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jimbob · 4th April 2020, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late.

Pretty much my feeling too.

Garrison · 4th April 2020, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Pretty much my feeling too.

And his supporters have taken control of the NEC, meaning he can make the changes he wants without fighting endless battles with the Corbynites, well at least he can make good use of the four more years before he gets a shot at removing Boris from Number 10 and hopefully make a better fist of putting the government on the spot over its practically non-existent Brexit policy.

P.J. Denyer · 4th April 2020, 11:59 AM

I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles.

SezMe · 5th April 2020, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Garrison

So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late.

Did Labo(u)r get a new head screw?

Ian Osborne · 6th April 2020, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Pretty much my feeling too.

Thirded

Darat · 6th April 2020, 06:27 AM

See we don’t need the EU https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other

catsmate · 6th April 2020, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

See we don’t need the EU https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other

Utterly unexpected.

jimbob · 7th April 2020, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles.

Corbyn might have been, but he likes Milne, who is pretty unsavoury.

catsmate · 8th April 2020, 03:18 AM

From this Reuters piece.

With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error.

quadraginta · 9th April 2020, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

From this Reuters piece.

With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error.

Some might say his entire administration is an error.

Captain_Swoop · 16th April 2020, 01:15 AM

Romanians flying into UK today to work on Lincolnshire farms
Farms worried that food will rot in fields hire from Eastern Europe after local recruitment fails

Quote:

Despite an 'excellent response', an appeal for British workers did not provide enough recruits

grimsbytelegraph.co.uk

Captain_Swoop · 16th April 2020, 01:25 AM

Now we're chartering planes to bring Romanians here to pick our fruit.
That is how desperate Britain is for immigrant workers.
And how dependent we are upon them.
They plan to import 1000 Romanian farm workers but it is way short of the 40,000 needed.
Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm.
This was always going to be an issue after Brexit, pandemic or not.

Wudang · 16th April 2020, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm.

I wonder how many who have signed up a) turn up and b) last more than 1 day.
I also wonder how many of those who stumble at those two hurdles have uttered the phrase: "They've never done an honest day's work in their lives."

Captain_Swoop · 16th April 2020, 03:34 AM

Some Tory wonk was on the radio earlier on about how increasing use of 'automation' would mean the need for so many farm workers would be reduced.

That's a help with the harvest in the meantime.
He had no ******* clue.
Maybe he thinks we can just use 3d printers to make strawberries and peas.

applecorped · 16th April 2020, 04:20 AM

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post11349239

applecorped · 16th April 2020, 04:23 AM

Darat · 16th April 2020, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post11349239

??

The Don · 16th April 2020, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

??

I presume that applecorped is pointing out that a lot of what is being brought up in this thread is what is currently happening or what has already happened rather than making predictions for the future - and that this has been going on for years.

Mid · 16th April 2020, 11:16 AM

UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f

SezMe · 16th April 2020, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Article on why legal experts tend to think that the Supreme Court ruling will go against the government

From that link:

Quote:

If the court determines that Johnson misled the Queen, that would make his position untenable, according to Dominic Grieve, the former Conservative attorney general.

What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)?

The Don · 16th April 2020, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f

Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position.

Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations.

The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately.

Mid · 17th April 2020, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position.

Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations.

The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately.

Of course! I should have remembered that especially if you include Italian prosecco producers into the list. I was so silly to doubt the government's wisdom and negotiating prowess

Wudang · 17th April 2020, 12:57 AM

Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.

Mojo · 17th April 2020, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.

Do you mean the ones on the M20?

Wudang · 17th April 2020, 01:37 AM

Well played.

Ulf Nereng · 17th April 2020, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mid

UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f

Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?

Captain_Swoop · 17th April 2020, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng

Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?

Boris: "Hold my beer."

erlando · 17th April 2020, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.

Yeah, those. You can keep those. No, really. It's ok...

P.J. Denyer · 17th April 2020, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris: "Hold my beer."

In other news new National Anthem Announced "Abide With Me"

a_unique_person · 17th April 2020, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

From that link:

What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)?

Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris.

shuttlt · 17th April 2020, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng

Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?

