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Old 5th February 2019, 01:41 PM   #1
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Pope admits clerical abuse of nuns including sexual slavery

Unbelievable.

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Pope Francis has admitted that clerics have sexually abused nuns, and in one case they were kept as sex slaves.

He said in that case his predecessor, Pope Benedict, was forced to shut down an entire congregation of nuns who were being abused by priests.
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Old 5th February 2019, 01:46 PM   #2
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Nope sounds about par for the course. Better than a lot because at least this time it wasn't kids.
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"The sexual abuse of nuns by priests and the resulting “scandal” of religious sisters having abortions or giving birth to children not recognised by their fathers has been condemned in an article in the Vatican’s women’s magazine, published on Friday (1 February)."

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/113...uns-by-priests

So do those Nuns get excomunicated and damned to hell like when an 8 year old is raped by her stepfather and is pregnant with twins or is there special non damnation ways of dealing with it?
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Pope acknowledges sex abuse of nuns by priests

Was actually wondering when this would happen, as it is the obvious extension of the other behaviour.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8765031.html
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Pedophiles, anti-gay gay guys, and now sexual-assaulting men, and maybe the worst of them all, men covering it all up ... disgusting how the worst men seem to be attracted to the priesthood.
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Old 5th February 2019, 10:39 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Pedophiles, anti-gay gay guys, and now sexual-assaulting men, and maybe the worst of them all, men covering it all up ... disgusting how the worst men seem to be attracted to the priesthood.
I think you might mean "people"

Men don't have a monopoly on the ability to speak
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post

Men don't have a monopoly on the ability to speak
In the catholic curch they do.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Pedophiles, anti-gay gay guys, and now sexual-assaulting men, and maybe the worst of them all, men covering it all up ... disgusting how the worst men seem to be attracted to the priesthood.
What would you expect from people who join a fringe occupation?

What other occupations can we compare to, something you don't see past the facade- clowns? cops? judges? ooh, ooh, I know- Politicians!
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What would you expect from people who join a fringe occupation?

What other occupations can we compare to, something you don't see past the facade- clowns? cops? judges? ooh, ooh, I know- Politicians!
Lol, what point are you trying to make here?

Also, are you a Catholic? Or are you just a run of the mill religious apologist?
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
In the catholic curch they do.
Only if every person that works for them has no tongue
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I think you might mean "people"

Men don't have a monopoly on the ability to speak
Who, besides the men in the Catholic church hierarchy, have been covering this all up?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Only if every person that works for them has no tongue
Who were these 'people' that looked the other way? A Sister Superior or two?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Who, besides the men in the Catholic church hierarchy, have been covering this all up?
Well I would imagine, cleaners, volunteer workers, cooks, and to be frank, the nuns themselves.

Unless they are the most best hiders of dodgy stuff the world has known
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To me personally the worst bit of this is the lack of actually getting authorities in.

But hey, it's the church and they can keep **** in house for some weird reason
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Well I would imagine, cleaners, volunteer workers, cooks, and to be frank, the nuns themselves.

Unless they are the most best hiders of dodgy stuff the world has known
You got any evidence of all these ancillary people who looked the other way? This is the first I've heard of this hypothesis.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You got any evidence of all these ancillary people who looked the other way? This is the first I've heard of this hypothesis.
Fair call

No I don't. So let's go with your theory that absolutely no one knew about it including the nuns
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Fair call

No I don't. So let's go with your theory that absolutely no one knew about it including the nuns
So the victims were responsible because they didn't turn the priests in?
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So the victims were responsible because they didn't turn the priests in?
Their superiors were if they knew about it.

Though I don't know why you are saying responsible.

I would have said collusion or accessories
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Their superiors were if they knew about it.

Though I don't know why you are saying responsible.

I would have said collusion or accessories
I suspect you don't know much about the Vatican and the church hierarchy. It's all men in charge and mostly men that work in the church.

We know it was men who looked the other way with the pedophiles. I'll keep an open mind that some women in the nunneries were guilty of covering up sexual abuse.

But lest you think I don't think any women in the Catholic Church have awful sins on their consciences, that's not true. They very much have a history of abusing (though not sexually) unwed mothers and maybe others, especially orphans.

God wants people to suffer in order to grow is an actual Catholic tenet.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I suspect you don't know much about the Vatican and the church hierarchy. It's all men in charge and mostly men that work in the church.

We know it was men who looked the other way with the pedophiles. I'll keep an open mind that some women in the nunneries were guilty of covering up sexual abuse.

But lest you think I don't think any women in the Catholic Church have awful sins on their consciences, that's not true. They very much have a history of abusing (though not sexually) unwed mothers and maybe others, especially orphans.

