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Old 8th October 2016, 07:53 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by SashatheMagnificent View Post
I was under the impression that you are US citizen. Sorry
Oh, you meant a pass from the US, using 'you' as a stand in for my country.

Yes he does. Putin could not get away with invading neighbors or propping up a client state without the US setting it out. Hell, he couldn't get away with it without any four members of NATO setting it out. Depending on the members, any one. He's not as powerful as he plays, because Russia's military might isn't that great right now, and it's economic might is even further behind.
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Old 8th October 2016, 08:54 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Oh, you meant a pass from the US, using 'you' as a stand in for my country.

Yes he does. Putin could not get away with invading neighbors or propping up a client state without the US setting it out. Hell, he couldn't get away with it without any four members of NATO setting it out. Depending on the members, any one. He's not as powerful as he plays, because Russia's military might isn't that great right now, and it's economic might is even further behind.
This is not what you were talking about
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Old 9th October 2016, 07:24 AM   #43
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This plays into the storyline of Trump as Putin's pmuppet

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/161af...ssian-response

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GENEVA (AP) — Russia lodged a formal complaint last month with the United Nations over a top U.N. official's condemnations of Donald Trump and some European politicians, an intervention that underscores the unusual links between the Republican presidential nominee and the Kremlin.

There is no evidence Trump sought Russia's assistance, or was even aware of the criticism by Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights.
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Old 9th October 2016, 09:53 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Are you claiming now that Trump owed them lots of money too?
??

How in the world did you translate what I said into that?
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Old 9th October 2016, 10:03 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
??

How in the world did you translate what I said into that?
Your entire thesis in this thread is that Trump is easy to manipulate if he owes you money.
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Old 9th October 2016, 11:27 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
??

How in the world did you translate what I said into that?
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Your entire thesis in this thread is that Trump is easy to manipulate if he owes you money.
Precisely. That was your stated reason for why Trump would be under Putin's control: this idea (which you invented out of whole cloth) that he owed Putin lots of money. But since you're now claiming that Hillary can control Trump too, and debt is your stated reason for how Trump can be controlled, then it seems reasonable to wonder if you think Hillary is controlling Trump because of a debt he owes her. I mean, if you're going to invent a debt to Putin, why not invent a debt to Hillary too. Your theory didn't make sense from the beginning, I shouldn't expect it to start making sense now.
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Old 9th October 2016, 12:52 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Your entire thesis in this thread is that Trump is easy to manipulate if he owes you money.
No, it's that he's easily manipulated, period.

Money is just how Putin would have done it. Hillary did it with Muchado, the Kahns, etc. The Mexican President used Trump's bravado against him.
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Old 9th October 2016, 12:58 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
No, it's that he's easily manipulated, period.

Money is just how Putin would have done it.
With huge sums of money that Trump magically owes Putin. Even though Trump doesn't care about defaulting. And he never borrowed from Putin in the first place.

Putin's money really is powerful!
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Okee doke.
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‘The level of business amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars, what he received as a result of interaction with Russian businessmen.’

Ross repeated with emphasis, “Hundreds of millions of dollars from Russian businessmen?” and Millian responded with a nod and a firm, “Correct.”


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Old 9th October 2016, 06:19 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
"He says he assisted Trump with marketing the sale of his condos in Russia."

Oh Noes! Trump sold condos to Russians! That must mean that he owes them lots of money because... no, that's not right... when you sell something to someone, you don't owe them anything after the transaction is complete, and while the transaction is in process, they owe you money, not the other way around.

Maybe those condos were packed with uranium. There's got to be a scandal in here somewhere.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Money is just how Putin would have done it.
What money would that have been, NoahFence?
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What money would that have been, NoahFence?
I've already said. If you're having a hard time with the English language I suggest a visit to amazon.com and maybe Rosetta Stone will fix it.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
I've already said.
You said that Trump owed Putin money. But he doesn't.
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Okee doke. As long as you're convinced I guess we're good.

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Okee doke. As long as you're convinced I guess we're good.

You made a claim, but can't produce any evidence for it. What you presented as evidence wasn't anything of the sort. I'm not the one with a tenuous grasp of reality here.
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People in Trump's inner circle (Paul Manafort for one) have unquestioned ties to Russian Oligarchy.

This is a simple fact.

deal with it.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
People in Trump's inner circle (Paul Manafort for one) have unquestioned ties to Russian Oligarchy.

This is a simple fact.

deal with it.
Since when having a person in your inner circle equates that you owe money to someone linked to that person?
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You made a claim, but can't produce any evidence for it.
How hypocritical.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Okee doke. As long as you're convinced I guess we're good.

: rolleyes :
When did you first realize that Donald Trump owed a lot of money to Vladimir Putin?
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Since when having a person in your inner circle equates that you owe money to someone linked to that person?
Why else would he be in his inner circle?

Couple this with his almost pathological need to praise Putin at every turn.
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Why else would he be in his inner circle?

Couple this with his almost pathological need to praise Putin at every turn.
"Almost pathological" is another way of saying "not actually pathological". Which forces us to conclude that Hillary Clinton owes Barack Obama a lot of money. Observe:

Hillary Clinton has people in her inner circle who are linked to Barack Obama. Why else would they be there, unless Clinton owes Obama money?

