US Officially Blames Russia - Page 5

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

The Washington Pest gets more ridiculous every day. That's what they want their readers to know (as cited by the fearful Swede):

Period. That's what readers of RT get to know:

Easy to locate the Reuters item:

Tee-hee. The miserable propagandists at the WP have their knickers in a bunch.

I'm still waiting for that evidence he has proving those sexual assaults didnnt occur.

Childlike Empress · 1st January 2017, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I'm still waiting for that evidence he has proving those sexual assaults didnnt occur.

Why should he? Nobody will sue.

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Why should he? Nobody will sue.

Because he said he would. Once you say that, the other parties don't matter.

Childlike Empress · 1st January 2017, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Because he said he would. Once you say that, the other parties don't matter.

Ok, i'll take you by your word for it, but didn't he also say there are more important things to do first? From the article it seems there is a bit of a sense that if anyone sues, it will be him.

Anyway, looking forward to Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe one of the leakers has turned himself in to the president-elect? That would be fun. Murray thought in the interview that this is a possible development.

WilliamSeger · 1st January 2017, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I wouldn't personally support impeachment for non crimes.

I survived the horrible adminstrations of Reagan, bush, Clinton,bush, Obama. I think we will make it.

On Day 1, Trump's bank account will be growing with pay-to-play money from foreign lobbyists, which is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. This is not a minor technicality, since DJT has never once in his life shown that he puts anything above his own self-interest.

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

On Day 1, Trump's bank account will be growing with pay-to-play money from foreign lobbyists, which is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. This is not a minor technicality, since DJT has never once in his life shown that he puts anything above his own self-interest.

You have no proof.

NoahFence · 1st January 2017, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I wouldn't personally support impeachment for non crimes.

I survived the horrible adminstrations of Reagan, bush, Clinton,bush, Obama. I think we will make it.

All former or current governors or members of Congress when they took office.

They had constituents to answer to. Trump has never answered to anyone, and he's not going to start now.

(Well, except Putin)

We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground. A total buffoon in the white house? An actual moron?

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

All former or current governors or members of Congress when they took office.

They had constituents to answer to. Trump has never answered to anyone, and he's not going to start now.

(Well, except Putin)

We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground. A total buffoon in the white house? An actual moron?

I don't have much higher opinions of the other 5. It would be a feat to be worse than the others.

Arcade22 · 1st January 2017, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Tee-hee. The miserable propagandists at the WP have their knickers in a bunch.

It's really bizarre. You accuse the journalists at the Washington post of being "propagandists" yet you cite a news article from RT, a Russian propaganda operation masking as a news agency and whose sole function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda in western countries.

The mere fact that you cite RT first even above the direct Reuters article renders anything and everything you post suspect since they, and by inference you, have no regards for the truth whatsoever. It's not like you did it out of ignorance, unaware that they are a Russian propaganda outlet.

zorro99 · 1st January 2017, 08:35 AM

“I know a lot about hacking,” he said, “and hacking is a very hard thing to prove, so it could be somebody else.”

He added, cryptically, that he also knows “things that other people don’t know. And so they cannot be sure of the situation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a87ca691b2c2

Trump knows all about these matters! So Trust him!

WilliamSeger · 1st January 2017, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

You have no proof.

Well, a Congressional committee can just subpoena the records from Trump International Hotel for a start. They don't have to prove that lobbyists actually get special treatment for staying there; the fact that their money is going into DJT's bank account is all that's necessary. Of course, impeachment depends on Republicans deciding they want to toss him out, but I think a lot of Trump supporters are being naive about that possibility. I think there's a possibility that they already have a plan in place, because they'd much rather have Pence in office, and hopefully they realize that DJT could live in indelible stench on the Republican Party.

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

Well, a Congressional committee can just subpoena the records from Trump International Hotel for a start. They don't have to prove that lobbyists actually get special treatment for staying there; the fact that their money is going into DJT's bank account is all that's necessary. Of course, impeachment depends on Republicans deciding they want to toss him out, but I think a lot of Trump supporters are being naive about that possibility. I think there's a possibility that they already have a plan in place, because they'd much rather have Pence in office, and hopefully they realize that DJT could live in indelible stench on the Republican Party.

They don't have to prove anything for an impeachment.

I'm the one demanding evidence of a reciprocal agreement.

WilliamSeger · 1st January 2017, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Tee-hee.

Aw, that's so cute when someone who worships a murderous dictator says "tee-hee."

