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Old 30th October 2016, 04:01 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
Just because there are two possibilities doesn't mean they are equally likely. It is vastly more likely that it will be nothing.
Show your maths.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:12 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
An accusation that evidence exists to show Donald is coordinating with Russia!? HOLY CRAP! He better not be just being a blowhard again because that is a serious claim.
Yes, these are very serious accusations that better have evidence to support it.

Otherwise Reid is committing political libel.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:15 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Yes, these are very serious accusations that better have evidence to support it.

Otherwise Reid is committing political libel.
Sort of like what republitards in Congress have been doing the last 8 years?
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Yes, these are very serious accusations that better have evidence to support it.

Otherwise Reid is committing political libel.
And then what? Reid is not up for re-election.

But really, what is this whole election about? Is it all about sex?

Clinton is bad because her husband got a blow-job from an intern 20 years ago.
Now she's bad because she somehow hides her emails between the nude selfies of the husband of her aide.
Trump grabs them all by the pussy.

What about discussing, you know, politics?
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Yes, these are very serious accusations that better have evidence to support it.

Otherwise Reid is committing political libel.
Wouldn't be the first time. Harry likes throwing out unsupported accusations as if they were truths. It's what he does.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:24 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by John Jones View Post
Show your maths.
The fact that they have already looked into this (including Huma's emails) and found nothing.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:30 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Sort of like what republitards in Congress have been doing the last 8 years?
Forgive me, but I do expect more from Democrats than from well, Republicans.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:30 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
Wouldn't be the first time. Harry likes throwing out unsupported accusations as if they were truths. It's what he does.
If Trump, Pence, Giuliani, Christie, Palin, Ryan, and Comey can do it, why not Reid? Why is Reid held to a higher standard than the thousands of Republicans who've deliberately, knowingly lied about the Clintons, Gores, Kerrys, and Obamas for literally 25 years, to the great detriment of the entire nation, if not the whole world?

At least Reid is trying to save this country from psychotic, irrational, racist, sexist, and religious extremist tyranny, not create it.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:30 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by cantonear1968 View Post
I have no idea what this was supposed to mean.

I'm aware of Podesta's email and what it says. You used this to claim HRC has a serious drinking problem. I'm now asking for your evidence of this. You avoided it the first time around.
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No I did not.

I betcha Hillary is lit today, huh?

You claimed I avoided it last time, which was false. Read better
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:32 PM   #170
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Wouldn't be the first time. Harry likes throwing out unsupported accusations as if they were truths. It's what he does.
Examples?
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:35 PM   #171
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Harry Reid is such a *********** clown.

Hey Harry? Your ******** is not going to remove those emails from Hillary's body woman's computer, where they were stored next to Weiner's spank bank.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:35 PM   #172
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The fact that they have already looked into this (including Huma's emails) and found nothing.
Tharp why Comey's letter is nothing but a political stunt. There is no reason that this computer is going to change anything in regards to Hillary Clinton. He knows this
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:36 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by Molinaro View Post
Keep in mind many of her emails had very large numbers of people CC'd.

Is Hillary somehow responsible...?

Also keep in mind that all of Crooked Hillary's emails were sent using an unsecure (and arguably an illegal) private server, including emails to and from the President of the United States.

So, is Hillary somehow responsible? Well, she has said that she takes "full responsibility" for the private server.

If her emails ultimately ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using the governments secure network -- "state.gov".

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Old 30th October 2016, 04:36 PM   #174
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Tharp why Comey's letter is nothing but a political stunt. There is no reason that this computer is going to change anything in regards to Hillary Clinton. He knows this
Cool conspiracy theory.

Unless weiner had a top secret clearance, those emails were in the wild.
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No, they found out too many actually liked the lashes.
Fetch... the comfy chair!
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:38 PM   #176
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Back in August Harry Reid released a letter he wrote to James Comey asking him to investigate the disturbing reports that were circulating about the Russian Government, Donald Trump and the 2016 presidential election. In the letter Reid raised specific allegations.

Is that what the letter he sent to Comey today is referring to? That these allegations have some merit?


Trump has been calling the FBI "corrupt" for weeks. Maybe he was right.
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Ow.
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Also keep in mind that all of Crooked Hillary's emails were sent using an unsecure (and arguably an illegal) private server, including emails to and from the President of the United States.

So, is Hillary somehow responsible? Well, she has said that she takes "full responsibility" for the private server.

If her emails ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using the governments secure network -- "state.gov".
State.gov isn't a secure network.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:42 PM   #179
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The fact that they have already looked into this (including Huma's emails) and found nothing.
No, no, man. He wants math. Because when determining likelihoods in a political bicker-fest, we still have to use standardized formulae.
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Old 30th October 2016, 04:45 PM   #180
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Hey, maybe Comey can be indicted for "gross negligence." Yeah, that's the ticket!
Maybe he can be. I don't know the actual law that would be invoked. Obstruction of justice, maybe. I'm being much easier on Comey than many on this board. My latest hare-brained theory is that he was given a green light to leak it, while the JD would publicly condemn him, while Hillary would demand he release evidence she knows he can't.

