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Old 16th November 2018, 11:16 PM   #321
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Well, I feel like we've made some progress in the last couple of post!

tusenfems help on confirming comet plasma processes maybe circuit theory-ish along with electric fields, violation of quasi-neutrality is

and me 'ol mate jd116 over here now says A'Hearne really meant refractory dust not rock even though jd116 goes on to explain that get enough of it together heat it and voila ROCK.

So me thinks to me self, the STARDUST mission bought back cometary samples that indeed showed this very fact.

Coupled with the fact that the CONSOLIDATED terrain displays scarps, fractures, over hangs, boulders, rocks.

You are still prepared to stand toe to toe and argue if the comet is real rock or "comet rock"?

Although it is evolving toward mainly rock.

Now, as for your challenge
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Asteroids are rock. They don't behave like comets. Why not?
hows 'bout we work on a mutual problem?

Oumuamua.


The way i read it because the mainstream REFUSE to entertain the notion that any sort of EM effects are excluded they're willing to entertain it may be extraterrestrial in nature?

What do you think jd116, asteroid? (then why the
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These very careful observations showed that 'Oumuamua accelerated as it left the solar system, revealing the existence of "non-gravitational forces". This means that the trajectory of the object could not be explained just by the gravity of the sun and other major objects in our solar system.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-eviden...space.html#jCp
or a comet because of this same effect but wheres the ice?

or

its an alien spaceship because what else could it be?
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You are still prepared to stand toe to toe and argue if the comet is real rock or "comet rock"?

Although it is evolving toward mainly rock.
Nope, rock has never been detected at a comet. Show the detection if you think otherwise. No rock, no discharges. EC is dead.
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Old 17th November 2018, 12:52 AM   #323
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or a comet because of this same effect but wheres the ice?

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its an alien spaceship because what else could it be?
Not interested. Answer indagator's question. Stop avoiding it. Why are a shed load of rocky asteroids behaving as asteroids and not comets? For the squillionth time.
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even though jd116 goes on to explain that get enough of it together heat it and voila ROCK.
And if you heat sand you get glass. So what? Is your local beach a white glass beach, or a black glass beach? Or do you call it sand?
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Old 17th November 2018, 05:50 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Trollin trollin trollin Sol just keeps on trollin
And why shouldn’t he?

Look at how much attention he gets ... for a few minutes’ typing on his keyboard, he gets long, sometimes detailed and well-researched, responses!

To be clear, there is ~zero scientific content in his posts, and there seems no intent to ever post any; trolling is an apt description.
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Old 17th November 2018, 07:28 PM   #326
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And if you heat sand you get glass. So what? Is your local beach a white glass beach, or a black glass beach? Or do you call it sand?
Can we call the rock
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This constraint confirms that comets can be defined as “mineral organices” (Fulle et al. 2016b), i.e. a mixture of minerals and organics with a minor mass fraction of ices mixed among them, and provides a disentangling test for all models describing the (probably common) origin of comets and KBOs.
The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets

Minor mass fraction from ice

So A’Hearn was on the money, mainstreams understanding of what comets are made from is evolving toward mainly rock or mineral organices!
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Originally Posted by JeanTate View Post
And why shouldn’t he?

Look at how much attention he gets ... for a few minutes’ typing on his keyboard, he gets long, sometimes detailed and well-researched, responses!

To be clear, there is ~zero scientific content in his posts, and there seems no intent to ever post any; trolling is an apt description.
Oi, jt.

What are comets made of?



Trolling trolling trolling rawhide!

This is mainstream science “catching up” to the ELECTRIC COMET!
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Not interested. Answer indagator's question. Stop avoiding it. Why are a shed load of rocky asteroids behaving as asteroids and not comets? For the squillionth time.
I don’t know and neither does the mainstream!

Though I suspect, at least for “outgassing”, it will be composition related.

More hydrated minerals more “outgassing”.
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And prithee, what shalt the conductivity of "kinetic" plasmas be?

You hopefully do know that there is no such thing as a "kinetic" or a "fluid" plasma. These are two ways of numerically, that is in computer simulations, to deal with the development of plasmas. So it is the "fluid" or "kinetic" approach, the plasma is just plasma.
The EC mob have never numerically modeled the plasma because as you state PLASMA is JUST PLASMA!

Mainstream take the same approach as gravity only mathamajiks and mmmmmmm..... the plasma does not do as the maths says it should!