NoahFence · 1st January 2017, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I don't have much higher opinions of the other 5. It would be a feat to be worse than the others.

LOL

Childlike Empress · 1st January 2017, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

It's really bizarre. You accuse the journalists at the Washington post of being "propagandists" yet you cite a news article from RT, a Russian propaganda operation masking as a news agency and whose sole function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda in western countries.

The mere fact that you cite RT first even above the direct Reuters article renders anything and everything you post suspect since they, and by inference you, have no regards for the truth whatsoever. It's not like you did it out of ignorance, unaware that they are a Russian propaganda outlet.

You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking).

For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here.

WilliamSeger · 1st January 2017, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking).

For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here.

The Washington Post article included the actual video, so we can not only hear exactly what he said, but we can also see that once again he's just talking out of his ass, saying something on the spur of the moment that he hopes will sound impressive.

zorro99 · 1st January 2017, 09:26 AM

Trump is an expert on hacking despite that he rarely uses a computer. He knows more than the investigating agencies know. Just ask him.

BobTheCoward · 1st January 2017, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking).

For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here.

The tuesday Wednesday thing is not significant.

uke2se · 2nd January 2017, 10:50 AM

We have to give Putin credit for managing to get extreme leftists like communists and anarchist to work together with extreme rightists like nazis and white supremacists to sing his praises and support his puppet on the internet.

quadraginta · 2nd January 2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

We have to give Putin credit for managing to get extreme leftists like communists and anarchist to work together with extreme rightists like nazis and white supremacists to sing his praises and support his puppet on the internet.

Not really.

The Republican campaign wasn't about being for anyone in particular. It was about being against Hillary. Trump just became a convenient (perhaps inconvenient) focus. Somewhat to their surprise, I believe.

After that, finding stuff that could be claimed as positive points for Trump was just a routine exercise in misdirection and post hoc justifications. All largely secondary to the main thrust of their campaign.

uke2se · 2nd January 2017, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Not really.

The Republican campaign wasn't about being for anyone in particular. It was about being against Hillary. Trump just became a convenient (perhaps inconvenient) focus. Somewhat to their surprise, I believe.

After that, finding stuff that could be claimed as positive points for Trump was just a routine exercise in misdirection and post hoc justifications. All largely secondary to the main thrust of their campaign.

I don't mean just the campaign. It's everywhere. Nazis and anarchists in some sort of weird loving relationship over their devotion to papa Putin.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2017, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

The tuesday Wednesday thing is not significant.

As proven by this Monday backpedal

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ing-revelation

WilliamSeger · 2nd January 2017, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by uke2se

I don't mean just the campaign. It's everywhere. Nazis and anarchists in some sort of weird loving relationship over their devotion to papa Putin.

Well, Putin supports anything that destabilizes western democracies, and he is the richest man in the world, so maybe he's getting their love the old-fashioned way: cash.

logger · 2nd January 2017, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

Well, Putin supports anything that destabilizes western democracies, and he is the richest man in the world, so maybe he's getting their love the old-fashioned way: cash.

Or it could be something simple, like the dems are on the way out, Russia is hurting economically and Putin really wants a reset?

David RP · 3rd January 2017, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

McAfee, as usual, is less polite.

"Kim dot Com agrees with McAfee's assertions"

Kim dot Com now there is someone I can look up to .

phiwum · 3rd January 2017, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by David RP

"Kim dot Com agrees with McAfee's assertions"

Kim dot Com now there is someone I can look up to .

Surely, this is as blatant an ad hominem as one can expect.

Mind, I'm not at all saying that Russia isn't behind the hacking. I think they are. But your post is a pretty obvious fallacy.

caveman1917 · 3rd January 2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground.

In what way?

Quote:

A total buffoon in the white house?

Quote:

An actual moron?

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2017, 01:28 PM

Both pics fake, IIRC. I'd look it up on Snopes but of course that's a commie fake news site.

caveman1917 · 3rd January 2017, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Both pics fake, IIRC.

Well that's too bad then, they were quite funny otherwise.

Quote:

I'd look it up on Snopes but of course that's a commie fake news site.

Erm, ok... What else would you suggest then?

David RP · 3rd January 2017, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Surely, this is as blatant an ad hominem as one can expect.

Mind, I'm not at all saying that Russia isn't behind the hacking. I think they are. But your post is a pretty obvious fallacy.

In what way?

