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Old Yesterday, 03:44 PM   #1921
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
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- I don't think that makes sense. H is simply, "Everything is physical." Everything includes what I experience as a sense of self. IOW, H includes my kind of self.
And H says that, being physical, your sense of self is not separate from your body and could not possibly look out of two sets of eyes. So if you're talking about a sense of self that is not separate from your body and could not possibly look out of two sets of eyes, then we're talking about the kind of self that exists in H.
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Old Today, 01:16 AM   #1922
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Dave,
- I don't think that makes sense. H is simply, "Everything is physical." Everything includes what I experience as a sense of self. IOW, H includes my kind of self.

No, if H is the hypothesis that everything is physical, it does not include immaterial souls.
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Old Today, 01:20 AM   #1923
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
Dave,
- All that H claims is that there is nothing nonphysical. The self to which we are all referring is included by that "nothing."

H says that that kind of "self" doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
- I'm going to skip the first issue for now. I think we should focus on the second.
- I might actually agree with you here.
- I've already said that consciousness could be just another version of physical.

Nobody has suggested that "selves" are "another version of physical". Under H consciousness is the result of the sort of physical processes we observe. H does not suggest that there are other "versions of physical".
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Anyway, Jabba, back to the question I asked that you have once again failed to address:

- if we take H as being the hypothesis that you have an immortal soul in addition to your body, do you think that your current existence is evidence against H?
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
No, if H is the hypothesis that everything is physical, it does not include immaterial souls.
Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
Anyway, Jabba, back to the question I asked that you have once again failed to address:

- if we take H as being the hypothesis that you have an immortal soul in addition to your body, do you think that your current existence is evidence against H?
Are you trying to confuse Jabba?
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I'm trying to get him to answer a question.
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