God wants people to suffer in order to grow is an actual Catholic tenet.
And I don't think you know much about nuns if you think they don't have a hirearchy and don't have leaders and actually talk
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And I don't think you know much about nuns if you think they don't have a hirearchy and don't have leaders and actually talk
I didn't say they didn't have a hierarchy, I asked for evidence they knew about abuse of nuns by priests and looked the other way.

But my point was the two hierarchies aren't directly intertwined. I could be wrong but I don't believe the nuns have any positions in the Vatican.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I didn't say they didn't have a hierarchy, I asked for evidence they knew about abuse of nuns by priests and looked the other way.

But my point was the two hierarchies aren't directly intertwined. I could be wrong but I don't believe the nuns have any positions in the Vatican.
Fair enough

We will go with your theory till proven otherwise.

No one in any nunnery at a high position noticed anything untoward, or the many other workers for the Vatican and no nuns said anything to any one.

Bit of a pointless argument tbf, given the priests were the scum and the church are the ones who seem to be incapable of thinking cops might be handy.
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You'd have to be a brave man to abuse a Catholic nun. Maybe catch them off-guard when they're getting their breath back after beating a starving orphan.
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I'm looking forward to The Big Dog's comments on this.

TBD? Your thoughts? How are you gonna "Oy Vey" this?
The catholic church is no more likely to have a group of nuns as sex slaves than any other group....
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Hasn't this been going on for a really long time? I vaguely recall reading about nunneries centuries ago that were plagued by "incubi" that cunningly assumed the form of the priests who were in charge.
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Apparently the Church uses the Shakesperean meaning of 'nunnery'...

But seriously, this is disgusting. I was baptised Catholic, and so far I've never taken the effort to have myself stricken from the baptismal records, because it's a lot of hassle and I don't believe it really has any effect anyway... but perhaps I should make the effort.
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Reputational risk is big in any organization. Circling the wagons is standard operating procedure for every institution or corporation on the planet.

Maybe the issues at Michigan State don’t happen if a female was in charge. Oh, wait....

These are bad men doing bad things and covering them up. Just like there can be bad men or bad women in any institution covering up bad behavior.

Shouldn’t be a gender thing. Shouldn’t even be a religion thing. These folks clearly aren’t living the faith they profess. Neither are teachers or doctors etc.

I wish organizations would deal with bad people and not first protect the image of their entity.
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Who, besides the men in the Catholic church hierarchy, have been covering this all up?
Clearly it is blaming the victims for not pursing this aggressively through secular authorities.
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Keep advocating clerical celibacy, RCC. What could go wrong?
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Keep advocating clerical celibacy, RCC. What could go wrong?
I'm still amazed that the RCC hasn't decided to enter the 17th century and allow women to be priests and priests to marry. It would be a big step forward for them, would certainly help curb this sort of devilish acts, and make the church more accessible. There's literally no downside unless you think it will reduce your power as a man, which is ridiculous.
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What would you expect from people who join a fringe occupation?



What other occupations can we compare to, something you don't see past the facade- clowns? cops? judges? ooh, ooh, I know- Politicians!
School teachers.
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Keep advocating clerical celibacy, RCC. What could go wrong?
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk from the slaves?
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Why buy the cow when you can get the milk from the slaves?
They can get married and have regular slaves like the rest of us. Sheesh.
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I think you might mean "people"



Men don't have a monopoly on the ability to speak
They pretty much do in the RCC.
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Unfortunately, it is all too believable.

After all, there have been numerous and well documented cases of sexual abuse which have been public knowledge for over 30 years now. And yet, in all of this time the Catholic Church still has continually failed and/or refused to get their minds about this issue even though this is the type of issue that will readily hurt (and possibly kill) the Catholic Church itself.
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What would you expect from people who join a fringe occupation?

What other occupations can we compare to, something you don't see past the facade- clowns? cops? judges? ooh, ooh, I know- Politicians!
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Lol, what point are you trying to make here?

Also, are you a Catholic? Or are you just a run of the mill religious apologist?

Irritating isn't it?

Some peoples line of argument is just to say "But, but, but, these other people are doing the same thing ..... so there". The effect is to lessen the perception of the deed being done being so severe.
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I'm still amazed that the RCC hasn't decided to enter the 17th century and allow women to be priests and priests to marry. It would be a big step forward for them, would certainly help curb this sort of devilish acts, and make the church more accessible. There's literally no downside unless you think it will reduce your power as a man, which is ridiculous.
Early 16th century if you include Luther, who still thought of himself as a faithful Catholic monk when he began disputing clerical vows of celibacy. He didn’t marry for a couple of decades either, so he was not simply finding himself an excuse.
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