The_Animus · 3rd January 2017, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by David RP

In what way?

Because rather than address the argument, you attacked the character of the person making it. That's what is referred to as an ad hominem fallacy.

Childlike Empress · 3rd January 2017, 07:16 PM

Captain_Swoop · 4th January 2017, 03:38 AM

So where is the info Trump promised for yesterday or today?
Another promised press conference to add to the list.

The Don · 4th January 2017, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Quote:

But US intelligence officials insisted there had been no delay in the briefing schedule.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398

Who to believe, US intelligence officials or a President Elect who has demonstrably lied his way through both the campaign and his entire career

Childlike Empress · 4th January 2017, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398

Who to believe, US intelligence officials or a President Elect who has demonstrably lied his way through both the campaign and his entire career

At least Trump has a name, contrary to "US intelligence officials".

Childlike Empress · 4th January 2017, 06:12 AM

The Russians are really warming up to that "Russian Trolls" meme: Ministry of Foreign Affairs

caveman1917 · 4th January 2017, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398

Who to believe, US intelligence officials or a President Elect who has demonstrably lied his way through both the campaign and his entire career

How about neither?

caveman1917 · 4th January 2017, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

http://i.imgur.com/BwkbfhH.png

We're just never going to get to the evidence, are we...

Childlike Empress · 4th January 2017, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by caveman1917

We're just never going to get to the evidence, are we...

Putin ate their homework...

caveman1917 · 4th January 2017, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Putin ate their homework...

Ah, maybe that's why they seem to be obsessing over that dude in Moscow gaining weight:

Originally Posted by Mycroft

cheerleading Putin's expansionism

He's eating all their homework, it all makes sense now...

1st January 2017, 08:07 AM	#162
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,704	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I'm still waiting for that evidence he has proving those sexual assaults didnnt occur. Why should he? Nobody will sue.
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1st January 2017, 08:18 AM	#164
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,704	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Because he said he would. Once you say that, the other parties don't matter. Ok, i'll take you by your word for it, but didn't he also say there are more important things to do first? From the article it seems there is a bit of a sense that if anyone sues, it will be him. Anyway, looking forward to Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe one of the leakers has turned himself in to the president-elect? That would be fun. Murray thought in the interview that this is a possible development.
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1st January 2017, 08:35 AM	#169
Arcade22 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,409	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Tee-hee. The miserable propagandists at the WP have their knickers in a bunch. It's really bizarre. You accuse the journalists at the Washington post of being "propagandists" yet you cite a news article from RT, a Russian propaganda operation masking as a news agency and whose sole function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda in western countries. The mere fact that you cite RT first even above the direct Reuters article renders anything and everything you post suspect since they, and by inference you, have no regards for the truth whatsoever. It's not like you did it out of ignorance, unaware that they are a Russian propaganda outlet.
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1st January 2017, 08:35 AM	#170
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 535	“I know a lot about hacking,” he said, “and hacking is a very hard thing to prove, so it could be somebody else.” He added, cryptically, that he also knows “things that other people don’t know. And so they cannot be sure of the situation.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a87ca691b2c2 Trump knows all about these matters! So Trust him!
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1st January 2017, 09:05 AM	#175
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,704	Originally Posted by Arcade22 It's really bizarre. You accuse the journalists at the Washington post of being "propagandists" yet you cite a news article from RT, a Russian propaganda operation masking as a news agency and whose sole function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda in western countries. The mere fact that you cite RT first even above the direct Reuters article renders anything and everything you post suspect since they, and by inference you, have no regards for the truth whatsoever. It's not like you did it out of ignorance, unaware that they are a Russian propaganda outlet. You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking). For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here.
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1st January 2017, 08:05 AM	#161
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress The Washington Pest gets more ridiculous every day. That's what they want their readers to know (as cited by the fearful Swede): Period. That's what readers of RT get to know: Easy to locate the Reuters item: Tee-hee. The miserable propagandists at the WP have their knickers in a bunch. I'm still waiting for that evidence he has proving those sexual assaults didnnt occur.

1st January 2017, 08:09 AM	#163
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Why should he? Nobody will sue. Because he said he would. Once you say that, the other parties don't matter.

1st January 2017, 08:19 AM	#165
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I wouldn't personally support impeachment for non crimes. I survived the horrible adminstrations of Reagan, bush, Clinton,bush, Obama. I think we will make it. On Day 1, Trump's bank account will be growing with pay-to-play money from foreign lobbyists, which is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. This is not a minor technicality, since DJT has never once in his life shown that he puts anything above his own self-interest.

