper science, please. No word salad. While they are at it - in roughly what year was Earth orbiting Saturn, and at what distance from the Sun? Did this coincide with the period when giant electric thunderbolts blasted comets off of planets? Lol. Religionists, what can you do with them?
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Old 13th November 2018, 10:20 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
No, Mike A'Hearn authored and co-authored more papers on comets than you can shake a stick at. From memory, he was the PI of the Deep Impact mission. The one that completely shattered this EC woo, remember? Here is one of his papers from that mission;

Deep Impact: Excavating Comet Tempel 1
A'Hearn, M. F. et al
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...13c0000000.pdf

Do you know what Rosetta said jd116?

"Rosetta has said comets are much different than expected" Matt Taylor

Reckon Matt would know the difference between rock and a mixture of mostly ice and some dust.

Since we already know comets are the leftovers from the formation of the solar system. The frozen dirtysnowballs that we KNOW are comets...
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Old 13th November 2018, 10:23 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
For anybody with an IQ less than that of a badger, where did the ice come from in the DI impact? Proper science, please. No word salad. While they are at it - in roughly what year was Earth orbiting Saturn, and at what distance from the Sun? Did this coincide with the period when giant electric thunderbolts blasted comets off of planets? Lol. Religionists, what can you do with them?
Been here 'ol mate

Hydrated ROCK releasing H20 that Spontaneous formation of non-spherical water ice grains in a plasma environment 10.1002/2013GL058268

Yawn

Your running pretty low on ammo not champ!
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Old 13th November 2018, 10:27 PM   #205
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Been here 'ol mate

Hydrated ROCK releasing H20 that Spontaneous formation of non-spherical water ice grains in a plasma environment 10.1002/2013GL058268

Yawn

Your running pretty low on ammo not champ!
Complete crap. How are you getting water from hydrated minerals, you fraud? Where was the ice coming from at Hartley 2?
Give up, your scientific ignorance knows no bounds, and I'm getting sick of the lying, you religionist loon.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Nope, no rock. Show me the detections. Otherwise, ST...........

Not real rock ya goose!

What was the ice to dust ratio again...
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Do you know what Rosetta said jd116?

"Rosetta has said comets are much different than expected" Matt Taylor

Reckon Matt would know the difference between rock and a mixture of mostly ice and some dust.

Since we already know comets are the leftovers from the formation of the solar system. The frozen dirtysnowballs that we KNOW are comets...
Want me to email Matt Taylor, you lying fraud? Yes or no? Now go away and pollute somewhere else, you delusional clown. Try Dunderdolts. More in line with your lack of knowledge of all things scientific, I would have thought. Leave your religion off of these pages.
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Not real rock ya goose!

What was the ice to dust ratio again...
What did the idiot Thornhill say? Want me to quote it again, liar? Where is this dust coming from, huh?
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Complete crap. How are you getting water from hydrated minerals, you fraud? Where was the ice coming from at Hartley 2?
Give up, your scientific ignorance knows no bounds, and I'm getting sick of the lying, you religionist loon.
Are you saying can not happen? Why?

Spontaneous formation of nonspherical water ice grains in a plasma environment

Was a there dusty (Complex) plasma's found at 67P? yes/no

Are there electric fields at play at 67P? yes/no

Give it a real fair dinkum go sport!
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Are you saying can not happen? Why?

Spontaneous formation of nonspherical water ice grains in a plasma environment

Was a there dusty (Complex) plasma's found at 67P? yes/no

Are there electric fields at play at 67P? yes/no

Give it a real fair dinkum go sport!
Quit with the crap, liar. I asked for a scientific explanation, not word salad. Where are metre sized chunks of ice coming from at Hartley 2? How are you getting them at Tempel 1? Science, or STFU. Yes? Forget your dumb religion.
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What did the idiot Thornhill say? Want me to quote it again, liar? Where is this dust coming from, huh?
Obviously the whole comet is made of dust with some ice!

