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Old 10th December 2018, 07:41 PM   #841
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Cohen and manafort are not process violations. manafort committed a number of financial crimes on purpose. Cohen pled to wilfully violating campaign law.

Process crimes allege criminal conduct related to the investigation, and not the crime itself. These two both committed crime crime.
None of those had anything to do with Russia
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:41 PM   #842
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None of those had anything to do with Russia
Moving the goal posts.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:42 PM   #843
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None of those had anything to do with Russia
Like HELL it didn't.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:43 PM   #844
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Like HELL it didn't.
Illegal payments to former lovers had something to do with Russia?
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:50 PM   #845
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Illegal payments to former lovers had something to do with Russia?
No. But Cohen did a lot more than that. He was working on Trump Tower Moscow until July of 2016 and he was briefing the Trump family. He lied to Congress about this and Trump knew he was lying to Congress about it.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:52 PM   #846
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No. But Cohen did a lot more than that. He was working on Trump Tower Moscow until July of 2016 and he was briefing the Trump family. He lied to Congress about this and Trump knew he was lying to Congress about it.
I didn't mention the meeting and it was my post TBD replied to. So it was confusing when you said it had something to do with Russia.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:53 PM   #847
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The Iraq war resulted from Republican lies. Is that a bad thing now? It's hard to keep up.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:54 PM   #848
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FBI Director Robert Mueller endorsed the Bush administration’s bogus case for war with Iraq. On February 11, 2003, Mueller testified before Congress that, “as Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence last week...”
And the right is clearly attempting to demonize Mueller for his investigation of Donald Trump. How dare he! Note the above (from RT) implies Mueller was willingly complicit in endorsing Bush's "bogus case for war with Iraq," as though Mueller knew at the time it was bogus. That Mueller basically lied to Congress when he cited evidence supplied by Secretary Powell as though Mueller knew at the time the evidence was false.
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Old 10th December 2018, 07:54 PM   #849
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That doesn't sound traitorous at all. Regardless of he reports it or not, he is still representing the same position.
I have no opinion on that.
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:00 PM   #850
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I have no opinion on that.
It is a surprise if anyone does. I don't think most people who follow the manafort case has really taken the time to determine if the act specifically of not reporting as a foreign agent is traitorous even if the underlying message is not.
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:20 PM   #851
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Moving the goal posts.
I have no opinion on that
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:27 PM   #852
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I have no opinion on that
You don't get a vote on your own commission of a discussion fallacy.
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:33 PM   #853
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You don't get a vote on your own commission of a discussion fallacy.
Well that is a switcheroo! Only you are allowed to have an opinion on that?

I have an opinion on that: Wowsers!
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:44 PM   #854
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Well that is a switcheroo! Only you are allowed to have an opinion on that?

I have an opinion on that: Wowsers!
You don't have an opinion so you don't get a vote.
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:44 PM   #855
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What did Mueller, as head of the FBI, have the F to do with what the CIA and Powell concluded concerning Iraq?
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:48 PM   #856
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What did Mueller, as head of the FBI, have the F to do with what the CIA and Powell concluded concerning Iraq?
Please see post 847 and do with it what you will.

In a nutshell, don't take the bait.
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Old 10th December 2018, 08:56 PM   #857
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What did Mueller, as head of the FBI, have the F to do with what the CIA and Powell concluded concerning Iraq?
It's on his Wikipedia page.
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Old 10th December 2018, 09:14 PM   #858
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I see on Twitter today that Leftists are deifying Mueller, to the point that there are actual votive candles!

Yeah, that is one of the guys who got us into the Iraq war.
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Not exactly sure how people are missing this. He has a few process violations, a bunch of completely unenforceable warrants for Russian nationals, and leftists are ready to deify someone who conspired to get us into an entire war.

https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Muelle.../dp/B07CXP6K8B

Maybe Leftists should look at the evidence produced by his investigation, rather than try to credit the man based on actual political bias against Trump? Would that work?

lol, just joshing, they have convicted Trump months ago.

The "leftists" in question, Kitschup Creations, also have votive candles for Ouija boards, Johnny Cash, and Kansas City ... among others.

Aside from establishing how desperate you and your Twitter buddies are to unearth anything you think can be used for ridicule no matter how far-fetched and outlandish, it isn't very clear what you believe you have proven.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I see on Twitter today that Leftists are deifying Mueller, to the point that there are actual votive candles!

Yeah, that is one of the guys who got us into the Iraq war.
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Mueller helped get us into the Iraqi War, which leftists hated, and now all of a sudden they love the guy because they think he's about to "get" Trump.

I'm sorry, is there something in there that you disagree with?