This argument goes back some 50-60yrs.
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Oh yeah, I am feel very threatened.
I think you probably have an inferiority complex.
Isn't life wonderful?



No, it sounds very circuit theory-ish.
Ic cannot sound like an electric comet, because there is no electric comet model to check it with, so fail there.



What is "electrified dusty plasma" supposed to mean?



If that is what you got from Jesper's paper, one has to say "the confusion works deeply in this one" as it has absolutely, but really absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the nucleus of a comet is a "sublimating ice ball". There is a source term in the simulations and that is that. Jesper makes NO claims at all, about what the nucleus is composed of.

So now the cats out of the bag, are you willing to discuss in what context might circuit theory come into play at comets, or at least 67P?

Or is that getting a bit close?

Your above response will have a bearing on discussing further “electrified dusty plasma” and the “ion” tail and its implication on cometary displays!

For instance could this dusty plasma be able to carry a significant current? We see FAC mention in relation to to comet tail.

Keen?
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So A’Hearn was on the money, mainstreams understanding of what comets are made from is evolving toward mainly rock or mineral organices!
Bore off. There is no rock.
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This is mainstream science “catching up” to the ELECTRIC COMET!
Electric comet is 100% debunked. Fail.
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I don’t know and neither does the mainstream!

Though I suspect, at least for “outgassing”, it will be composition related.

More hydrated minerals more “outgassing”.
Typical crap response. Hydrated minerals do not outgas. Volatiles outgas. Quit with the lying.
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The EC mob have never numerically modeled the plasma because as you state PLASMA is JUST PLASMA!
None of the EC idiots even understand plasma.
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So now the cats out of the bag, are you willing to discuss in what context might circuit theory come into play at comets, or at least 67P?

Or is that getting a bit close?

Your above response will have a bearing on discussing further “electrified dusty plasma” and the “ion” tail and its implication on cometary displays!

For instance could this dusty plasma be able to carry a significant current? We see FAC mention in relation to to comet tail.

Keen?
I think I'll take the word of a plasma astrophysicist over an unqualified Velikovskian loon any day of the week. Remember Sol - you are not a plasma physicist, and understand vanishingly little about the subject. And that goes for the rest of the idiots involved with electric universe non-science.
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Your above response will have a bearing on discussing further “electrified dusty plasma” and the “ion” tail and its implication on cometary displays!
No it won't. There is no such discussion taking place............ Yep, just checked on Google Scholar, and a bunch of conference abstracts. Zilch.
Nothing written on here by ignorant, scientifically illiterate laymen has any bearing whatsoever on real science. Just saying.
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I don’t know and neither does the mainstream!

Though I suspect, at least for “outgassing”, it will be composition related.

More hydrated minerals more “outgassing”.
You "suspect"? Based on a complete lack of knowledge of which particular aspect of astrophysics this time? Why don't you extract your head from your rectum and actually learn some science? Hmmm? Instead of all this unscientific faith-based crap that you adhere to?

Hydrated Minerals on Asteroids: The Astronomical Record
Rivkin, A. S. et al.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...0020046797.pdf

And;

Water in the early solar system: Mid-infrared studies of aqueous alteration on asteroids.
McAdam, M. M. et al.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017DPS....4920811M

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This work investigates the distribution of water in the early Solar System by connecting asteroids to carbonaceous chondrite meteorites using spectroscopy...............The mid-infrared spectral region has been shown to be a tool for estimating the degree of alteration of asteroids and meteorites remotely (McAdam et al., 2015)...............We present the estimated degrees of alteration for 73 main belt asteroids using these results. Hydrated minerals appear to be widespread in the main belt and asteroids have variable degrees of alteration. There does not appear to be any relationship between the estimated degree of alteration and size, albedo or heliocentric distance ....... Furthermore, local heterogeneities of water-ice were likely common since asteroids of all sizes and heliocentric distances may exhibit any degree from anhydrous to highly altered. Additionally, asteroids that have been shown to have water-ice on their surfaces (e.g., Takir and Emery, 2012) appear to have hydrated minerals. This indicates that while these asteroids have water-ice, its presence did not prevent aqueous alteration.
^^^And plenty more where they came from.

So, it would appear that asteroids actually have more hydrated minerals than comets.

Now, go back to indagator's question, and tell us why those asteroids are not comets. After all, the chief morons of EU tell us that comets are just "asteroids on elliptical orbits."
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Two (of many) notable quotes that I have built and sustained my career around ...!