Except scientist understanding is now evolving toward mostly ROCK.!

Such an unfortunate turn of phrase from A'Hearn.
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Quit with the crap, liar. I asked for a scientific explanation, not word salad. Where are metre sized chunks of ice coming from at Hartley 2? How are you getting them at Tempel 1? Science, or STFU. Yes? Forget your dumb religion.
So you cant or wont answer two very simple questions?
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
fake news, electric fields do not exist in space
Electric fields do not exist in space

You heard it here first from the SUPER DUPER SPACE PLASMA PHYSICIST




Do not open Pandora's box tusenfem.






The root of a comet tail – Rosetta ion observations at comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko
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Obviously the whole comet is made of dust with some ice!

Except scientist understanding is now evolving toward mostly ROCK.!

Such an unfortunate turn of phrase from A'Hearn.
Want me to email any of A'Hearn's colleagues, you liar? Yes or no? Now go away, and quit with the uneducated, religionist garbage. Not a cretin on the planet believes your idiotic woo. Nothing with an IQ above that of a badger, yes?
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So you cant or wont answer two very simple questions?
I don't need to. Nobody has ever suggested that ice can be created in such a way. Other than scientifically illiterate cretins.
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Not real rock ya goose!
So what are the planets made of that the idiot Thornhill says the comets were blasted off of? Huh? Ice and frigging dust? Where did the idiotic loon explain this?
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And again;

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Where are metre sized chunks of ice coming from at Hartley 2? How are you getting them at Tempel 1? Science, or STFU.
And again and again, until we get an answer.
Why are asteroids not turning into comets? Again and again, until we get an answer.

Come on, let's hear it. Sick of this uneducated garbage. Come on woo boy, explain.
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I don't need to. Nobody has ever suggested that ice can be created in such a way. Other than scientifically illiterate cretins.
Kil-Byoung Chai and Paul M. Bellan

Sorry mob, jonesdave116 does not have a very high opinion of you.


oh a see the problem, the paper did not say COMET in it, so...jd thinks has no idea!
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
I don't need to. Nobody has ever suggested that ice can be created in such a way. Other than scientifically illiterate cretins.
That your best shot cob?
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Why are asteroids not turning into comets?
Come on, I'm waiting. Quick. Get to it. EXPLAIN.
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Come on, I'm waiting. Quick. Get to it. EXPLAIN.
But they do!

Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system

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4. Conclusion In summary, the population of small bodies in our solar system today, including both minor planets and classical comets, is far less well-delineated into distinct groups of objects than the classical paradigm might have led one to believe in the past. These objects instead appear to occupy a continuum spanning the full range of observational, physical and dynamical properties classically attributed solely either to asteroids or comets. We now know of currently actively sublimating main-belt objects that could have originated either in the asteroid belt or in the outer solar system, and objects displaying comet-like activity that may have no volatile ice content whatsoever. We have found objects composed of inner-asteroid-belt-like material on long-period comet-like orbits, and active objects on comet-like orbits that may in fact originate from the asteroid belt. We also now recognize that dormant comets may be found in both comet-like and un-comet-like orbits. The population of continuum objects is extraordinarily diverse, with each type of object holding the potential for revealing exciting new insights about our solar system due to their unique sets of overlapping comet- and asteroid-like properties. Given this complexity and the growing interest in addressing the many questions that it has raised thus far, it is likely that many more interesting findings await us in this rapidly developing field in the coming years.

So there continuum objects now champ!
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Kil-Byoung Chai and Paul M. Bellan

Sorry mob, jonesdave116 does not have a very high opinion of you.


oh a see the problem, the paper did not say COMET in it, so...jd thinks has no idea!
They injected water into the frigging chamber, you idiot.
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But they do!
No, they do not, you liar.
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Yawn, tiresome jd116.

Next, please.
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No, they do not, you liar.
Oh buttercup,
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You champ crusader of the dead thoery of dirtysnowball, explain that!

