The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Now lets take the snippet

Well one of those comets was

So, A'Hearn already had a pretty good idea. Hence is statement "Comets are mostly rocky".

And you bang o about what type of rock... who cares it bloody rocky rock made of rock surrounded by rock in the obvious and ubiquitous layers of ROCK.

What more would you like more, brain cells!

Liar. No rock ever detected at a comet. Quit lying you clown. A'Hearn authored papers after the quote you keep lying about, specifically detailing observations that it is not rock. Quit lying.
Now, do you agree to stop posting here when it is confirmed that they are not talking about rock. Yes or no?

[jonesdave116]

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smectite clay; iron-containing compounds; carbonates, the minerals in seashells; crystallized silicates, such as the green olivine minerals found on beaches and in the gemstone peridot; and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons,

None of which were in the form of rock. Try to understand the difference between dust, grains and rocks. It isn't rocket science. And this was the same impact which ejected thousands of tonnes of ice. And left a hole waaaaay too big to have been made in rock. Inconvenient, but true. Tempel 1 killed your woo, for those that couldn't see that it was already dead in 1986.

[jonesdave116]

Here is Hartley 2 ejecting non-rock from carbon dioxide jets, before Rosetta ever got to 67P;



Wonder what it was? Chalk? Marble? A disaster for the interplanetary arm of the Medellin cartel? Lol.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

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Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

This post: Insanely repeats one of Most of the recent insanity from Sol88
Next post: Insane lies about posts and posters.
jonesdave116 cited Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs (2018) and Sol88 rants about a different paper on a different topic thus showing he is completely insane.
Added to Most of the recent insanity from Sol88
Next post: Insanely repeats one of Most of the recent insanity from Sol88
Next posts: Some insanely idiotic comments.
His usual insane delusion that any astronomer would think that comets are actual rock when they know physical facts abut comets. If jonesdave116 did email them, their reply might be to ask what kind of deluded crank world believe that!
However this is Sol88 deranged trolling. He has ignored all of the science given to him in this thread for over 11 years. That includes the science from a plasma physicist studying comets ! That includes at least 1 email from an astronomer. He will ignored any emails from astronomer or go on lying, insane rants about them. This is a demented troll trying to waste everyone's time.
Next post: Sol88 makes himself into a pathological liar by insialey highlighting "clear rocky-type behavior" yet again (see Most of the recent insanity from Sol88 )
Next post: Insane lying by quote mining to a "snippet".
His Tempel 1 insiatiy and The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's demented dogma, etc.

[Sol88]

Oh dear sorry jonesy

Ceres and Vesta mineralogy determined by VIR on Dawn

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Clearly, Ceres experienced extensive water-related processes and chemical differentiation. The surface is mainly composed of a dark and spectrally neutral component(carbon, magnetite), Mg-phyllosilicates, ammoniated clays, carbonates and salts. The observed species suggest endogenous, global-scale aqueous alteration[7].

Mmmm... sounds familiar

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Though the post-impact spectrum is still being analyzed, it shows that Tempel 1's ejecta contain the following chemicals: smectite clay; iron-containing compounds; carbonates, the minerals in seashells; crystallized silicates, such as the green olivine minerals found on beaches and in the gemstone peridot; and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are carbon-containing compounds found in car exhaust and on burnt toast.

Ummm but tahts a comet, is it not?

and both have OH/H2O!

Oh look and Ceres!

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We can expect that Ceres is rich in ices and similar to icy satellites of the outer planets

or comets in the mainstream model of dirtysnowballs!

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Vesta and Ceres are the link between the rocky terrestria lplanets and the icy bodies of the outer solar system

like comets!

Now which has more water again jonesdave116 comets or asteroids!

or which are rockier?

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Here is Hartley 2 ejecting non-rock from carbon dioxide jets, before Rosetta ever got to 67P;

https://science.nasa.gov/science-red...?itok=4EtOeLCN

Wonder what it was? Chalk? Marble? A disaster for the interplanetary arm of the Medellin cartel? Lol.