"Mathematics is the key and door to the sciences." --- Galileo Galilei

"Count what is countable, measure what is measurable, and what is not measurable, make measurable." --- Galileo Galilei

FYI - I have been known to change my position on a subject! Not with words, but with NUMBERS! Now, I really do hope those members of the "eu" community that choose to discuss their "ec" and "es" models with me will not disappoint the fine gentleman from Florence, Master Galilei!

Whilst waiting for "20 answers to 20 questions" from Sol88, and anyone else from the "eu" community, I would like to open some holes in a claim made by the "eu brain trust" regarding orbital eccentricity, and the physical mechanism responsible for the charging and discharging of a comet nucleus (my Question #16).

Eccentricity and the electric comet: "It's your model! You fix it!"

Sol88 (or any brave individual from the "eu" community), my understanding, according to "eu" doctrine, is that eccentricity is somehow responsible for building and dissipating charge on the nucleus of a comet. If eccentricity is at all important, please explain the following tabulated discrepancies ....!

Object ID a e i q Q
Astrd: 2001 KD55 3.344 0.6235 9.98 1.26 5.43
Astrd: 2014 LS26 3.364 0.6289 10.86 1.25 5.48
Astrd: 2000 DQ110 3.361 0.6297 58.28 1.25 5.48
Astrd: 2016 RP33 3.334 0.6343 23.04 1.22 5.45
Astrd: 2014 XN40 3.381 0.6349 14.20 1.24 5.53
Astrd: 1986 RA 3.327 0.6358 19.13 1.21 5.44
Comet: 67P/C-G 3.463 0.6414 7.05 1.24 5.69
Astrd: 2014 HW177 3.302 0.6437 13.00 1.18 5.43
Astrd: 1995 QN3 3.300 0.6450 14.79 1.17 5.43
Astrd: 2014 HY196 3.526 0.6561 42.29 1.21 5.84
Astrd: 2016 WX8 3.529 0.6572 13.29 1.21 5.85
Astrd: 2016 LA2 3.565 0.6748 17.43 1.16 5.97
Astrd: 2011 YY28 3.388 0.6765 7.35 1.10 5.68


Columns: a = Semi-major axis (AU), e = Eccentricity, i = Inclination, q = Perihelion (AU), Q = Aphelion (AU). All data extracted from the JPL SBDB. Please note, the tabulated data, above, is a trivial subset of a greater whole.

Sol88? Please explain, in mathematical terms, how eccentricity is physically involved in the charging and discharging of an electric asteroid ... I mean comet? You'll note, I've bracketed a known comet (67P) with 12 randomly selected mainstream asteroids! Help me out here! What "electrical" mechanisms are missing in your eccentricity calculations? Why is only one of 13 objects in this list deemed to be a comet? Why are the 12 mainstream asteroids inert in the same solar e-field as that surrounding 67P?

CONCLUSION: Based on simple observation, eccentricity is NOT involved in the electric comet model!!!

Prove me wrong!!! Present a mathematical model that can predict when a celestial object will become an electric comet!!! This mathematical model must use the 13 data points provided. You may also reference the JPL SBDB and any other sources to gather additional physical parameters and data that may be needed to complete your calculations! Good luck!

Sol88! Can we declare the electric comet dead yet?
Just a reminder of the question (one of many) that Sol deliberately avoids, because he can't answer it.
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Oi, jt.

What are comets made of?



Trolling trolling trolling rawhide!

This is mainstream science “catching up” to the ELECTRIC COMET!
Thanks Sol88, your post can be used to test what I said.

What is the scientific content of your post? I submit that it is zero.

So what is the point of your post? I submit that is to troll, nothing more.
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Just a reminder of the question (one of many) that Sol deliberately avoids, because he can't answer it.
I think this is a misunderstanding of what Sol88 is, these days, about.

He is no longer interested in the Talbott/Thornhill Electric Comet model; instead his ELECTRIC COMET MODEL is both very simple and very much nonsense: comets are ROCK, and Kinetic Plasma Processes are important. He’s somewhat equivocal on where the observed water comes from, and occasionally still thinks comet jets are EDM. But that’s pretty much it.

So most of those questions are irrelevant to his highly idiosyncratic idea.
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You "suspect"? Based on a complete lack of knowledge of which particular aspect of astrophysics this time? Why don't you extract your head from your rectum and actually learn some science? Hmmm? Instead of all this unscientific faith-based crap that you adhere to?

