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catsmate · 18th October 2019, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

I found this helpful:

Brexit: What to expect from Parliament's Saturday sitting

Originally Posted by The Don

I cannot access it, I'm being asked to log in.

That happened to me the first time I clicked the link, it opened gallifreybase.com (is Pixel42 a Whovian?) with a login box. Subsequently it worked OK opening
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368.

Pixel42 · 18th October 2019, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

That happened to me the first time I clicked the link, it opened gallifreybase.com (is Pixel42 a Whovian?)

Guilty as charged.

I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now.

Dave Rogers · 18th October 2019, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Guilty as charged.

I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now.

So the Dr. Who fans are discussing Brexit too. Can't any of them just tell us how it all worked out?

Dave

The Great Zaganza · 18th October 2019, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Guilty as charged.

I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now.

You really shouldn't let people know how you log in at U.N.I.T. ...

Mojo · 18th October 2019, 07:47 AM

Apparently it’s being suggested that Boris can sell his deal to the ERG by telling them that it can still lead to a no-deal exit at the end of next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08993584c891b9

I wonder what he’s expected to tell everyone else...

ceptimus · 18th October 2019, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

On what basis do you claim that 52% of voters in the referendum voted for a hard Brexit?

The choice in the referendum was leave or remain. There was no mention of 'hard'.

The hard/soft thing is a remainer invention where the ultimate aim is to bamboozle the public into believing that remaining is what they really wanted.

ceptimus · 18th October 2019, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Information Analyst

Remind us again what you "won."

The majority of the democratic vote in the referendum.

ceptimus · 18th October 2019, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Francesca R

NI will apply EU VAT rates not UK VAT rates. If they differ in the future. HMRC will collect the EU VAT from the Aberdeen seller if it goes to NI but the UK VAT if it goes to Bury.

NI and Irish VAT rates are different right now - and have been so for years.

Manger Douse · 18th October 2019, 10:40 PM

"it is vitally important the government holds up its election promise that the referendum would be upheld"

"What about the promises of the best deal ever from the EU, £350 million for the NHS etc etc"

"Oh sweet summer child, you shouldn't believe government promises"

Squeegee Beckenheim · 19th October 2019, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

(is Pixel42 a Whovian?)

Her avatar is Barbara Wright, so it's a fair guess.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 19th October 2019, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by ceptimus

The choice in the referendum was leave or remain. There was no mention of 'hard'.

Exactly. So you shouldn't make the claim that 52% of voters voted for a hard Brexit, as you did.

Now can you answer the other question, which you have avoided twice now?

Captain_Swoop · 19th October 2019, 02:09 AM

Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules.

You can't make it up!

P.J. Denyer · 19th October 2019, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules.

You can't make it up!

Sadly apparently they can make it up, with no consequences.

timhau · 19th October 2019, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules.

You can't make it up!

Are you sure it wasn't to NNI (Not-Northern Ireland)?

Squeegee Beckenheim · 19th October 2019, 06:43 AM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1185552930323292160

Quote:

Labour source: govt has lost on Letwin

For those who don't know: The Letwin amendment

Archie Gemmill Goal · 19th October 2019, 06:47 AM

Boris has lost another vote ... Letwin amendment passed.

GlennB · 19th October 2019, 07:23 AM

There are some nice ditches round this way, but they're EU ditches. He might prefer a local one.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 19th October 2019, 07:26 AM

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1185555805984165888

Quote:

OK so put aside any euphoria. That vote was one with 8 MPs. That means the DUP were vital to it. But it means something else too. There are probably more than eight Purged Tory pro-dealers, who backed the amendment. It suggests that the deal would pass.

wobs · 19th October 2019, 07:36 AM

Days since last catastrophe =0.

Francesca R · 19th October 2019, 07:41 AM

Thing is, the kerfuffle in the commons means that by the time Johnson writes this letter it will miss the last post and not go until Monday. With a 21st postmark stamp on it it contravenes the Benn law s he's off to jail

Darat · 19th October 2019, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Francesca R

Thing is, the kerfuffle in the commons means that by the time Johnson writes this letter it will miss the last post and not go until Monday. With a 21st postmark stamp on it it contravenes the Benn law s he's off to jail

Hang on aren't the posties going on strike? It's the deep state trying to scupper the will of the people ( that matter)!