Like Vest and Ceres?

Bright shiny things seem to get all the attention when you believed comets were mostly ICE!

It's shiny = ice!

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by Sol88

thiI'm think standard definition for consolidated

As opposed to highly porous, as if in the standard definition

Ofcourse Sol88's lack of scientific background is blatantly showing again in this pointless discussion.

Just to give an example, there is such a thing as "consolidated porous material", the one does not exclude the other.

This is the first paper that I found by simply duckduckgoing (which might make Sol88 partially happy because they also talk about rock).

Theory of compressional and transverse wave propagation in consolidated porous media, J. Acoust. Soc. Am. 106 (2), August 1999.

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Wonder what it was? Chalk? Marble? A disaster for the interplanetary arm of the Medellin cartel? Lol.

Probably chalk, that is how constellations are drawn in the sky, but not Aquarius.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

Ofcourse Sol88's lack of scientific background is blatantly showing again in this pointless discussion.

Just to give an example, there is such a thing as "consolidated porous material", the one does not exclude the other.

This is the first paper that I found by simply duckduckgoing (which might make Sol88 partially happy because they also talk about rock).

Theory of compressional and transverse wave propagation in consolidated porous media, J. Acoust. Soc. Am. 106 (2), August 1999.

How does that relate to cometary rock, or even a meteoric matrix?

You would call these rocky minerals rock if they were consolidated?

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Though the post-impact spectrum is still being analyzed, it shows that Tempel 1's ejecta contain the following chemicals: smectite clay; iron-containing compounds; carbonates, the minerals in seashells; crystallized silicates, such as the green olivine minerals found on beaches and in the gemstone peridot; and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are carbon-containing compounds found in car exhaust and on burnt toast.

though to be fair they were on out of Tempel 1

[Lukraak_Sisser]

And sol88 is back to discussing the best way to decorate a window made out of spun sugar in a castle built upon a cloud.

No matter how much you try to distract the discussion, the fact that NOTHING of the EU has ever been detected, and the fact that the EU un-explains observed facts means that your prattling will never amount to more than a bit of amusement for others on a message board.

Meanwhile, actual scientists (Sol88's much degraded mainstream) will keep exploring the universe and actually contributing to the sum of human knowledge.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Like Vest and Ceres?

Bright shiny things seem to get all the attention when you believed comets were mostly ICE!

It's shiny = ice!

Wrong. Which, once again, shows your inability to understand the science in the papers. The spectroscopy says it's ice. The spectroscopy says that it is cold, neutral CO₂ that is entraining the water ice. How many times do I have to go through this? You are the one who relies on misinterpreting images. That is what your whole, unscientific cult is predicated upon.
"Oooh, it looks like rock." Whereas real science looks at that material, and sees a thermal inertia inconsistent with rock. The smack it with a hammer, and measure the wave propagation speed, and see that it isn't like rock. They measure the density, and see that it isn't like rock. They test its permittivity, and see that it isn't like rock. They send radio waves right through it, and see that it isn't rock. They impact it at high speed, and see that it isn't rock. They look at what is blasted out of it, and see that it isn't rock.
And the response from the Velikovskian, non-scientists? "Oooh, but it still looks like rock." It is difficult to argue with that kind of idiocy. It gets tiresome.

[jonesdave116]

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How does that relate to cometary rock, or even a meteoric matrix?

There is no cometary rock. And is precisely what was done by MUPUS, iirc, which has also been linked in here numerous times. Hit it with a hammer, measure wave propagation speed. It will be different for different materials. For the consolidated material where Philae landed, it is inconsistent with rock. Easy.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

Ofcourse Sol88's lack of scientific background is blatantly showing again in this pointless discussion.

Just to give an example, there is such a thing as "consolidated porous material", the one does not exclude the other.

[jonesdave116]

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or which are rockier?