Hydrated Minerals on Asteroids: The Astronomical Record
Rivkin, A. S. et al.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...0020046797.pdf

And;

Water in the early solar system: Mid-infrared studies of aqueous alteration on asteroids.
McAdam, M. M. et al.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017DPS....4920811M



^^^And plenty more where they came from.

So, it would appear that asteroids actually have more hydrated minerals than comets.

Now, go back to indagator's question, and tell us why those asteroids are not comets. After all, the chief morons of EU tell us that comets are just "asteroids on elliptical orbits."

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What's the difference between these asteroids and comets?

If you'd stop doing a song and dance for long enough to realise even you can NOT give a clear definitive answer to what a comet and asteroid are made of.

This is clear from your refusal to debate about Omuamua and I fear refusal to answer why the "asteroids that have been shown to have water-ice on their surfaces" are not comets by standard mainstream 1+1=2 mentality.
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I think this is a misunderstanding of what Sol88 is, these days, about.

He is no longer interested in the Talbott/Thornhill Electric Comet model; instead his ELECTRIC COMET MODEL is both very simple and very much nonsense: comets are ROCK, and Kinetic Plasma Processes are important. He’s somewhat equivocal on where the observed water comes from, and occasionally still thinks comet jets are EDM. But that’s pretty much it.

So most of those questions are irrelevant to his highly idiosyncratic idea.
Just like to add for clarity, the Kinetic Plasma Processes are that are important, are part of a larger circuit.

but, yes they are still ROCK (Hydrated silicates etc), unequivical the estimated "outgassing" is wrong and water from hydrated minerals is more than enough to supply the coma. EDM is turning said hydrated ROCK in to refractory dust and H2O, CO2, CO,......
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Thanks Sol88, your post can be used to test what I said.

What is the scientific content of your post? I submit that it is zero.

So what is the point of your post? I submit that is to troll, nothing more.

Care to join the debate?

from the above couple post, what are comets made of?

Mainly ice or mainly refractory dust?

Bit a homework for you.
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I think I'll take the word of a plasma astrophysicist over an unqualified Velikovskian loon any day of the week. Remember Sol - you are not a plasma physicist, and understand vanishingly little about the subject. And that goes for the rest of the idiots involved with electric universe non-science.
He won't talk to me about the circuit that the comet is.

Howsa 'bout you ask not just the plasma astrophysicist but the word of a SUPER DUPER SPACE PLASMA PHYSICIST!

'dems the good ones
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Just a reminder of the question (one of many) that Sol deliberately avoids, because he can't answer it.
You a slow learner?

Read slowly.

I DO NOT KNOW!

Now, if you'd been following closely, neither do the brightest minds we have, that happen to working on this very same problem. One would have to assume these very smart people would have gone to some flash school with all the trimmings to become an expert in the field and the best we can do is scratch our nuts and say there different objects. Then the other smart cookies say they are a continuum of objects.

what do think jd116, jt?
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What's the difference between these asteroids and comets?
Aaaaannnnddd another refusal to answer the question. According to the idiot Thornhill, comets are just asteroids on elliptical orbits. Indagator supplied a list (certainly not exhaustive) of numerous asteroids, on comet-like elliptical orbits that do not behave as comets. Why are they not behaving as comets? You indicated that it was some idiocy about hydrated minerals. Lol. Leaving aside how the hell you are getting various volatiles out of the minerals, I have shown that many of those asteroids will have more hydrated minerals than comets. So, that cannot be the answer, can it?
So, we have ruled out ellipticity, and we have ruled out hydrated minerals as having anything to do with the outgassing volatiles. We have previously ruled out the solar wind as a contributor, given that it isn't reaching the area where volatiles are detected for many months. We can rule out any electric woo, as that would show up in the mag data.
So, what is left, Sol? It couldn't possibly be the ices revealed by spectroscopy on the surface and, by a dirty great impact, below the surface, could it?

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If you'd stop doing a song and dance for long enough to realise even you can NOT give a clear definitive answer to what a comet and asteroid are made of.
I am not making a song and dance about anything. You are spamming this forum with an idiotic idea which has been well and truly debunked, is unscientific, and has zero evidence to support it. One of the idiots who invented this idiocy claimed that comets are just asteroids on eccentric orbits. I am pointing out that that is just plain wrong. And yes, I can tell you what comets are made of - dust, of which there are two basic types; fluffy (~ 1 kg/m3), and compact (~ 3000 kg/m3). There are also volatiles in the form of various ices. In addition to that, there are organics on the surface. All of this dust and ice is in a very porous mix, with ~ 75% porosity overall. This results in a density of ~ 500 kg/m3.