Couple that with her not actually pathological need to praise Obama at every turn. In fact, I bet Hillary says nice things about Obama in public, more often than Trump does about Putin.
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Why else would he be in his inner circle?
Why else? Perhaps because Manafort is a lickspittle, and Trump likes that sort. No need to appeal to phantasmal debts. Really, the known truth is bad enough, you don't need to invent conspiracies.
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"Almost pathological" is another way of saying "not actually pathological". Which forces us to conclude that Hillary Clinton owes Barack Obama a lot of money. Observe:

Hillary Clinton has people in her inner circle who are linked to Barack Obama. Why else would they be there, unless Clinton owes Obama money?

Couple that with her not actually pathological need to praise Obama at every turn. In fact, I bet Hillary says nice things about Obama in public, more often than Trump does about Putin.


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Why else would he be in his inner circle?

Couple this with his almost pathological need to praise Putin at every turn.
You have a wild wild imagination
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http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Does TIME magazine?
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Yep. The problem isn't so much that Trump has already loans with Russian oligarchs, but that he needs them for any future loans:
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But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
And for all intents and purposes, those Russian oligarchs will do what Putin wants them to, because they owe their position to him.
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Read the article. It is all speculation not a single shred of evidence
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On the general subject; it has now been proven that the Podesta emails "leaked" by the WikiLeaks organization have at the very least been heavily edited in a malicious way.
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Read the article. It is all speculation not a single shred of evidence
What the he'll is going on when Sasha is being the voice of reason?
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Newsweek

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Updated | I am Sidney Blumenthal. At least, that is what Vladimir Putin—and, somehow, Donald Trump—seem to believe. And that should raise concerns not only about Moscow’s attempts to manipulate this election, but also how Trump came to push Russian disinformation to American voters.
http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-...k-508635?rm=eu

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This false story was only reported by the Russian controlled agency (a reference appeared in a Turkish publication, but it was nothing but a link to the Sputnik article). So how did Donald Trump end up advancing the same falsehood put out by Putin’s mouthpiece?
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Nope. Nothing to see here.

Just rambling, incoherent statements from me, that's all. Nothing corroborated.

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WHat cracks me up is if a Democrat had these ties to Putin, some of the Trump defensers here would be screaming for blood.
And forget if Trump Owes Russian interests money or not, his admiration for a dictator like PUtin is not something I like to see in a President.
Umm, you mean like Obama kow-towing to the Saudi emperor?

And didn't Hill broker a deal for radioactive material with the Russkies? Via her foundation? Seems it's her bread that is buttered by Putin.
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Umm, you mean like Obama kow-towing to the Saudi emperor?

And didn't Hill broker a deal for radioactive material with the Russkies? Via her foundation? Seems it's her bread that is buttered by Putin.
It's all of them. Politicians are the US's biggest vulnerability.
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This is very interesting, since it's very much like the classical Mole Hunt method: see who is the only one with the fake top secret information, in this case Blumenthal instead of Eichenwald. At the very least it proves that Trump has someone actively monitoring Russian media for dirt on Clinton.
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Where in the article is it written Trump owes money
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Curious, you think that someone would have said that Trump was the beneficiary of the hacks when they hacked Colin Powell who said stuff like:

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But a hack of Mr. Powell’s email this week has ripped away the diplomatic jargon and political niceties to reveal his unvarnished disdain of Donald J. Trump as a “national disgrace,”
Hmm, I also seem to recall that these hacked emails were gleefully repeated by Clinton's minions.

I guess Clinton owes Putin money or something.

Nice of Obama to get off his lame duck ass when the emails leaks started hurting Hillary, huh?
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Old 11th October 2016, 06:59 PM   #78
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You think Hillary is more manageable than Trump?
Come on. Trump has already been played like a fiddle multiple times. Hillary's done it. The Mexican President did it.


Oh, believe me, I'm in no way defending Trump. He's just as bad as the Democrats, if not worse. I'm just saying Trump's more unpredictable. Putin couldn't know for certain that Trump would stay bought. As far as being played like a fiddle, it's entirely possible that Trump would be played like a fiddle just as much as President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry have been by Putin for the last eight years. Trump wasn't president during the invasion of Ukraine or Putin propping up Assad in Syria. Really, it's hard to see how relations with Russia could actually get worse without full blown war breaking out. But I'm not claiming that Trump would do any better.

As far as all of Trump's financial dealings, again, Clinton's just as bad, if not worse. Yes, the big scandal everyone remembers from the Clinton years is Bill Clinton admitting to perjury, suborning perjury, and obstruction of justice in the Jones v. Clinton civil suit, but the majority of the Clinton scandals involving both Bill and Hillary were financial in nature. Everything from Hillary's cattle future bribes and the Whitewater scam before they were even in Washington, to millions of dollars in "donations" from Saudi Arabia for the Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor to Hugh Rodham's Cash4Pardons scam when the Clinton's were getting ready to leave the White House, just about everything was about the dollars for them.

Me personally, I think we're all ****** either way.
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Old 13th October 2016, 06:01 AM   #79
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And didn't Hill broker a deal for radioactive material with the Russkies? Via her foundation? Seems it's her bread that is buttered by Putin.
Not really, but nice repetition of a Faux News talking point.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/no-...-uranium-deal/
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I'll just leave that there.

A server that communicates directly from Trump Tower to banks in Russia?

Nah, still. Nothing to see here!
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