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29th June 2022, 02:58 AM | #1 |
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Trump freaking out when his last, best chance to stay President was snatched away from him, when his underlings refuse to obey his orders?
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29th June 2022, 04:06 AM | #2 |
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29th June 2022, 04:32 AM | #3 |
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The original plan, was to have a Riot in Washington between Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, VS BLM, Antifa, but BLM listened to reason and didn't show, that ClusterFed Trump's plans, and that's clear from the fact that his people didn't tip off the FBI days ahead of the 6th!
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29th June 2022, 05:28 AM | #6 |
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29th June 2022, 05:54 AM | #7 |
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Thanks much!
I was thinking about the same thing myself. For example, does anyone else recall the skits involving 'Toonces. The cat who can drive a car (just not very well)'? Just think of the comedy involving Toonces driving around a freaked-out Trump around in the Presidential limousine during the January 6 insurrection. |
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29th June 2022, 07:41 AM | #11 |
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But, did the commission know about Hutchinson's comments re: the antics she was told about happened in the vehicle beforehand in order to ask the SS questions about it? I don't care about Trump's backseat driving behaviour or that he assaulted a wall with his lunch plate. He's not going to be prosecuted for that. I want to hear from anybody else that was involved in or within earshot to the conversation re: weapons being toted to the Capitol and being ok'd by Trump. Hutchinson seems to have a good memory. Maybe she can suggest some names of others who were also present at that and perhaps they can be subpoenaed or be willing to testify as to such. |
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29th June 2022, 07:44 AM | #12 |
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It's not clear if the vehicle was moving yet. Was just grabbing the wheel to try to prevent them from getting going?
I could see that, the sort of arrogant boss thing: Grab the wheel. "We'll move when I say we'll move!" Although that might be unusual. I have the impression is that when the President is in a vehicle, it moves. In most videos I have seen, the door opens almost as soon as the car stops and the President hops out. When the President gets in, the vehicle is moving almost as soon as the door is shut. |
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But only if it ends the way that all Toonces skits did, with Toonces driving off a cliff.
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29th June 2022, 10:12 AM | #16 |
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Not necessarily. She has testified about what she personally experienced and observed, and also about what others told her. If somebody told her something that turned out to be untrue, her account of the conversation could still be correct. And I think if the SS testify, they're going to be doing some fine parsing: "He may have gestured toward the front of the vehicle to indicate which way he wanted to go, but I don't recall him touching the wheel." "Yes, he did put his hand on my chest, but I thought he was just straightening my tie." Etc.
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29th June 2022, 10:28 AM | #17 |
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Can the SS be trusted though?
They knew people were armed and just let them march to the Capitol, they didn't inform the Capitol Police, FBI, Homeland Security or the DC Police. They didn’t take Trump away to a secure location, they knew there was no threat to him. Pence refused to get in their car, he knew part of the SS was in on it and didn't trust them. It looks like the SS picked a side that day and Pence was on the wrong one. Biden replaced some assigned to him with the guys from his old SS detail that he knew he could trust. |
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I have a different understanding from reading his bio. He is currently the Assistant Director of the United States Secret Service Office of Training. The bio goes on to say that he had recently been “detailed” to the White House as an Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations.
Doesn’t sound to me like his SS employment had ever terminated but regardless, I want to hear what he or any SS agent has said already or what they are about to say. I have serious doubts that any SS agent is going to spill the beans on a President’s inappropriate behaviour if they desire for their position to last longer than a presidential term. |
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29th June 2022, 11:32 AM | #20 |
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Since Clinton, SS agents do have to testify about a President’s inappropriate behaviour, if called upon.
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29th June 2022, 01:06 PM | #23 |
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As powerful and damning as Hutchinson's testimony was, much of it was hearsay and it would be relatively harmless in a criminal case. That concerns me, they really need someone like Cipollone to come to the plate.
For example (one of many) CNN and other MM outlets are headlining things like "Trump said Mike Pence deserved to be hung!" Very outrageous and incriminating, if it were true. Of course, it is patently false. Hutchinson testified that Cippolone said "He thinks Mike deserves it" Not only is this classic hearsay (inadmissible evidence) but it is not even Trump saying "Pence deserves to be hung" it is simply Cipollone's *interpretation* of what Trump *thinks* Not at all what was reported by CNN and others. Useless evidence. And a lot of the other testimony was hearsay too, that was just the best example of it. They need a Meadows or Eastman or someone closer to turn. |
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29th June 2022, 01:59 PM | #25 |
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Sounds more likely to me. I don't think it was implied Drumpf planned to steer from the back seat. He was having a little tantrum because he had no way to get his way. It reminds me of a kid saying they were going to hold their breath until they die if they don't get their way.
Also if it hasn't been posted already: It was the Suburban SUV not the "Beast" limo. |
29th June 2022, 02:03 PM | #26 |
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Some testimony may be discounted but we don't know if it was corroborated. But a lot of the testimony if countered then becomes he said/she said and she was bigly credible, probably the most credible ever in history.
eta: In all the reports I've read about the SS denying the tantrum in the vehicle, it's all hearsay. I didn't see anything that purported to be the SS person talking to the media. Oh the irony! |
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29th June 2022, 02:49 PM | #29 |
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The Right are just using the limo thing as a distraction, as we all know. Seriously...this is what they are going to defend after that testimony? Let them. It isn't worth discussing.
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I do wish people would stop using "hung" when they mean "hanged". A picture is/was hung on a wall but a person is/was hanged. It's really not that difficult.
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29th June 2022, 03:07 PM | #33 |
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It's not like the limo thing refutes that the Trump administration didn't do everything in its power to overthrow an election. It's not that Trump not only encouraged the rioters to go to the Capitol to "stop the steal" and fight. It's not that Trump for hours and hours did nothing to discourage the rioters.
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29th June 2022, 03:32 PM | #35 |
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Well...it's not like this wasn't predicted:
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29th June 2022, 03:38 PM | #36 |
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That is now being reported as why the latest public hearing was held as opposed to Hutchinson being threatened. The threats have still happened.
The threats were stated as Hutchinson being told they knew she would do the right thing with the implication being the right thing was to lie for Drumpf. |
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The attempts of the Trumpistas to attack Hutchinson have been pretty lame so far.
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Not quite right. A person testifying to what someone told them is not always hearsay.
"Trump said Mike Pence deserved to be hung!" This IS hearsay if an attempt was made to use this is evidence against The Fat Orange Turd, but it is NOT hearsay if it were to be used against Mark Meadows. There are also other hearsay exceptions in Section 803 of the Federal Rules of Evidence that may apply to some of what Ms Hutchinson said Present Sense Impression. |
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