Asteroids, generally, are rocky bodies, with densities around 2000 - 3000 kg/m3. This implies that they are composed of rock. The sort of rock you might find on a planet or moon. Some of them are rubble piles, some, such as Lutetia, appear to be more compact. With very few exceptions, they do not outgas. Even the ones on highly elliptical orbits. Which may make them extinct comets, as it happens, but I digress. Of the only one whose date we have tested from sample return, they are commensurate in age with the solar system (4.64 Ga, iirc). As, no doubt, are comets.

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This is clear from your refusal to debate about Omuamua and I fear refusal to answer why the "asteroids that have been shown to have water-ice on their surfaces" are not comets by standard mainstream 1+1=2 mentality.
I am not going to get sidetracked by a discussion on an irrelevant extrasolar object, about which we know sod all. There are plenty of asteroids in our own system to observe. This thread is about the electric comet, and the complete lack of evidence for it. And the complete lack of a mechanism that would explain why comets are actually just asteroids, but suddenly light up like the 4th of July when they approach the Sun.
So far, we have no viable explanation for this that matches observation and evidence. Zilch. It is dead. It was never alive. It is the brainchild of two neo-Velikovskian loons, who were possibly drugged up when they wrote it. I can think of no other explanation for grown men to conceive of something so wretchedly unscientific. Hopefully they are getting help. They need it.
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Just like to add for clarity, the Kinetic Plasma Processes are that are important, are part of a larger circuit.

but, yes they are still ROCK (Hydrated silicates etc), unequivical the estimated "outgassing" is wrong and water from hydrated minerals is more than enough to supply the coma. EDM is turning said hydrated ROCK in to refractory dust and H2O, CO2, CO,......
FFS stop being so idiotic. You are not getting hydrated minerals out of bloody dust! And what EDM? That is an idiotic, unscientific fantasy that a) cannot happen, and b) for which there is no evidence either in the mag data or the temperature measurements. It is pure woo. Only an idiot could believe such nonsense.
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He won't talk to me about the circuit that the comet is.
There is no circuit to discuss. End of story.
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I DO NOT KNOW!
Then WTF are you doing here? Thornhill told you that comets are just asteroids on elliptical orbits. He was lying, wasn't he? That was a rhetorical question. So, you disagree with his lie, yes? He hasn't got a scooby, has he? So why believe any of his other lies?
Let me spell this electric comet 'model' out for you. Again!!!!
Comets are just asteroids on elliptical orbits. The reason that they outgas, and asteroids don't, is due to that elliptical orbit, and the speed with which the comet gets out of sorts with its electrical environment, due to the non-existent radial electric field around the Sun. This causes some sort of electric woo, and the jets are the discharges from this woo.
That's about it. However, we have proved, beyond any doubt, that ellipticity plays no part. It also rules out the non-existent radial electric field. That is why Indagator asked the question, and provided the data. To prove that Thornhill and, by extension, you, have no bloody idea what you are talking about. Which, of course, we have long known.
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Now, if you'd been following closely, neither do the brightest minds we have, that happen to working on this very same problem.
No, the only people suggesting that anything should outgas purely due to its orbit being elliptical, are EU idiots. So no mainstream (i.e. real) scientist is going to give it a moments thought, because they bloody well know that comets outgas due to the sublimation of volatiles.
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Thumbs down A threat of another round of his lies and delusions on the validity of MHD at comets

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MHD valid at comets rc?

Up for another round?
A threat of another round of his lies and delusions on the validity of MHD at comets that we have gone through several times.

Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Thumbs down His electric fields lie to detail from his electric comets insanity.

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So to repeate, comets are not rock and electric fields can not exist in space!
His electric fields lie to detail from his electric comets insanity.
An insanely big red lie by quote mining a joke from tusenfem.

Not if only he can avoid lying about comets being ROCK (actual rock). People (except his fellows at the deluded Thunderbolts cult) agree that comets are ices and dust that are labeled as rock.
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Question Give your origin for the ices and dust that you agrees comets are made of

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...That's the bedtime story told by astronomers world wide!
Some "bedtime story" idiocy when he agrees that comets made of ices and dust but:
Sol88: Give your origin for the ices and dust that you agrees comets are made of.