Given that comets have zero rock? Dumb question. And I keep asking you - which type of asteroids? Which type of comets? Just really dumb questions to deflect from the complete failure of your impossible woo. Want me to remind you what your woo claims? Again?

[Sol88]

[quote=jonesdave116;13042084]


Ahhh, is that what it is? Cometary rock?

That would go well with Why Comets Are Like Deep Fried Ice Cream

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"A comet is like deep fried ice cream," said Murthy Gudipati of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, corresponding author of a recent study appearing in The Journal of Physical Chemistry. "The crust is made of crystalline ice, while the interior is colder and more porous. The organics are like a final layer of chocolate on top."

Yummy


Geez I really should have studied harder at school so I could get a job like that and be able to educate people like jonesdave116.

Much more productive than talking about some scientifically impossible woo, involving rock, charge seperation and electric fields. (Double layers)

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by Sol88

How does that relate to cometary rock, or even a meteoric matrix?

You would call these rocky minerals rock if they were consolidated?

How would i know, i am just a plasma physicist.

This was just to show that you claim nonsense, consolidated and porous DO go together.

Don't try to weasel out of it by changing the subject, YOU CLAIM WAS WRONG.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

This post: An insane rant about Ceres demonstrates his utter insanity that dwarf planets, asteroids, the Moon, and Mercury are comets to be added to Most of the recent insanity from Sol88

For others: All bodies in that Solar System obviously will have some minerals in common since they formed in the same environment - the proto-Solar System. A big difference is that the vast majority of ices in asteroids sublimated because they are small bodies in the inner Solar System. Comets retained ices because they originate in the outer Solar System. Ceresis a dwarf planet and has retained ice because it is big.

Next post: An insane rant about Vesta and Ceres.

For others: We are not insane like Sol88 and look at bright patches on bodies like Ceres and guess what they are.
For Vesta we see terrain that is typical of material distorted by ices being melted thru impacts. But no sign of surface ices, so this inferred ice has to be subsurface.
For Ceres we knew before Dawn that the IR spectrum showed hydrated minerals indicating significant subsurface water. We knew that the surface varied in brightness from HST and other images. Dawn took images that have bright patches and we do not know exactly what causes them. The leading candidate is salt but they may be ice.

Next post: Demented questions to show how insane he is.
Next post: Deranged rant about textbook mainstream ices and dust cometary science.
Sol88 shows that he is insane by linking to Why Comets Are Like Deep Fried Ice Cream which has

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Researchers already knew that comets have soft interiors and seemingly hard crusts. NASA's Deep Impact and the European Space Agency's Rosetta spacecraft both inspected comets up close, finding evidence of soft, porous interiors. Last November, Rosetta's Philae probe bounced to a landing on the surface of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, confirming that comets have a hard surface. The black, soot-like coats of comets, made up of organic molecules and dust, had also been seen before by the Deep Impact mission.

Next post: Insane lies about the Stardust mission finding rock.
Next post: Shows that he is insane with demented questions about mainstream ices and dust comets.
Next post: Shows that he is insane with insane "Not necessarily lightning bolts off of planets " nonsense ....

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Given that comets have zero rock? Dumb question. And I keep asking you - which type of asteroids? Which type of comets? Just really dumb questions to deflect from the complete failure of your impossible woo. Want me to remind you what your woo claims? Again?

Well Stardust (spacecraft) did at Wild 2, which appears to be a rock, "tastes" like rock...

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In December 2006, seven papers were published in the scientific journal Science, discussing initial details of the sample analysis.

Among the findings are: a wide range of organic compounds, including two that contain biologically usable nitrogen; indigenous aliphatic hydrocarbons with longer chain lengths than those observed in the diffuse interstellar medium; abundant amorphous silicates in addition to crystalline silicates such as olivine and pyroxene, proving consistency with the mixing of Solar System and interstellar matter, previously deduced spectroscopically from ground observations;[47] hydrous silicates and carbonate minerals were found to be absent, suggesting a lack of aqueous processing of the cometary dust; limited pure carbon (CHON)[clarification needed] was also found in the samples returned; methylamine and ethylamine was found in the aerogel but was not associated with specific particles.