1st January 2017, 08:22 AM	#166
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger On Day 1, Trump's bank account will be growing with pay-to-play money from foreign lobbyists, which is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. This is not a minor technicality, since DJT has never once in his life shown that he puts anything above his own self-interest. You have no proof.

1st January 2017, 08:27 AM	#167
NoahFence Suspended Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 21,645	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I wouldn't personally support impeachment for non crimes. I survived the horrible adminstrations of Reagan, bush, Clinton,bush, Obama. I think we will make it. All former or current governors or members of Congress when they took office. They had constituents to answer to. Trump has never answered to anyone, and he's not going to start now. (Well, except Putin) We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground. A total buffoon in the white house? An actual moron?

1st January 2017, 08:29 AM	#168
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by NoahFence All former or current governors or members of Congress when they took office. They had constituents to answer to. Trump has never answered to anyone, and he's not going to start now. (Well, except Putin) We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground. A total buffoon in the white house? An actual moron? I don't have much higher opinions of the other 5. It would be a feat to be worse than the others.

1st January 2017, 08:42 AM	#171
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward You have no proof. Well, a Congressional committee can just subpoena the records from Trump International Hotel for a start. They don't have to prove that lobbyists actually get special treatment for staying there; the fact that their money is going into DJT's bank account is all that's necessary. Of course, impeachment depends on Republicans deciding they want to toss him out, but I think a lot of Trump supporters are being naive about that possibility. I think there's a possibility that they already have a plan in place, because they'd much rather have Pence in office, and hopefully they realize that DJT could live in indelible stench on the Republican Party.

1st January 2017, 08:45 AM	#172
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger Well, a Congressional committee can just subpoena the records from Trump International Hotel for a start. They don't have to prove that lobbyists actually get special treatment for staying there; the fact that their money is going into DJT's bank account is all that's necessary. Of course, impeachment depends on Republicans deciding they want to toss him out, but I think a lot of Trump supporters are being naive about that possibility. I think there's a possibility that they already have a plan in place, because they'd much rather have Pence in office, and hopefully they realize that DJT could live in indelible stench on the Republican Party. They don't have to prove anything for an impeachment. I'm the one demanding evidence of a reciprocal agreement.

1st January 2017, 08:49 AM	#173
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Tee-hee. Aw, that's so cute when someone who worships a murderous dictator says "tee-hee."

1st January 2017, 08:54 AM	#174
NoahFence Suspended Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 21,645	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I don't have much higher opinions of the other 5. It would be a feat to be worse than the others. LOL

1st January 2017, 09:22 AM	#176
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking). For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here. The Washington Post article included the actual video, so we can not only hear exactly what he said, but we can also see that once again he's just talking out of his ass, saying something on the spur of the moment that he hopes will sound impressive.

1st January 2017, 09:26 AM	#177
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 535	Trump is an expert on hacking despite that he rarely uses a computer. He knows more than the investigating agencies know. Just ask him.
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1st January 2017, 09:44 AM	#178
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress You mean because I wrote in my quote that I cited the "Propaganda Bullhorn"? Well spotted, you win five internet points. What I was showing you, and you failed to grasp because you are into deep black and white thinking, is THE FACT that the WP omitted an important information in their article. While RT reported that fact and its source (Reuters) which made it easy to check it. IN THIS CASE, the RT reporting is far better than the WP reporting, and my post outlines that in the strictest way possible (which often includes mocking). For you, it should be a hint that the prejudices and phobias you sport are way far removed from critical thinking. Take that for 2017, may it improve the lamentable quality of your contributions here. The tuesday Wednesday thing is not significant.

