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Old 19th November 2017, 02:25 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Zivan View Post
........where does this horrible, revolting, disgusting, unbelievably psychopathic idea of "karma" end?
When the woo pedlars start thinking.
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Old 19th November 2017, 03:10 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
All you people pick out the worst experience you can think of, but the spirit world teaches we live countless, suffering struggling lives, on this and other planets, and that is how the soul is refined. We go on to build better and better civilisations, and evolve to a far higher state than the current level of the human race. There will be injustice and inhumanity and tragedy, but all is ultimately redeemed and compensated over thousands of lifetimes.

The spirits say the current state of human evolution is like we are in kindergarten, but we will gradually evolve to higher levels as a family of souls.
There will be an end to the cycle of rebirths for the human race, and by that time we will be glorious beings of light. We then go on into eternity together.
At what point does the bong enter into this conglomeration of claptrap?

The bolded is a great example of the Kumbaya school of pseudo philosophical nonsense. "Today we are but children, but the spirits..." Believe whatever the hell you want, but extrapolating it to the human race as a whole isn't just silly, it's ridiculous.
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Old 19th November 2017, 03:36 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Zivan View Post
Where does this horrible, revolting, disgusting, unbelievably psychopathic idea of "karma" end?

Oh, that's easy. It ends when you're the fortunate and privileged one because you know that it's because you've earned it in previous lives and you've no obligation to help other people who are trapped in deprivation, disability or danger, because their lot in life.

And there, I believe, we see the origin of the idea and it's promotion.
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Old 19th November 2017, 04:06 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
All you people pick out the worst experience you can think of, ...
No. We demonstrate where your philosophies and comments are abhorrent, contradictory, inconsistent, and otherwise flawed.

You, however, completely ignore what is pointed out, whether it is the worst experience or not, because you have no argument against our points.

That said, I am out. I have no time for someone whose thought process is so tortuous, whose philosophy is so cruel, and who has admitted without prompting that he does not give a damn about anyone.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Interestingly enough, Hitler believed in the power and veracity of mediums, and regularly consulted them.
Strange that the spirit world did not attempt to dissuade him from his genocidal path.

Oh, no, wait. The spirits wanted him to do this as a way of helping the world progress. Or something.

https://www.salon.com/2002/02/27/hanussen/

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It couldn't have been Hitler's fault anyway, Scorpion has told us that "Angels of Karma" guide us to the life we need to live and

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No Hitler's soul would not have known what he was going to do. That would be totally inhibiting to the soul and it would not want to incarnate.


So Hitler's soul would not have wanted to incarnate and carry out these deeds but the "Angels of Karma" made him do it. Psychopathic winged bastards that they are.
As my link above shows, the spirits did communicate with Hitler, and told him he would become Chancellor, as well as predicting the burning of the Reichstag.
So, in Scorpion's world, that soul incarnates not knowing it will become a monster, in order to expunge past transgressions of which it has no memory. The spirits encourage this soul to continue on its path, knowing what the consequences will be.
The soul of Hitler then leaves his body in April 1945, and has its memory wiped clean, thus ensuring no lesson can be learned from its time as a monster.
This really is complete bilge, isn't it?
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Old Yesterday, 02:43 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
This really is complete bilge, isn't it?

Nine pages of thread, goodness knows how many rambling, contradictory, Scorpion posts and in the end it comes down these seven words.

/Thread?
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Old Yesterday, 03:59 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
When the woo pedlars start thinking.
Sadly not always, what often happens is that they start adding more and more nonsense to try and explain away another hole, in the end they just make it all the more contradictory.
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Old Yesterday, 08:29 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
You people keep demanding evidence for my claims that a spirit world exists. I keep telling you I can't give you objective evidence
Under knowledge theory there is a disproof of things like spirits and telepathy. I assume that when it is published people will gleefully try to tear it apart. It will have to stand on its own; I won't be able to appeal to emotion or wishful thinking.

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but if you went to a spiritualist church for long enough you might get subjective evidence for yourselves.

SO WHY DON'T YOU GO TO CHURCH? Then post your experiences here.

I suggest any of you that want to find out for yourselves if there is anything in spiritualism go to church every Sunday for at least a month. Bearing in mind that I went for two years before I had evidential messages that finally convince me that some mediums are genuine.
I was a devout Christian until I was a junior in high school. However, I didn't really begin questioning ideas like ghosts and telepathy until I was in college and began doing research. It happened again and again and again that something clearly not supernatural at all had been made to look impressive by withholding falsifying details. I was very annoyed by the dishonesty. Most of my close relatives are still Christians. I had neighbors who were Jehovah's Witnesses and visits from Mormon missionaries. My neighbor's on the other side were also devout Christians and even prayed for divine healing of my late wife.

It sounds to me like you are claiming that if you go to church and get some kind of feeling of contentment or perhaps a hunch about something that you will attribute it to a divine presence. I can get hunches and feelings of contentment without religion.
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Old Yesterday, 09:51 AM   #329
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I have a feeling this will fall on deaf ears but I am going to give a shot anyway. I used to be like you in a sense. I was raised Baptist. I started asking questions when things didn't make sense and was asked not to come back. from there I tried non-denominational but the same thing happened. I floated to paganism from there as it was as close to sense as I could get at the time for me. This ultimately led me to mediums/psychics, and classes/workshops that led me to believe I had this power also. I spent a great deal of time and money in Lilydale, NY. If you are not familiar this is a town of nothing but psychics. I used to believe I was getting amazing readings from a medium there. He kept his eyes closed as he read so I knew he was not judging my reactions and I was amazed. The big mistake he made? He taped the sessions for you to take with you. At one point I sat down and listened to one, then all the tapes in order. He wasn't nearly as accurate as I remember, I fed him his info without realizing it, and none of the readings were close to the one before. Memory is a funny thing and it's funny what you can make yourself believe if you want to enough. So I already did your experiment and came out clearer on the other side.
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Good story kali thanks.

It's amazing what a strong driver the "wanting to believe something" can be for many. We see it on these threads all the time, where no matter how ridiculous an idea is exposed as being, the believer just clings to it tenaciously. I think you predicted correctly, Scorpion will shrug off your pearls of wisdom.
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I am the prime example of a "lurker" on the board who was on the fence about things when I first got here. Thankfully you guys don't give up when the woo comes out. It helped me out of it. I am pretty sure that this belief is something Scorpion is desperately going to cling to no matter what. But it may help others.
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Old Today, 01:05 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Of course not all mediums are actually aware they're fake. Some manage to train themselves to perform cold readings without realising how they're doing it and sincerely believe in their own 'gift'.
Me in high school as a small scale example. Looked the part of a spooky goth and devloped quite the reputation. Actually made a bit of money and gained some female friends (lost two to be fair, after hitting on a pregnancy.).

Wasnt until I got some training at a call center for sales that I realized I was just using the same techniques.
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