Do tell.

LOOK OVER THERE.... VOTIVE CANDLES.... WOW!!




*** TBD points away from the Russia investigation ***


Whaddabout those votive candles huh!

Hooboy!
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Old 10th December 2018, 11:49 PM   #861
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as Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical, or radiological material.”
He said "Powell presented evidence," which is a true statement.

He said "Our particular concern is that Saddam may supply material for terrorists." Which is also a true statement - there was concern that Saddam might arm terrorists.

There is no lie in there anywhere.

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Old 11th December 2018, 01:27 AM   #862
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As long as she stays away from Cathedral Cities she should be ok.
Lactose intolerant?
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Old 11th December 2018, 02:21 AM   #863
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6&d=1544331018
It's funny how in that picture it makes Trump almost look aggravated that he had to actually lift his leg to step up onto that platform.

That much exercise has probably shortened his life by a good five minutes.
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Old 11th December 2018, 02:37 AM   #864
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(The quote above is from RT dot com, described as the Russian version of PBS.)
Not that it changes your particular quote, but RT is Russian state media. It's the Russian equivalent of Fox, if Fox were actually owned and run by Trump himself.
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Old 11th December 2018, 02:41 AM   #865
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Tell you what, if everybody here agrees not to make or purchase any votive candles connected to Mueller, can we all agree that it's irrelevant to this thread and move back to the subject of this thread?
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Lactose intolerant?

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Old 11th December 2018, 02:52 AM   #867
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James Comey’s behind closed doors testimony reveals that “there was not evidence of Campaign Collusion” with Russia when he left the FBI. In other words, the Witch Hunt is illegal and should never have been started!

“Former FBI Director James Comey under fire for his testimony acknowledging he knew that the Democrats paid for that phony Trump Dossier.” @LouDobbs Details on Tuesday night.
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Old 11th December 2018, 02:54 AM   #868
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It's like he thinks he can wish-tweet himself out of trouble.
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Old 11th December 2018, 03:04 AM   #869
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That much exercise has probably shortened his life by a good five minutes.
Oh, can we get him a StairMaster for Christmas??
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Tell you what, if everybody here agrees not to make or purchase any votive candles connected to Mueller, can we all agree that it's irrelevant to this thread and move back to the subject of this thread?
no promises.
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Old 11th December 2018, 04:34 AM   #871
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Tell you what, if everybody here agrees not to make or purchase any votive candles connected to Mueller, can we all agree that it's irrelevant to this thread and move back to the subject of this thread?
How about incense? Is incense okay?
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Old 11th December 2018, 05:21 AM   #872
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...essing/577837/

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“It is a big deal that prosecutors concluded that Trump directed Cohen to commit crimes. The one note of caution is that if prosecutors wanted to charge Trump—and we can’t draw any conclusions from this sentencing memo about whether they will—they would also likely have to show that he knew what the laws were, and willfully violated them anyway,” said Brendan Fischer of the Campaign Legal Center. “Demonstrating Trump’s knowledge of anything could be a challenge.”
So true.
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Old 11th December 2018, 06:00 AM   #873
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Worth noting WRT Butina: The FBI have an email from Paul Erickson in which he wrote "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I’ve been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization]"

That's not good for Erickson, Trump, or the NRA.
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Tell you what, if everybody here agrees not to make or purchase any votive candles connected to Mueller, can we all agree that it's irrelevant to this thread and move back to the subject of this thread?
the leftists belated love affair with Mueller and premature ejaculations of guilt are quite relevant to this thread
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the leftists belated love affair with Mueller and premature ejaculations of guilt are quite relevant to this thread
I think the left has done a good job separating their feelings about federal law enforcement in regards to drug crime and lack of enforcement of white collar crime, with the feeling that Mueller is pursuing white collar crime as it should be investigated.
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Oh, well then: https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Trump-.../dp/B07B1HR1S2
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Come on, Squeegee. It could be any gun rights organisation!
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the leftists belated love affair with Mueller and premature ejaculations of guilt are quite relevant to this thread
What's interesting is how you phrased all that.

I guess the glee you felt in Novembre 2016 is gone now, eh?
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It's like he thinks he can wish-tweet himself out of trouble.
As Rex Tillerson (of all people!) recently observed, those Tweets are for Trump's followers. For the ones that, sad to say, get most of their information, and form their beliefs, pretty much based on the Tweets.

Sad!
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As Rex Tillerson (of all people!) recently observed, those Tweets are for Trump's followers. For the ones that, sad to say, get most of their information, and form their beliefs, pretty much based on the Tweets.

Sad!
Very. One's informed when they get their stuff from more than one book.
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