2nd January 2017, 10:50 AM	#179
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,401	We have to give Putin credit for managing to get extreme leftists like communists and anarchist to work together with extreme rightists like nazis and white supremacists to sing his praises and support his puppet on the internet.
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2nd January 2017, 11:46 AM	#180
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 20,937	Originally Posted by uke2se We have to give Putin credit for managing to get extreme leftists like communists and anarchist to work together with extreme rightists like nazis and white supremacists to sing his praises and support his puppet on the internet. Not really. The Republican campaign wasn't about being for anyone in particular. It was about being against Hillary. Trump just became a convenient (perhaps inconvenient) focus. Somewhat to their surprise, I believe. After that, finding stuff that could be claimed as positive points for Trump was just a routine exercise in misdirection and post hoc justifications. All largely secondary to the main thrust of their campaign.
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2nd January 2017, 12:23 PM	#181
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,401	Originally Posted by quadraginta Not really. The Republican campaign wasn't about being for anyone in particular. It was about being against Hillary. Trump just became a convenient (perhaps inconvenient) focus. Somewhat to their surprise, I believe. After that, finding stuff that could be claimed as positive points for Trump was just a routine exercise in misdirection and post hoc justifications. All largely secondary to the main thrust of their campaign. I don't mean just the campaign. It's everywhere. Nazis and anarchists in some sort of weird loving relationship over their devotion to papa Putin.
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2nd January 2017, 12:34 PM	#182
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,381	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward The tuesday Wednesday thing is not significant. As proven by this Monday backpedal http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ing-revelation

2nd January 2017, 12:35 PM	#183
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by uke2se I don't mean just the campaign. It's everywhere. Nazis and anarchists in some sort of weird loving relationship over their devotion to papa Putin. Well, Putin supports anything that destabilizes western democracies, and he is the richest man in the world, so maybe he's getting their love the old-fashioned way: cash.

2nd January 2017, 12:36 PM	#184
logger Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 9,636	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger Well, Putin supports anything that destabilizes western democracies, and he is the richest man in the world, so maybe he's getting their love the old-fashioned way: cash. Or it could be something simple, like the dems are on the way out, Russia is hurting economically and Putin really wants a reset?
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3rd January 2017, 08:40 AM	#185
David RP Scholar Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress McAfee, as usual, is less polite. "Kim dot Com agrees with McAfee's assertions" Kim dot Com now there is someone I can look up to .
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3rd January 2017, 08:46 AM	#186
phiwum Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 9,607	Originally Posted by David RP "Kim dot Com agrees with McAfee's assertions" Kim dot Com now there is someone I can look up to . Surely, this is as blatant an ad hominem as one can expect. Mind, I'm not at all saying that Russia isn't behind the hacking. I think they are. But your post is a pretty obvious fallacy.
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3rd January 2017, 12:02 PM	#187
caveman1917 Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 5,487	Originally Posted by NoahFence We can't compare the incoming administration with any other in history. This is new ground. In what way? Quote: A total buffoon in the white house? Quote: An actual moron?
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3rd January 2017, 01:28 PM	#188
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 16,151	Both pics fake, IIRC. I'd look it up on Snopes but of course that's a commie fake news site.
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3rd January 2017, 01:41 PM	#189
caveman1917 Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 5,487	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Both pics fake, IIRC. Well that's too bad then, they were quite funny otherwise. Quote: I'd look it up on Snopes but of course that's a commie fake news site. Erm, ok... What else would you suggest then?
caveman1917 Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 5,487	__________________ "Ideas are also weapons." - Subcomandante Marcos "We must devastate the avenues where the wealthy live." - Lucy Parsons "Let us therefore trust the eternal Spirit which destroys and annihilates only because it is the unfathomable and eternal source of all life. The passion for destruction is a creative passion, too!" - Mikhail Bakunin Last edited by caveman1917; 3rd January 2017 at 02:11 PM.

3rd January 2017, 02:26 PM	#190
David RP Scholar Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 80	Originally Posted by phiwum Surely, this is as blatant an ad hominem as one can expect. Mind, I'm not at all saying that Russia isn't behind the hacking. I think they are. But your post is a pretty obvious fallacy. In what way?
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3rd January 2017, 04:33 PM	#191
The_Animus Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,746	Originally Posted by David RP In what way? Because rather than address the argument, you attacked the character of the person making it. That's what is referred to as an ad hominem fallacy.
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3rd January 2017, 07:16 PM	#192
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,704
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4th January 2017, 03:38 AM	#193
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15,349	So where is the info Trump promised for yesterday or today? Another promised press conference to add to the list.
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4th January 2017, 03:47 AM	#194
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 24,131	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Quote: But US intelligence officials insisted there had been no delay in the briefing schedule. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398 Who to believe, US intelligence officials or a President Elect who has demonstrably lied his way through both the campaign and his entire career

4th January 2017, 04:50 AM	#195
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,704	Originally Posted by The Don http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38505398 Who to believe, US intelligence officials or a President Elect who has demonstrably lied his way through both the campaign and his entire career At least Trump has a name, contrary to "US intelligence officials".
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