Good luck....
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So what are the planets made of that the idiot Thornhill says the comets were blasted off of? Huh? Ice and frigging dust? Where did the idiotic loon explain this?
Come on, I'm waiting. EXPLAIN.
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Yawn, tiresome jd116.

Next, please.
Then quit with the religionist lying. Simple.
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You champ crusader of the dead thoery of dirtysnowball, explain that!
Learn to spell theory, and I might take it seriously. Answer indagator's questions. NOW.
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They injected water into the frigging chamber, you idiot.
Forgotten this already? This is what happens when you tell so many lies that you can't keep up.
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Now, where were these discharges? Hmmmm? Mag data, please. Where was the rock? Instrumental data please. Silence, yes?
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Do you mean 'they're'? Learn to spell, then learn science, yes?

Answer indagator's questions. Now. Why are asteroids not turning into comets? Same conditions, and only a handful exhibit cometary behaviour. Why?
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Want me to email Matt Taylor, you lying fraud? Yes or no?
And? Still waiting.......
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Old 13th November 2018, 11:15 PM   #234
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Where are metre sized chunks of ice coming from at Hartley 2? How are you getting them at Tempel 1? Science, or STFU.
Come on. We do not have all day. Show us the science. Where is it?
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Want me to email any of A'Hearn's colleagues, you liar? Yes or no?
Again - very simple question. Why the silence? Yes or no?
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Old 13th November 2018, 11:23 PM   #236
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Time to get back to basics, after all of Sol's gish-galloping and avoidance. Let us remind ourselves of the core claims of the neo-Velikovskian, scientifically impossible woo that is the 'electric comet'.



Pure Velikovskian woo. Easily dismissed, as cometary surfaces are not at all like those of any rocky planet. Not to mention the impossibility of these 'electrical interactions'.



So, why don't asteroids on elliptical orbits show cametary behaviour? And why are their measured densities much greater than comets?



What weak electric field is this? Where has it been measured? Why would it be there?



What 'electrical stresses'? And the only glowing going on is mostly due to sunlight reflected from dust.



Oh dear, EDM (lol). Scientifically impossible nonsense. No discharges detected by the magnetometer. Pure woo.



See above.



Which is an outright lie. This was written in 2006, at which time dozens of comets had had H2O definitively detected at them. This goes back to the Kuiper Airborne Observatory observations of Halley in 1985, and Vega's subsequent detections in-situ in 1986.



Which is rendered moot by the previous. However, no negative O ions are observed, and there are nowhere near enough H+ ions to create even 1 litre of water. And the solar wind is travelling too quickly to combine with the non-existent O-. And the solar wind is getting nowhere near the comet when it is most active. Pretty dumb stuff.

http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

So, it would appear that this electric comet woo is not only dead, but was never actually alive, due to its scientific impossibility. It can only have been dreamed up by people who are completely clueless about physics in general, and comets in particular. Possibly two thirteen year olds after a glue sniffing session? Certainly not by intelligent adults.
Still waiting...........................
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Classic jd116!

You are an adult?

Completely ignores Henry H. Hsieh paper grabs his bat and ball and goes home to Mumsie.
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Classic jd116!

You are an adult?

Completely ignores Henry H. Hsieh paper grabs his bat and ball and goes home to Mumsie.
What, woo boy? I am the only one presenting science here. When are you going to answer the list of questions I asked above? Still waiting..........
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Completely ignores Henry H. Hsieh paper grabs his bat and ball and goes home to Mumsie
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What has that paper got to do with anything? Thornhill specifically tells us that comets are asteroids on elliptical orbits. What are the orbits of the very few asteroids with comet like behaviour? What about indagator's questions? What about all the asteroids with comet like orbits that are not comets? Why the refusal to answer? What planet was 67P blasted off of? Where is the water coming from? And the carbon dioxide? Where are the discharges? Where is the rock? Come on, answer the questions.
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Want me to email any of A'Hearn's colleagues, you liar? Yes or no?
Come on. Still waiting..................
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