Remember that the Stardust returns samples of comet dust grains, including interstellar dust and grains formed in the early Solar System. Not one grain from a rocky planet!
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Thumbs down More "shock-like structure" paper stupidity to derail from electric comet insanity

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More "shock-like structure" paper stupidity and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The paper is simply that there is a source and sinks of plasma in a computer model of a comet coma + solar wind. That is not the electric comet insanity.

A lie that comet coma extend to the surface of a comet.
A "most definitely NOT sublimating iceballs" lie when comet coma gas and dust comes from ices sublimating.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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The ELECTRIC COMET is a rock in part of a circuit.
The ELECTRIC COMET is still insane dogma spouted by a deluded cult.

Your electric comet is a less insane version of that dogma from the cults, Sol88. After 9 years, you have at last thrown away the insanity of comets being actual rock. That leaves you with a hole:
Sol88: Give your origin for the ices and dust that you agrees comets are made of.
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Well, I feel like we've made some progress in the last couple of post!...
Progress is not you falling back to lying about what other posters have stated , Sol88.
tusenfem has been writing about real plasma physics, not your delusion and lie of of "circuit theory-ish along with electric fields, violation of quasi-neutrality".

jonesdave116 is addressing your persistent insult that A'Hearne was so stupid that he was talking about actual rock when he knew that comets are made of ices and dust.

We know that the STARDUST mission bought back cometary samples that indeed showed this very fact - dust grains formed in the early Solar System (with some surprises) from a comet !

A delusion that comet images have actual rock in them after you have conceded that comets are made of ices and dust .? Or the repeated stupidity of denying that astrologers use geology terms to describe comet features?

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Now, as for your challenge hows 'bout we work on a mutual problem?
A deluded ʻOumuamua "challenge" and "a mutual problem" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.
This is 'Oumuamua. 'Oumuamua was not a comet because it did not have a coma or tail. 'Oumuamua is irrelevant to comets and especially to his electric comet insanity.

This is commentary on coverage of a speculation:
Evidence of aliens? What to make of research and reporting on 'Oumuamua, our visitor from space

A rational person would think about the electric comet insanity and see that it would be stupid to attempt to apply it to anything. The electric comet is a set of insane fantasies with no applicable physics behind it.

Astronomers looked at the possible scenarios for the acceleration outburst of ʻOumuamua and colludes that an outgassing event was the most likely scenario.

Astronomers looked at just the pressure of solar radiation and concluded that did not explain the acceleration for a natural body. They speculated that this as an artificial body.

Astronomers are rational and do not attach ignorant delusions to the properties of electromagnetism.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Old 18th November 2018, 05:17 PM   #358
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Care to join the debate?

from the above couple post, what are comets made of?

Mainly ice or mainly refractory dust?

Bit a homework for you.
Debate? How does trolling become a debate?

This thread is - supposedly - about the Electric Comet Theory.

How about you kick off a debate, by stating - in objective, quantitative terms - what this Electric Comet Theory is?
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URL="https://academic.oup.com/mnras/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/mnras/sty2926/5149509?redirectedFrom=fulltext"]The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets[/url][/b]
Idiocy of a "The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets" paper to derail from his electric comet insanity.

This is an ices and dust comet from the formation of the Solar System paper.

The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets
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We review the complex relationship between the dust-to-gas mass ratio usually estimated in the material lost by comets, and the Refractory-to-Ice mass ratio inside the nucleus, which constrains the origin of comets. Such a relationship is dominated by the mass transfer from the perihelion erosion to fallout over most of the nucleus surface. This makes the Refractory-to-Ice mass ratio inside the nucleus up to ten times larger than the dust-to-gas mass ratio in the lost material, because the lost material is missing most of the refractories which were inside the pristine nucleus before the erosion. We review the Refractory-to-Ice mass ratios available for the comet nuclei visited by space missions, and for the Kuiper Belt Objects with well defined bulk density, finding the 1-σ lower limit of 3. Therefore, comets and KBOs may have less water than CI-chondrites, as predicted by models of comet formation by the gravitational collapse of cm-sized pebbles driven by streaming instabilities in the protoplanetary disc.
Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Just like to add for clarity, the Kinetic Plasma Processes are that are important, are part of a larger circuit.

but, yes they are still ROCK (Hydrated silicates etc), unequivical the estimated "outgassing" is wrong and water from hydrated minerals is more than enough to supply the coma. EDM is turning said hydrated ROCK in to refractory dust and H2O, CO2, CO,......
And, to date, you have presented evidence - quantitative, objective, independently verifiable evidence - in support of our claims, where exactly?

Or is this yet more trolling?
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