Yes, it's wild but my speculation as to Comey's justification (not his motive, but his rationalization) was right on point, in Part 3 of the thread, and I was blasted for that. I speculated he would indicate that he was trying to get in front of the story because he was certain the discovery would be leaked before the election. It turns out that is exactly what he told colleagues, according to those colleagues, as reported in the New York Times. Now my theory is that HRC knew this was going to happen, and is savvy enough to plan a strategic response - something Donald could never do. This issue is now being hashed over so much people's eyes are beginning to glaze over. There's a big backlash of people condemning Comey and apparently many voters report they are more likely to vote for Hillary than they were before.

Here is something off: I've seen cops get search warrants over the phone at 2 a.m. It's routine. There's probably even a rotation set up for which judge to contact given the day and time. FBI agents could be given limited top-secret security access, if they don't have it already. As I said in the old thread to me the most damning thing is that he flatly stated the emails were pertinent, before backpedaling somewhat.

I find it very odd that a search warrant hasn't been issued. It may even have been turned down under the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine, making the emails inadmissible, ever, in a criminal case against Clinton, or Huma. There may even be appeals going on. Comey could well be as oily as the Hillary supporters are pointing out - that he knew he had nothing, would never get access but that he lobbed it over to his GOP buddies for a smear campaign. I'm not sure that happened, but I am fairly confident that there is more to this than meets the eye.

ETA: Wasn't keeping up; warranted issued. Theory: Judiciary mad as hell at Comey but knows at this point the emails must be read.

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Old 30th October 2016, 04:46 PM   #181
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Maybe he can be. I don't know the actual law that would be invoked. Obstruction of justice, maybe. I'm being much easier on Comey than many on this board. My latest hare-brained theory is that he was given a green light to leak it, while the JD would publicly condemn him, while Hillary would demand he release evidence she knows he can't.

Yes, it's wild but my speculation as to Comey's justification (not his motive, but his rationalization) was on right point, in Part 3 of the thread, and I was blasted for that. I speculated he would indicate that he was trying to get in front of the story because he was certain the discovery would be leaked before the election. It turns out that is exactly what he told colleagues, according to those colleagues, as reported in the New York Times. Now my theory is that HRC knew this was going to happen, and is savvy enough to plan a strategic response - something Donald could never do. This issue is now being hashed over so much people's eyes are beginning to glaze over. There's a big backlash of people condemning Comey and apparently many voters report they are more likely to vote for Hillary than they were before.

Here is something off: I've seen cops get search warrants over the phone at 2 a.m. It's routine. There's probably even a rotation set up for which judge to contact given the day and time. FBI agents could be given limited top-secret security access, if they don't have it already. As I said in the old thread to me the most damning thing is that he flatly stated the emails were pertinent, before backpedaling somewhat.

I find it very odd that a search warrant hasn't been issued. It may even have been turned down under the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine, making the emails inadmissible, ever, in a criminal case against Clinton, or Huma. There may even be appeals going on. Comey could well be as oily as the Hillary supporters are pointing out - that he knew he had nothing, would never get access but that he lobbed it over to his GOP buddies for a smear campaign. I'm not sure that happened, but I am fairly confident that there is more to this than meets the eye.
They got the search warrant today.
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If her emails ultimately ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using the governments secure network -- "state.gov".
An internet domain does not equal a secure network. It does not even equal a network.

Maybe Harry Reid has Trump's Zinoviev Letter. At this point in time, it does not matter for the outcome whether damaging information is actually true or not.
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Show your maths.
Based on the whole lot of nothing that turned up in a previous and very thorough investigation, inductive reasoning might be invoked to say it's more likely than not that investigators will find no smoking gun.

Not that you asked me.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...f04_story.html

650,000 emails.

Hillary demands that they all get released right now!

What a maroon.
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This is from a New York Times article from two months ago:
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[Senator Harry] Reid argued that the connections between some of Donald J. Trump’s former and current advisers and the Russian leadership should, by itself, prompt an investigation. He referred indirectly in his letter to a speech given in Russia by one Trump adviser, Carter Page, a consultant and investor in the energy giant Gazprom, who criticized American sanctions policy toward Russia. article link
Also in August it was reported that federal law enforcement officials had warned two states (Arizona and Illinois), that "foreign hackers" had gotten into their voter registration systems. Reid said at the time he feared Russia might be looking for ways to tamper with vote counts.

Reid also mentioned that Donald 'He Who Can Never Keep His Mouth Shut' Trump keeps hammering away at the notion the election is fixable.
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“Trump and his people keep saying the election is rigged,” Mr. Reid said. “Why is he saying that? Because people are telling him the election can be messed with.” Mr. Trump’s advisers say they are concerned that unnamed elites could rig the election for his opponent, Hillary Clinton.
Would the idea that Trump had actually sunk so low as to work with officials of a pretty bad foreign government to sabotage our presidential election, would that cause even hardcore Trump supporters to finally say, "Enough!"