We did, however, see evidence of hydrous silicates and carbonate minerals suggesting a high degree of aqueous processing of the cometary dust in Tempel 1

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From its lofty perch in space, Spitzer was in the perfect position to scrutinize the cometary material ejected from comet Tempel 1. The sensitive telescope's spectrometer instrument detected dust particles finer than human hair, and discovered the presence of silicates (crushed rock or sand), carbonates (chalk), smectite (clay), metal sulfides (like fool's gold), amorphous carbon (soot) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (carbon-rich molecules found on barbecue grills and in automobile exhaust on Earth).

Asteroids, Comets, Planets: Cut From Same Cloth?

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"Comets are the stepping stones to planets," said Lisse. "With these missions, astronomers know more about comets today than ever before, and we're still only beginning to scratch the surface."

Our understanding has been evolving towards mostly rock, especially for 67P, that has been found to have friction coefficients as high as 0.97, comparable, or even exceeding, those found in dry landslides on Earth!

This implies that the dust seen by Spitzer, returned by Stardust and sampled by Rosetta and Philea that our findings reject the idea that comets are fluffy aggregates, instead, they are characterised by consolidated surfaces.

I put forward this consolidated material is made from the very dust we see and measure!

Joensedave116 on the other hand, has put forward "Crunchie bars".

This is not a problem at ALL for the ELECTRIC COMET but is for the dirtysnowball, as pointed out by Patzold.

A paper poo pooped by jonesdave116 and he's fellow crusaders!

[Reality Check]

Starting at ~10 March 2020

1. Sol88's demented lie about "A fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration..." only using electric fields.
2. Sol88 demonstrates how utterly insane he is by expanding his demented delusion that comets have less water then asteroids
3. Sol88 emphasizes his insanity with an image of the expected change in topology of Tempel 1. Deep Impact on Temple 1 shows insane he is.
4. Sol88 quotes a definition of electric discharge from Wikipedia that shows he is a deluded liar
5. Next post: Sol88 doubles up on his insane lying. There are no electrical discharges in the paper.
6. Many cases of Sol88 being a coward, a liar and land running away from changing his delusions into science, e.g. evidence for electric discharges on comets.
   jonesdave116: So where are these discharges? Show me the detection, and stop running away
   jonesdave116: When are you going to grow a pair, and actually email Deca, instead of lying about his paper
7. A new deranged lie by quote mining with no source a 15 year old newspaper article!
8. Sol88 confirms his insanity that A'Hearn stated that comets are actual rocks by quoting A'Hearn stating that Tempel 1 had "snowbank" outer layers.
9. Sol88's insanity of citing a 15 year old clays and carbonates finding that is explained and indirectly confirmed by A'Hearn.
10. An insane delusion that any "cometary Electrons and Ions" have been found leaving the comet nucleus.
11. Sol88 persists with his year old "very little ice" insanity about the Pätzold et. al. paper.
12. Sol88 goes utterly insane by listing authors of a mainstream ices and dust paper.
13. Sol88 goes utterly insane by listing authors of another mainstream ices and dust paper.
14. Sol88 goes insane yet again with demented lies about posts and posters
15. Sol88 shows insane he is with his persistent, insane lies about and insults of posters (insanity that jonesdave116 called authors liars)
16. Confirms his complete insanity by saying that Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs (19 March 2018) is "succeeded" by a paper not on the tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko nucleus material and published on 07 September 2016
    Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view has 1 mention of tensile strength when talking about pits.
17. An insane rant about Ceres demonstrates his utter insanity that dwarf planets, asteroids, the Moon, and Mercury are comets !
    The reality is that a common origin of all solar bodies means that thy have some minerals in common.
18. Persists with years old, insane lies about the Stardust mission finding rock.
19. Yet more insanity of emphasizing his deranged "lightning bolts" dogma
20. "Now just incorporate that into ICY comets." insanity
21. Sol88 shows that he is an insane liar by not citing a paper yet again!