If we wait for a time when this forum doesn't think leaving the EU is going to bring ruin to the UK, its going to be a long long wait.

Darat · 17th April 2020, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris.

Yeah it’s an ancient practice in politics.

I expect many budding historians of the future will really have to try and get their heads around the concept that when caught doing something wrong a politician resigns, it is going to be inconceivable to future generations.

quadraginta · 17th April 2020, 07:33 PM

del

3point14 · 25th April 2020, 04:43 AM

Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they?

Austerity, as far as the eye can see...

The Don · 25th April 2020, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they?

Austerity, as far as the eye can see...

Yes and all negative consequences that cannot be blamed on the EU can be blamed on Coronavirus

3point14 · 25th April 2020, 05:22 AM

They get to do it all quietly, while nobody's looking. That's a result for them.

Mojo · 25th April 2020, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

In other news new National Anthem Announced "Abide With Me"

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I AGREE

P.J. Denyer · 25th April 2020, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

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I AGREE

Is that our post Brexit armoured division he's sat in?

SezMe · 25th April 2020, 08:30 PM

It's the latest incarnation of your mainline battle tank.

P.J. Denyer · 26th April 2020, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

It's the latest incarnation of your mainline battle tank.

Oh well, at least it should work now.

4th April 2020, 04:43 AM	#3161
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 26,130	Originally Posted by Garrison So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late. Pretty much my feeling too.
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4th April 2020, 07:09 AM	#3162
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,796	Originally Posted by jimbob Pretty much my feeling too. And his supporters have taken control of the NEC, meaning he can make the changes he wants without fighting endless battles with the Corbynites, well at least he can make good use of the four more years before he gets a shot at removing Boris from Number 10 and hopefully make a better fist of putting the government on the spot over its practically non-existent Brexit policy.
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4th April 2020, 11:59 AM	#3163
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,739	I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles.
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6th April 2020, 05:52 AM	#3165
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,476	Originally Posted by jimbob Pretty much my feeling too. Thirded
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6th April 2020, 06:27 AM	#3166
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5th April 2020, 06:38 PM	#3164
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 25,183	Originally Posted by Garrison So LAbour may finally have competent leadership, shame its about 2 years too late. Did Labo(u)r get a new head screw?

6th April 2020, 09:04 AM	#3167
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,093	Originally Posted by Darat See we don’t need the EU https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other Utterly unexpected.
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7th April 2020, 12:19 AM	#3168
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 26,130	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer I think Starmer is a good man and honest, I think Corbyn is too fwiw, but I think Starmer is competent, and (depressing as it is that this matters) he looks the part. I want to see him holding Johnson's feet to the fire until the entire Palace of Westminster is choking on the thick oily smoke of his burning soles. Corbyn might have been, but he likes Milne, who is pretty unsavoury.
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8th April 2020, 03:18 AM	#3169
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,093	Brexit and Covid-12 From this Reuters piece. With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence. Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error.
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9th April 2020, 05:21 AM	#3170
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,614	Originally Posted by catsmate From this Reuters piece. With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence. Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error. Some might say his entire administration is an error.
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16th April 2020, 01:15 AM	#3171
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,866	Romanians flying into UK today to work on Lincolnshire farms Farms worried that food will rot in fields hire from Eastern Europe after local recruitment fails Quote: Despite an 'excellent response', an appeal for British workers did not provide enough recruits grimsbytelegraph.co.uk

16th April 2020, 01:25 AM	#3172
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,866	Now we're chartering planes to bring Romanians here to pick our fruit. That is how desperate Britain is for immigrant workers. And how dependent we are upon them. They plan to import 1000 Romanian farm workers but it is way short of the 40,000 needed. Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm. This was always going to be an issue after Brexit, pandemic or not.
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16th April 2020, 02:45 AM	#3173
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 14,571	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Bear in mind also that the Brits who have signed up for farm work, two thirds of them have never worked on a farm. I wonder how many who have signed up a) turn up and b) last more than 1 day. I also wonder how many of those who stumble at those two hurdles have uttered the phrase: "They've never done an honest day's work in their lives."
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16th April 2020, 03:34 AM	#3174
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,866	Some Tory wonk was on the radio earlier on about how increasing use of 'automation' would mean the need for so many farm workers would be reduced. That's a help with the harvest in the meantime. He had no ******* clue. Maybe he thinks we can just use 3d printers to make strawberries and peas.