Darat · 19th October 2019, 08:00 AM

If only Boris had had a few more Tory MPs then this terrible problem wouldn't have arisen, now where would he had found a dozen or more Tory MPs.....

It's these independent MPs, bloody marxists the lot of them.

Information Analyst · 19th October 2019, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by ceptimus

The majority of the democratic vote in the referendum.

Leaver circular "reasoning" at it's best.

Mongrel · 19th October 2019, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by GlennB

There are some nice ditches round this way, but they're EU ditches. He might prefer a local one.

Oh, I dunno.
" ... some corner of a foreign ~~field~~ ditch that is forever England"?

Garrison · 19th October 2019, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Exactly. So you shouldn't make the claim that 52% of voters voted for a hard Brexit, as you did.

Well its more than simply didn't vote for it. Leave supporters denounced a hard Brexit/no deal as just part of 'Project Fear', just Remainer scaremongering about something that would never, ever, happen.

Craig4 · 19th October 2019, 10:14 AM

Um...are you all sure about this? I mean it sort of seems like your hearts just aren't in this Brexit thing.

Lukraak_Sisser · 19th October 2019, 10:22 AM

I still wonder how this can happen. The leave campaign and team had such a well organized and explained plan ready to implement the moment the referendum was done.
And they had a majority in parliament.
Plus a series of leaders that was willing to get right to it.
And they'd already worked out all the details with the EU.

But looking at it, it's almost as if there were impossible to deliver, mutually contradictory promises, made by people unwilling to actually take responsibility who then spent all the time going for personal power rather than actually delivering what they promised.

The Don · 19th October 2019, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal

Boris has lost another vote ... Letwin amendment passed.

And here's me thinking that Middlesbrough has had a ropey start to the season...

If he was a football manager, he'd be out on his ear.

Francesca R · 19th October 2019, 11:25 AM

The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win

p0lka · 19th October 2019, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Francesca R

The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win

How so?

Garrison · 19th October 2019, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Francesca R

The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win

But that isn't a win for Johnson, he still wants to engineer a no deal Brexit and this amendment thwarts him, that's why he didn't put his deal to a vote.

a_unique_person · 19th October 2019, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

That happened to me the first time I clicked the link, it opened gallifreybase.com (is Pixel42 a Whovian?) with a login box. Subsequently it worked OK opening

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368.

Sonic screwdriver fixed it?

a_unique_person · 19th October 2019, 02:12 PM

Boris now has his place in history. PM who lost the most votes.

Archie Gemmill Goal · 19th October 2019, 02:17 PM

He has sent the letter but not signed it, included a covering letter from a lackey and sent ANOTHER letter saying he doesn't want an extension at all.

He seems to be doing his best to end up in jail, has one of his backers got a bet on that?

Francesca R · 19th October 2019, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Garrison

But that isn't a win for Johnson, he still wants to engineer a no deal Brexit and this amendment thwarts him, that's why he didn't put his deal to a vote.

No deal just got less likely. That's what the Letwin amendment was for.

Therefore more MPs are likely to vote for the deal than otherwise would have today.

(Not that it's going to be a landslide)

sphenisc · 19th October 2019, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal

He has sent the letter but not signed it, included a covering letter from a lackey and sent ANOTHER letter saying he doesn't want an extension at all.

He seems to be doing his best to end up in jail, has one of his backers got a bet on that?

Did he put a stamp on it?

Francesca R · 19th October 2019, 02:21 PM

Oh well I wasn't on another planet with my invisible ink idea

sphenisc · 19th October 2019, 02:27 PM

If I were 27 heads of EU States that's the kind of thing that would make me inclined to respond, "Sure UK, you take as long as you like... no rush."

Captain_Swoop · 19th October 2019, 03:03 PM

I sent 4 letters!

