If at first you don't succeed...

Nay_Sayer · 29th January 2019, 10:42 AM

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I thought we got past this with Kitzmiller v. Dover.

RecoveringYuppy · 29th January 2019, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

I thought we got past this with Kitzmiller v. Dover.

That would be a really wrong take away from Kitzmiller v. Dover for two reasons: That case itself was already an attempt at repackaging creationism in way to get around existing law from earlier cases; The evidence presented during the trail included evidence that creationists were already working on yet another repackaging.

Thermal · 29th January 2019, 11:16 AM

Schools shall teach 'different worldviews' on climate and evolution. Oh, yeah.

Maybe they will teach different worldviews on how those presents got under the Christmas tree, too.

Apathia · 29th January 2019, 11:40 AM

Izanagi and Izanami are waiting to be included in the curriculum.

Nay_Sayer · 29th January 2019, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

That would be a really wrong take away from Kitzmiller v. Dover for two reasons: That case itself was already an attempt at repackaging creationism in way to get around existing law from earlier cases; The evidence presented during the trail included evidence that creationists were already working on yet another repackaging.

You're right. I do think Judge Jones statement, however, applies here;

Quote:

"To be sure, Darwin's theory of evolution is imperfect," Judge Jones wrote. "However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."[1]

[1]https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/e...nt-design.html

RecoveringYuppy · 29th January 2019, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

You're right. I do think Judge Jones statement, however, applies here;

Of course. But the liars will continue to lie.

Thor 2 · 29th January 2019, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Schools shall teach 'different worldviews' on climate and evolution. Oh, yeah.

Maybe they will teach different worldviews on how those presents got under the Christmas tree, too.

And don't forget the stork theory of reproduction.

Driven by religious zeal these guys just never give in.

Apathia · 29th January 2019, 04:12 PM

And they absolutely must include Slartibartfast, and the Time Bandits.

Trebuchet · 29th January 2019, 07:33 PM

Don't forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

arthwollipot · 29th January 2019, 08:26 PM

The Great Green Arkleseizure!

Bikewer · 31st January 2019, 06:27 AM

I have no issue as long as the class is appropriately described:

Critical Thinking 101.... Debunking psuedoscience.

29th January 2019, 10:42 AM	#1
Nay_Sayer I say nay! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,678	If at first you don't succeed... https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...hVhzSQXvlOeeLo I thought we got past this with Kitzmiller v. Dover.
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29th January 2019, 10:47 AM	#2
RecoveringYuppy Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,632	Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer I thought we got past this with Kitzmiller v. Dover. That would be a really wrong take away from Kitzmiller v. Dover for two reasons: That case itself was already an attempt at repackaging creationism in way to get around existing law from earlier cases; The evidence presented during the trail included evidence that creationists were already working on yet another repackaging.
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29th January 2019, 11:16 AM	#3
Thermal Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NJ USA. We Don't Like You Either Posts: 7,469	Schools shall teach 'different worldviews' on climate and evolution. Oh, yeah. Maybe they will teach different worldviews on how those presents got under the Christmas tree, too.
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29th January 2019, 11:40 AM	#4
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29th January 2019, 12:08 PM	#5
Nay_Sayer I say nay! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,678	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy That would be a really wrong take away from Kitzmiller v. Dover for two reasons: That case itself was already an attempt at repackaging creationism in way to get around existing law from earlier cases; The evidence presented during the trail included evidence that creationists were already working on yet another repackaging. You're right. I do think Judge Jones statement, however, applies here; Quote: "To be sure, Darwin's theory of evolution is imperfect," Judge Jones wrote. "However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."[1] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/e...nt-design.html
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29th January 2019, 12:16 PM	#6
RecoveringYuppy Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,632	Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer You're right. I do think Judge Jones statement, however, applies here; Of course. But the liars will continue to lie.
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29th January 2019, 01:00 PM	#7
Thor 2 Illuminator Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 4,935	Originally Posted by Thermal Schools shall teach 'different worldviews' on climate and evolution. Oh, yeah. Maybe they will teach different worldviews on how those presents got under the Christmas tree, too. And don't forget the stork theory of reproduction. Driven by religious zeal these guys just never give in.
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29th January 2019, 04:12 PM	#8
Apathia Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 5,083	And they absolutely must include Slartibartfast, and the Time Bandits.
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29th January 2019, 07:33 PM	#9
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29th January 2019, 08:26 PM	#10
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31st January 2019, 06:27 AM	#11
Bikewer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 12,452	I have no issue as long as the class is appropriately described: Critical Thinking 101.... Debunking psuedoscience.