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20th January 2005, 10:13 PM | #1 |
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A question for atheists here.
If you found out tomorrow that God exists, would you follow Him? Would you submit yourself to His will?
Most atheists believe that God is some kind of monster, so I'm interested in knowing that even if He revealed Himself unto you, would you follow Him? |
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Matthew 10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in HELL. |
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20th January 2005, 10:18 PM | #2 |
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Look who's back.
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20th January 2005, 10:34 PM | #8 |
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He said "pray" not "pay." But just as an aside, I'd also be interested in selling, so if anybody is looking for a soul in top condition, hardly used ... |
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In the literal sense? Depends on where he's going.
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Only if we had agreed upon a safe word. You saw how badly that went for the guy last time. [Biblical euphamisms] Yes, I would throw myself at the feet of God, and be subject to the hands of God. I would see the second *coming*, and say in the end that I had known God. [/Biblical euphamisms] Is your God supposed to have tentacles? I've always wanted to see what real tentacle-lovin' would be like.
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1inChrist,
If you found out tomorrow that God and the Devil were not separate beings but one single being - would you submit to his will and follow his word? |
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21st January 2005, 12:17 AM | #15 |
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[Shatner]"Why... would... god... need... a starship?"[/Shatner] Hell is fictional too. Besides, I was born in Arizona and I've been to Terra Haute. What hell can be worse than that? I mock Hell and your pathetic fear of imaginary real estate. Isn't it funny that your alleged saviour's book tells you to "turn the other cheek", yet you spend your time imagining horrible violent punishments for those that do not share your convictions? Are you that afraid of those different from yourself? I'd be willing to sell my soul as well. Tell your Satan that I'm ready to make a deal. I'll even offer it for timeshares, if tempters from other pantheons are interested. It's practically new, I hardly ever soul with it. You keep asking what would happen if god revealed himself "tomorrow". Why not right now? He's two millenia late as it is, what is keeping him? I think you've been stood up, dude. Besides, being straight, I'd only submit to the will of a female god. Good thing Eris admits she is fictional. |
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21st January 2005, 12:47 AM | #16 |
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Another hit-and-run thread by 1inchChrist.
.. Or rather, a swipe-at-thin-air-and-scuttle-back-under-the-stone thread . But, what the h..., I'll reply: If God turned up tomorrow and proved that he was indeed the omnipotent/omniscient/benevolent god christians have been talking about, I'd first ask him what he has been doing the last couple of thousand years, and if the answer was satisfactory (like "I've been off mending another universe that wuz even worse off than this one"), yes, I would probably follow him. Hans |
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21st January 2005, 01:26 AM | #17 |
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This is a joke, right?
I mean, you can't possibly have forgotten massive heap of answers you got the last twenty-seven or so times you asked this exact same question a few months ago, right? Oh, and by the way... I WON THIS DEBATE. |
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Nice to see he's thought up lots of new material since 10th December.
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Hmmmm... even if God was real I don't think I would be able to submit to his will. I mean, I could lie, but I am pretty sure he would realize that. In the end it is really God's fault that he gave me free will and a small fraction of reasoning to see how he wouldn't be worthy of my worship.
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Big bottom...big bottom...talk about bumcakes, my God's got 'em. Big bottom, drive me outta my mind. How can I leave this....behind?
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If I had proof that God existed tomorrow, I would acknowledge Him/Her/It.
Whether or not I "submit to God's will" would depend entirely upon what kind of ...person/god/being God is. Ultimately, I am a moral being* and responsible for my own conduct. If "submitting to God's will" requires me to do something that is against my own conscious, then I would not submit. If, however, whatever God will is just and fair, then I suppose I might submit. I find the Biblical Old Testament God to be neither just nor fair. I find the New Testament God to be much better over all, but rather questionable in some of the finer details. So, I would not submit to the OT God at all. I might submit to the NT God assuming various points were cleared up. As far as believing that God is a monster, as has been pointed out, I do not believe the Christian God exists and therefore do not consider Him a monster. Whenever I do make an argument to that effect, it is because I am making a point based on someone else's beliefs and drawing logical conclusions from those beliefs. For example, if someone were to assume that God was an omni-benevolent, omnipotent controller of the universe, it would be logically inconsistent with the fact that pain exists in the universe, etc. * I'm using "moral being" in the sense that I am capable of possessing morals, good, bad, or indifferent. I am not using it in the sense that I am a upstanding person with good morals. |
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Submitting to someone's will involves doing exactly what they tell you regardless of how you feel about it. My answer is therefore an unequivocal NO. I'd be pissed off in the extreme if god turned up tomorrow and expected me not to use the free will it had given me. Of course I don't believe that god exists and thus seriously doubt that it'll turn up tomorrow, or any other time. |
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Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, presumably wise being WANT to be worshipped? I have never heard a satisfactory answer to this question.
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And no, if I were to find out "God", as seen through your eyes, existed tomorrow, I would not follow him. Someone's got to stand up to the bastard. There are principles at stake, here. Maybe if enough of his creations tell him he's a jerk, oh, he may destroy us and burn us forever and torture us to prove his Godly Power, but he'll think on it. |
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