Squeegee Beckenheim · 19th October 2019, 03:59 PM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1185680494203150336

Quote:

how will EU deal with Number 10 letter? EU source: “They take the letter on its merits and ignore the others.“

18th October 2019, 07:31 AM	#1281
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,072	Originally Posted by Pixel42 I found this helpful: Brexit: What to expect from Parliament's Saturday sitting Originally Posted by The Don I cannot access it, I'm being asked to log in. That happened to me the first time I clicked the link, it opened gallifreybase.com (is Pixel42 a Whovian?) with a login box. Subsequently it worked OK opening https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50095368.
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18th October 2019, 07:35 AM	#1282
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 14,679	Originally Posted by catsmate That happened to me the first time I clicked the link, it opened gallifreybase.com (is Pixel42 a Whovian?) Guilty as charged. I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now.
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18th October 2019, 07:45 AM	#1283
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,342	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Guilty as charged. I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now. So the Dr. Who fans are discussing Brexit too. Can't any of them just tell us how it all worked out? Dave
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18th October 2019, 07:47 AM	#1285
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 35,958	Apparently it’s being suggested that Boris can sell his deal to the ERG by telling them that it can still lead to a no-deal exit at the end of next year. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08993584c891b9 I wonder what he’s expected to tell everyone else...
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18th October 2019, 06:51 PM	#1286
ceptimus puzzler Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,464	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim On what basis do you claim that 52% of voters in the referendum voted for a hard Brexit? The choice in the referendum was leave or remain. There was no mention of 'hard'. The hard/soft thing is a remainer invention where the ultimate aim is to bamboozle the public into believing that remaining is what they really wanted.
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18th October 2019, 07:46 AM	#1284
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,052	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Guilty as charged. I cut & pasted from the wrong tab, the link is fixed now. You really shouldn't let people know how you log in at U.N.I.T. ...

18th October 2019, 06:53 PM	#1287
ceptimus puzzler Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,464	Originally Posted by Information Analyst Remind us again what you "won." The majority of the democratic vote in the referendum.
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18th October 2019, 07:02 PM	#1288
ceptimus puzzler Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,464	Originally Posted by Francesca R NI will apply EU VAT rates not UK VAT rates. If they differ in the future. HMRC will collect the EU VAT from the Aberdeen seller if it goes to NI but the UK VAT if it goes to Bury. NI and Irish VAT rates are different right now - and have been so for years.
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18th October 2019, 10:40 PM	#1289
Manger Douse Muse Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 799	"it is vitally important the government holds up its election promise that the referendum would be upheld" "What about the promises of the best deal ever from the EU, £350 million for the NHS etc etc" "Oh sweet summer child, you shouldn't believe government promises"
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19th October 2019, 01:13 AM	#1290
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	Originally Posted by catsmate (is Pixel42 a Whovian?) Her avatar is Barbara Wright, so it's a fair guess.
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19th October 2019, 01:14 AM	#1291
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	Originally Posted by ceptimus The choice in the referendum was leave or remain. There was no mention of 'hard'. Exactly. So you shouldn't make the claim that 52% of voters voted for a hard Brexit, as you did. Now can you answer the other question, which you have avoided twice now?
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19th October 2019, 02:09 AM	#1292
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,818	Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules. You can't make it up!

19th October 2019, 02:12 AM	#1293
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,732	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules. You can't make it up! Sadly apparently they can make it up, with no consequences.
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19th October 2019, 06:32 AM	#1294
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,950	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Apparently after Brexit the deal means new industry will flock to NI because to benefit from EU rules. You can't make it up! Are you sure it wasn't to NNI (Not-Northern Ireland)?
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19th October 2019, 06:43 AM	#1295
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1185552930323292160 Quote: Labour source: govt has lost on Letwin For those who don't know: The Letwin amendment
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19th October 2019, 06:47 AM	#1296
Archie Gemmill Goal Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 8,324	Boris has lost another vote ... Letwin amendment passed.