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

How would i know, i am just a plasma physicist.

So back to your own discipline, champ!

That's how science works.

Talking about plasma and you being quite the knowledgeable fella on the subject (your discipline) are you able to in plain language, if not too hard, on exactly what the magnetic field aligned ambipolar electric field that ensures quasi-neutrality and traps warm electrons that is operation at 67P, is and does.

I assume you've read the paper?

A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet Andrey Divin , Jan Deca, Anders Eriksson, Pierre Henri5, Giovanni Lapenta, Vyacheslav Olshevsky and
Stefano Markidis

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Abstract The cometary mission Rosetta has shown the presence of higher-than-expected suprathermal electron fluxes. In this study, using 3D fully kinetic electromagnetic simulations of the interaction of the solar wind with a comet, we constrain the kinetic mechanism that is responsible for the bulk electron energization that creates the suprathermal distribution from the warm background of solar wind electrons. We identify and characterize the magnetic field aligned ambipolar electric field that ensures quasi-neutrality and traps warm electrons. Solar wind electrons are accelerated to energies as high as 50–70 eV close to the comet nucleus without the need for wave–particle or turbulent heating mechanisms. We find that the accelerating potential controls the parallel electron temperature, total density, and (to a lesser degree) the perpendicular electron temperature and the magnetic field magnitude. Our self-consistent approach enables us to better understand the underlying plasma processes that govern the near comet plasma environment.

Also electrons are accelerated to energies as high as 50–70 eV close to the comet nucleus where does the energy come from? a take it it as something to do with the accelerating potential.

Possible for you to explain to both jonesdave116 and I?

[Reality Check]

This is the Stardust spacecraft which collected dust grains from the coma of Wild 2

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In December 2006, seven papers were published in the scientific journal Science, discussing initial details of the sample analysis. Among the findings are: a wide range of organic compounds, including two that contain biologically usable nitrogen; indigenous aliphatic hydrocarbons with longer chain lengths than those observed in the diffuse interstellar medium; abundant amorphous silicates in addition to crystalline silicates such as olivine and pyroxene, proving consistency with the mixing of Solar System and interstellar matter, previously deduced spectroscopically from ground observations;[47] hydrous silicates and carbonate minerals were found to be absent, suggesting a lack of aqueous processing of the cometary dust; limited pure carbon (CHON)[clarification needed] was also found in the samples returned; methylamine and ethylamine was found in the aerogel but was not associated with specific particles.

In 2010, Dr. Andrew Westphal announced that Stardust@home volunteer Bruce Hudson found a track (labeled "I1043,1,30") among the many images of the aerogel that may contain an interstellar dust grain.[48] The program allows for any volunteer discoveries to be recognized and named by the volunteer. Hudson named his discovery "Orion".[49]

In April 2011, scientists from the University of Arizona discovered evidence for the presence of liquid water in comet Wild 2. They have found iron and copper sulfide minerals that must have formed in the presence of water. The discovery shatters the existing paradigm that comets never get warm enough to melt their icy bulk.[50] In the spring of 2014, the recovery of particles of interstellar dust from the Discovery program's Stardust mission was announced.[51]

None of that dust is Sol88's decades old insanity of rocks being blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets which will have minerals such as granite, basalt , limestone, sandstone, etc. (for Earth) that are unique to planets.

What we see is minerals as predicted in mainstream astronomy and confirmed by observations.
Asteroids, Comets, Planets: Cut From Same Cloth?

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

This is the Stardust spacecraft which collected dust grains from the coma of Wild 2

None of that dust is Sol88's decades old insanity of rocks being blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets which will have minerals such as granite, basalt , limestone, sandstone, etc. (for Earth) that are unique to planets.

What we see is minerals as predicted in mainstream astronomy and confirmed by observations.
Asteroids, Comets, Planets: Cut From Same Cloth?