16th April 2020, 04:20 AM	#3175
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16th April 2020, 04:26 AM	#3177
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16th April 2020, 04:33 AM	#3178
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,448	Originally Posted by Darat ?? I presume that applecorped is pointing out that a lot of what is being brought up in this thread is what is currently happening or what has already happened rather than making predictions for the future - and that this has been going on for years.

16th April 2020, 11:16 AM	#3179
Mid Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,114	UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours: https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f
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16th April 2020, 06:26 PM	#3180
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 25,183	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Article on why legal experts tend to think that the Supreme Court ruling will go against the government From that link: Quote: If the court determines that Johnson misled the Queen, that would make his position untenable, according to Dominic Grieve, the former Conservative attorney general. What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)?

16th April 2020, 11:53 PM	#3181
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,448	Originally Posted by Mid UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours: https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position. Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations. The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately.

17th April 2020, 12:32 AM	#3182
Mid Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,114	Originally Posted by The Don Except of course that the UK is the one in the position of strength in the negotiations, and the Coronavirus induced economic crisis merely enhances that position. Those German car makers are doubtless hammering on Frau Merkel's door insisting that the UK is given tariff and quota free access to the EU market without having to adhere to any of the EU's rules or being subject to the jurisdiction of any EU organisations. The EU will doubtless announce that they agree to any and all of the UK's terms and furthermore they're very, very sorry for dragging things out and not doing so immediately. Of course! I should have remembered that especially if you include Italian prosecco producers into the list. I was so silly to doubt the government's wisdom and negotiating prowess
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17th April 2020, 12:57 AM	#3183
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 14,571	Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams.
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17th April 2020, 01:26 AM	#3184
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 36,003	Originally Posted by Wudang Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams. Do you mean the ones on the M20?
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17th April 2020, 01:37 AM	#3185
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 14,571	Well played.
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17th April 2020, 01:58 AM	#3186
Ulf Nereng Muse Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Norway Posts: 652	Originally Posted by Mid UK to refuse any Brexit transition because obviously the greatest economic crisis since at least the great depression is the time to seriously damage trade with your closest neighbours: https://www.ft.com/content/3c006614-...6-97987045517f Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse?

17th April 2020, 02:00 AM	#3187
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,866	Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse? Boris: "Hold my beer."

17th April 2020, 02:18 AM	#3188
erlando Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,295	Originally Posted by Wudang Don't forget also that without a deal the EU will have no access to our innovative jams. Yeah, those. You can keep those. No, really. It's ok...
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17th April 2020, 02:48 AM	#3189
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,739	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Boris: "Hold my beer." In other news new National Anthem Announced "Abide With Me"
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17th April 2020, 03:05 AM	#3190
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 44,267	Originally Posted by SezMe From that link: What does "untenable" mean? He's out as PM? He's lost power and can no longer be effective (is "no longer" too generous?)? Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris.
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17th April 2020, 03:43 AM	#3191
shuttlt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,131	Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng Perhaps the thinking is that the economy is so f***ed up anyway that it can hardly get worse? If we wait for a time when this forum doesn't think leaving the EU is going to bring ruin to the UK, its going to be a long long wait.
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17th April 2020, 06:33 AM	#3192
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 102,509	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Untenable means nothing to people like Trump or Boris. Yeah it’s an ancient practice in politics. I expect many budding historians of the future will really have to try and get their heads around the concept that when caught doing something wrong a politician resigns, it is going to be inconceivable to future generations.
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17th April 2020, 07:33 PM	#3193
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25th April 2020, 04:43 AM	#3194
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,278	Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they? Austerity, as far as the eye can see...
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25th April 2020, 05:10 AM	#3195
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,448	Originally Posted by 3point14 Johnsons's paymasters are going to engineer a no deal brexit when all this is over, aren't they? Austerity, as far as the eye can see... Yes and all negative consequences that cannot be blamed on the EU can be blamed on Coronavirus