19th October 2019, 07:23 AM	#1297
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 28,009	There are some nice ditches round this way, but they're EU ditches. He might prefer a local one.
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19th October 2019, 07:26 AM	#1298
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 32,124	https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1185555805984165888 Quote: OK so put aside any euphoria. That vote was one with 8 MPs. That means the DUP were vital to it. But it means something else too. There are probably more than eight Purged Tory pro-dealers, who backed the amendment. It suggests that the deal would pass.
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19th October 2019, 07:36 AM	#1299
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,670	Days since last catastrophe =0.
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19th October 2019, 07:41 AM	#1300
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 18,775	Thing is, the kerfuffle in the commons means that by the time Johnson writes this letter it will miss the last post and not go until Monday. With a 21st postmark stamp on it it contravenes the Benn law s he's off to jail

19th October 2019, 07:58 AM	#1301
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 102,478	Originally Posted by Francesca R Thing is, the kerfuffle in the commons means that by the time Johnson writes this letter it will miss the last post and not go until Monday. With a 21st postmark stamp on it it contravenes the Benn law s he's off to jail Hang on aren't the posties going on strike? It's the deep state trying to scupper the will of the people ( that matter)!
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19th October 2019, 08:00 AM	#1302
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 102,478	If only Boris had had a few more Tory MPs then this terrible problem wouldn't have arisen, now where would he had found a dozen or more Tory MPs..... It's these independent MPs, bloody marxists the lot of them.
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19th October 2019, 08:15 AM	#1303
Information Analyst Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 10,099	Originally Posted by ceptimus The majority of the democratic vote in the referendum. Leaver circular "reasoning" at it's best.

19th October 2019, 09:12 AM	#1304
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,138	Originally Posted by GlennB There are some nice ditches round this way, but they're EU ditches. He might prefer a local one. Oh, I dunno. " ... some corner of a foreign ~~field~~ ditch that is forever England"?
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19th October 2019, 09:50 AM	#1305
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,795	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Exactly. So you shouldn't make the claim that 52% of voters voted for a hard Brexit, as you did. Well its more than simply didn't vote for it. Leave supporters denounced a hard Brexit/no deal as just part of 'Project Fear', just Remainer scaremongering about something that would never, ever, happen.
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19th October 2019, 10:14 AM	#1306
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,307	Um...are you all sure about this? I mean it sort of seems like your hearts just aren't in this Brexit thing.
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19th October 2019, 10:22 AM	#1307
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,537	I still wonder how this can happen. The leave campaign and team had such a well organized and explained plan ready to implement the moment the referendum was done. And they had a majority in parliament. Plus a series of leaders that was willing to get right to it. And they'd already worked out all the details with the EU. But looking at it, it's almost as if there were impossible to deliver, mutually contradictory promises, made by people unwilling to actually take responsibility who then spent all the time going for personal power rather than actually delivering what they promised.

19th October 2019, 11:14 AM	#1308
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,426	Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal Boris has lost another vote ... Letwin amendment passed. And here's me thinking that Middlesbrough has had a ropey start to the season... If he was a football manager, he'd be out on his ear.

19th October 2019, 11:25 AM	#1309
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 18,775	The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win

19th October 2019, 01:31 PM	#1310
p0lka Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: near trees, houses and a lake. Posts: 2,885	Originally Posted by Francesca R The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win How so?

19th October 2019, 01:56 PM	#1311
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,795	Originally Posted by Francesca R The deal is more likely to pass now. Sir Oliver has actually helped let Johnson win But that isn't a win for Johnson, he still wants to engineer a no deal Brexit and this amendment thwarts him, that's why he didn't put his deal to a vote.
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19th October 2019, 02:11 PM	#1312
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19th October 2019, 02:12 PM	#1313
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 44,251	Boris now has his place in history. PM who lost the most votes.
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19th October 2019, 02:17 PM	#1314
Archie Gemmill Goal Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 8,324	He has sent the letter but not signed it, included a covering letter from a lackey and sent ANOTHER letter saying he doesn't want an extension at all. He seems to be doing his best to end up in jail, has one of his backers got a bet on that?

19th October 2019, 02:20 PM	#1315
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 18,775	Originally Posted by Garrison But that isn't a win for Johnson, he still wants to engineer a no deal Brexit and this amendment thwarts him, that's why he didn't put his deal to a vote. No deal just got less likely. That's what the Letwin amendment was for. Therefore more MPs are likely to vote for the deal than otherwise would have today. (Not that it's going to be a landslide)