Not necessarily lightning bolts off of planets


The building blocks of planets within the ‘terrestrial’ region of protoplanetary disks R. van Boekel

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The spectral shape of the inner-disk spectra shows surprising similarity with Solar System comets.

Radial-mixing models naturally explain this resemblance as well
as the gradient in chemical composition. Our observations imply
that silicates crystallize before any terrestrial planets are formed,
consistent with the composition of meteorites in the Solar
System.

Now just incorporate that into ICY comets.

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Therefore, the building blocks of comets in our Solar System have been processed
in a similar way and to the same degree as in the inner disks of our
programme stars.

This is surprising, because comets formed in the icy regions of the solar nebula, further than 5 AU from the Sun.

And champ that is the mainstreams conundrum!

[Reality Check]

Usual insanity of ignoring what we post: Persists with years old, insane lies about the Stardust mission finding rock
His insanity demands that comets have minerals that can only come from planets and none have ever been found.
His insanity is that not only that there are lightning bolts between planets. It is also that the planets whizz continuously and recently around the Solar System to deliver them !

Every comet we see, according to this insane idiot, was blasted by lightning between planets by one o(or both?) planet moving to within blasting range. That is Velikovsky's Venus stopping/starting the Earth's spin (with no apparent blasting !) taken to a insane level of idiocy.

[Reality Check]

The incorporation of inner solar system grains has been explained many times. They form. Solar wind pushes them outward. Radiation pushes them outward. Outer solar system bodies such as comets form from then and collect them.

[Reality Check]

Sol88 shows that he is an insane liar by not citing a paper.
The building blocks of planets within the ‘terrestrial’ region of protoplanetary disks by R. van Boekel et. al. Published: 25 November 2004
That is before the Stardust mission returned and gave physical evidence that inner Solar System dust grains can be transported outward to form comets.

[jonesdave116]

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Much more productive than talking about some scientifically impossible woo, involving rock, charge seperation and electric fields. (Double layers)

And scientifically impossible woo is what you believe. All those things can happen, but not how you think they can happen. That is the benefit of not understanding any of the relevant science. You can just make ***** up. Electric field, is due to outgassing. No outgassing, no need for electric field. No charge separation beyond the Debye length. Which accomplishes nothing even if it did exist and certainly not EDM (lol) woo. And double layers would be obvious. A cometary environment is really not a good place to form them. A bit turbulent.
Shall I remind you what you believe in? You know, the scientifically impossible woo?

Comets are rocks, blasted off of planets by giant interplanetary lightning bolts (lol). These lightning bolts happened when planets (presumably Venus, having been ejected by Jupiter) were doing handbrake turns around the solar system, within human memory. Possibly at the same time as Earth was orbiting Saturn (lol).
These impossibly created rocks find themselves on highly elliptical orbits. At the same time, a radial electric field is present emanating from the Sun (lol). Even though it cannot be measured, and cannot occur, as it would have to be perpendicular to the radial magnetic field which most definitely is measurable. Somehow, these impossible rocks build up a charge when in the weakest part of this non-existent field, and discharge it where the charge is highest (lol).
All this, despite us knowing that shed loads of asteroids on similar orbits don't turn into comets. And also knowing that there is no rock at comets. And also knowing that there are no discharges (lol) from or to the nucleus.
The water vapour is unexplained in this woo. The idiots who invented it only got half way, in assuming that solar wind H⁺ would hurtle along in a collisionless environment, and smack into O^- ions, that are also non-existent. How the hell they get to be water after that is anyone's guess. Magic, I guess.
We are also told that the coma is a glow discharge (lol). Despite mountains of evidence from near and far, showing that the light from comets is almost totally due to sunlight reflected from dust. Dust that shouldn't be there, according to the idiot-in-chief.
So, that's the bare bones of it. Complete crap from start to finish, and all shown to be trivially false from the years around 1986. Twenty years before this impossible woo was invented.
So, I would say 'scientifically impossible woo' is being very nice to this execrable heap of unscientific, mythology inspired crap.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Not necessarily lightning bolts off of planets


The building blocks of planets within the ‘terrestrial’ region of protoplanetary disks R. van Boekel



Now just incorporate that into ICY comets.