I doubt it.
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An internet domain does not equal a secure network. It does not even equal a network.

Okay, if her emails ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using a government approved secure server when corresponding with the President of the United States.

Does that sound any better?
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They got the search warrant today.
I saw.

Under normal circumstances I could easily see a judge denying the warrant based on the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine. The fact that it took 2 days is strange. I wonder if they had to shop around for a judge. IMO it would be perfectly defensible to deny the warrant if Comey hadn't forced the judiciary's hand. Preemptively suppressing the evidence now would just make things worse.
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Okay, if her emails ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault...

Some of Hillary Clinton's emails ended up on Donald Trump's laptop? Wow.
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This is from a New York Times article from two months ago:


Also in August it was reported that federal law enforcement officials had warned two states (Arizona and Illinois), that "foreign hackers" had gotten into their voter registration systems. Reid said at the time he feared Russia might be looking for ways to tamper with vote counts.

Reid also mentioned that Donald 'He Who Can Never Keep His Mouth Shut' Trump keeps hammering away at the notion the election is fixable.


Would the idea that Trump had actually sunk so low as to work with officials of a pretty bad foreign government to sabotage our presidential election, would that cause even hardcore Trump supporters to finally say, "Enough!"

I doubt it.
Hatch violation! Oh wait, political mutts like Reid are immune.

Investigate them both, start with Hillary though.
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Okay, if her emails ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using a government approved secure server when corresponding with the President of the United States.

Does that sound any better?
No, the fact is they were on her aide's husband's laptop is not something you would think think the Secretary would be able to guard against.
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I saw.

Under normal circumstances I could easily see a judge denying the warrant based on the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine. The fact that it took 2 days is strange. I wonder if they had to shop around for a judge. IMO it would be perfectly defensible to deny the warrant if Comey hadn't forced the judiciary's hand. Preemptively suppressing the evidence now would just make things worse.
that makes no sense. Finding evidence of another crime on a legally seized laptop is not fruit of the poisonous tree. Everything you wrote is wrong.
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Would the idea that Trump had actually sunk so low as to work with officials of a pretty bad foreign government to sabotage our presidential election, would that cause even hardcore Trump supporters to finally say, "Enough!"

I doubt it.
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Hatch violation! Oh wait, political mutts like Reid are immune. Investigate them both, start with Hillary though.
Told you!
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Okay, if her emails ended up on a sexual perverts laptop, then it's Hillary's fault for not using a government approved secure server when corresponding with the President of the United States.

Does that sound any better?
You don't know what you are talking about. Using an official state.gov account wouldn't have prevented emails from ending up on the laptop.
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I saw.

Under normal circumstances I could easily see a judge denying the warrant based on the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine. The fact that it took 2 days is strange. I wonder if they had to shop around for a judge. IMO it would be perfectly defensible to deny the warrant if Comey hadn't forced the judiciary's hand. Preemptively suppressing the evidence now would just make things worse.

ETA: I've used up all my free samples of the Washington Post. Am really wondering about TBD's claim of 650,000 emails. At this point they should just be released. They should be declassified en masse (if necessary) and released. It would be an extraordinary step, but I believe the danger of potentially posting classified info is outweighed by the danger of keeping them under wraps. People have to see for themselves, come what may. Otherwise this will never go away.
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that makes no sense. Finding evidence of another crime on a legally seized laptop is not fruit of the poisonous tree.
That's for a judge to decide.
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What a maroon.
Unholy mother of Hell! I thought I was the only one using that expression, nowadays!
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I saw.

Under normal circumstances I could easily see a judge denying the warrant based on the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine. The fact that it took 2 days is strange. I wonder if they had to shop around for a judge. IMO it would be perfectly defensible to deny the warrant if Comey hadn't forced the judiciary's hand. Preemptively suppressing the evidence now would just make things worse.

ETA: I've used up all my free samples of the Washington Post. Am really wondering about TBD's claim of 650,000 emails. At this point they should just be released. They should be declassified en masse (if necessary) and released. It would be an extraordinary step, but I believe the danger of potentially posting classified info is outweighed by the danger of keeping them under wraps. People have to see for themselves, come what may. Otherwise this will never go away.
Uh, not all of them are Hillary's but yeah, let's just blow off classification rules because Hillary is a scumbag.
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
That's for a judge to decide.
WRONG because the legally seized lap top is not a poisonous tree, therefore the whole claim that the emails are the fruits is utterly false.

So silly.
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Would the idea that Trump had actually sunk so low as to work with officials of a pretty bad foreign government to sabotage our presidential election, would that cause even hardcore Trump supporters to finally say, "Enough!"
Of course not. He invited foreign governments to hack as much as they can.

But it might influence "undecideds."
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Would the idea that Trump had actually sunk so low as to work with officials of a pretty bad foreign government to sabotage our presidential election, would that cause even hardcore Trump supporters to finally say, "Enough!" (
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Of course not. He invited foreign governments to hack as much as they can...
They prefer Vladimir Putin to Hillary Clinton? And don't bother to answer that, I already know the answer.
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