And champ that is the mainstreams conundrum!

Nope, not a conundrum. Hot stuff forms close in. Cold stuff forms far out. Hot stuff gets blown out to where cold stuff is. However, there was a terrible shock for mainstream scientists, with the discovery that the inner solar system stuff found at Wild 2 was younger than the assumed age of comets! The assumed age is ~ the age of the solar system (~4.6 Gyr). The refractory stuff was a whole 1.7 Myrs younger! Yikes!

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...twards&f=false

Unfortunately, I don't own that book, and it is impossible (AFAIK) to copy/paste text from Google Books. However, it seems to be well worth a read.

EDIT:

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Unfortunately, I don't own that book,..........

But now I do! Yeh, Mobilism rocks!

[jonesdave116]

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Possible for you to explain to both jonesdave116 and I?

Leave me out of it. I have read all the relevant papers on which Deca was author or co-author. I understand as much as I need to to see that he is not saying what you think he is saying.

[jonesdave116]

So, referring to the book that I linked, here is the paper that he must have been talking about;

Constraints on the Formation Age of Cometary Material from the NASA Stardust Mission
Matzel, J. E. P. et al. (2010)
http://shadow.eas.gatech.edu/~kcobb/...s/matzel10.pdf

[jonesdave116]

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Our understanding has been evolving towards mostly rock, especially for 67P, that has been found to have friction coefficients as high as 0.97, comparable, or even exceeding, those found in dry landslides on Earth!

Liar. No rock ever detected at a comet. And the landslides are of material with ice in it, as the authors plainly state. Why don't you stop lying, and give us all a break, yes?

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Possible for you to explain to both jonesdave116 and I?

If you would comprehensively read the whole paper, and not only tha abstract, I am sure that Andrey explains it somewhere.
I am not here to do your work for you, and anyway, any explanation that I would give, that would not fit into your mindset, would be discarded. So why bother? (and no, do not come with the lame argument of it being for "the lurkers")

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

If you would comprehensively read the whole paper, and not only tha abstract, I am sure that Andrey explains it somewhere.
I am not here to do your work for you, and anyway, any explanation that I would give, that would not fit into your mindset, would be discarded. So why bother? (and no, do not come with the lame argument of it being for "the lurkers")

Ok, sorry to ask the expert.

I’ve read it as confirmation of plasma double layers in operation at comets.

But I’m obviously wrong...

[Sol88]

On a brighter note, I’ll leave you in peace for a couple days whilst I go source marine protein.

Take care and stay safe.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

This post: His utter insanity of double layers at comets when he has told by an expert (tusenfem) many times that they are physically impossible at comets. Double insanity because Sol88 is showing that he and his cult is deranged by lying about their demented dogma which has no double layers and has almost none of what Sol88 is vomiting delusions about. Even his cult must be disgusted at him(not) !
Next post: We expect to see Sol88 make his insanity even more obvious with more of his decades of idiocy this week and forever more.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

This post: His utter insanity of double layers at comets when he has told by an expert (tusenfem) many times that they are physically impossible at comets. Double insanity because Sol88 is showing that he and his cult is deranged by lying about their demented dogma which has no double layers and has almost none of what Sol88 is vomiting delusions about. Even his cult must be disgusted at him(not) !
Next post: We expect to see Sol88 make his insanity even more obvious with more of his decades of idiocy this week and forever more.

tusenfem knows, of course he does, he a smart cookie!

I mean, there it is in black and white...

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To constrain the mechanism responsible for the anisotropic electron heating present in the latter region, we introduce an effective acceleration (ambipolar) potential (Egedal et al. 2008, 2010), ΦP, defined by the integral

F(x) = ∮ E · dl. (Math never copies nicely!)

Here the integration is performed along a field line starting from a point x at y=0 up to the ambient solar wind, where E·B∼0. Φ P is a measure for the work performed by the electric field. Electrons that have a parallel kinetic energy
greater than ΦP that pass through the region gain energy while traversing into the potential well, and lose it again on their way out. Those that enter the potential well with a parallel kinetic energy below the local ΦP remain trapped and bounce along the magnetic field line while their motion is simultaneously altered by the localE×B drift component.

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Third, such acceleration is nonturbulent and adiabatic (Egedal et al. 2010), but we do not exclude the possibility of electron beam modes development in a more realistic (but more computationally expensive) simulation with higher resolution and a higher mi,sw/me mass ratio.

Further, so far at comets, we have some sorta rockyness going on with plasma double layers involved that ultimately leads too...

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Understanding the suprathermal electron population is important, since increased fluxes of the latter have been shown to strongly affect also the cometary ionosphere via electron impact ionization (Galand et al. 2016), charge exchange (Wedlund et al. 2017; Heritier et al. 2018), and is thought to affect dust grain charging processes (Gombosi et al. 2015).

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Hence, the accelerating potential ΦP is indeed a critical
quantity that controls the trapping of electrons, and by
extension the nature of the electron closure relation (equation
of state; Le et al. 2010; Deca et al. 2019; Sishtla et al. 2019).

A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet


Double

So, tusenfem?

Why is this NOT a very accurate description of a double layer?

[Sol88]

So, jonesdave116

The most important and the dominate ionisation process is IMPACT IONISATION.

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4. Conclusions

Our charge measurements confirmed the predictions of the patched charge model, showing that dust particles can be electrostatically transported or lofted on the surfaces of airless planetary bodies due to their large net negative charges.

This result especially contradicts the generally expected positive charge polarity on dust particles exposed to UV radiation. These negative charges are orders of magnitude larger than the charges predicted by previous charging models or measured from previous experimental works. The initial charge state of regolith dust provided from this new charge measurement is critical for their dynamics studies in order to understand the surface evolution of airless planetary bodies

The charge state of electrostatically transported dust on regolith surfaces

No mechanism, jonesdave116?

or more precisely, no mechanism in an DIRTYSNOWBALL sublimation model, your model!

Rock, charged dust and double layers!



please remember before you use the same old tired argument jd116,

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These nanograins originate at the comet nucleus and are picked up by the
nearby SW and returned to the comet's vicinity with greatly increased energies. They then are accelerated
further, creating a cloud of nanograins flowing with the SW toward the outer heliosphere.

Simultaneous Observation of Negatively and
Positively Charged Nanograins at Comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by tusenfem

If you would comprehensively read the whole paper, and not only tha abstract, I am sure that Andrey explains it somewhere.
I am not here to do your work for you, and anyway, any explanation that I would give, that would not fit into your mindset, would be discarded. So why bother? (and no, do not come with the lame argument of it being for "the lurkers")

So, as I've been saying since day one, there IS charge separation at comets.


Is there a spatial separation of + and - in play at comets tusenfem?

Will you answer for the lurkers if the last question was just too hard?

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Liar. No rock ever detected at a comet. And the landslides are of material with ice in it, as the authors plainly state. Why don't you stop lying, and give us all a break, yes?

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Our findings reject the idea that comets are fluffy aggregates, instead, they are characterised by consolidated surfaces.

The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

[Sol88]

The comet is losing MASS and CHARGE via the process's above!

That IS the ELECTRIC COMET!

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

tusenfem knows, of course he does, he a smart cookie!

I mean, there it is in black and white...







Further, so far at comets, we have some sorta rockyness going on with plasma double layers involved that ultimately leads too...




A Fully Kinetic Perspective of Electron Acceleration around a Weakly Outgassing Comet


Double

So, tusenfem?

Why is this NOT a very accurate description of a double layer?

You would need to understand the science to answer that. You don't. No double layers, no rock.