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Old 21st November 2016, 08:21 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
It's entirely possible. It's also possible that they simply aren't smart or educated enough to notice the discrepancy.
Which leaves us with the conclusion that Trump voters are either stupid or racist.
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Old 21st November 2016, 08:25 AM   #122
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Now, now. Those aren't mutually-exclusive.
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Old 21st November 2016, 08:32 AM   #123
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Which leaves us with the conclusion that Trump voters are either stupid or racist.
As some have pointed out, these are good people willing to turn a blind eye to his racism and misogyny. It's not like, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." That would leave their character in greater question than if they actually desired him to enact his racist ideals.
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Old 21st November 2016, 08:42 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
As some have pointed out, these are good people willing to turn a blind eye to his racism and misogyny. It's not like, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." That would leave their character in greater question than if they actually desired him to enact his racist ideals.
Is there a point at which turning a blind eye to something stops someone being a good person ?
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Old 21st November 2016, 08:42 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
As some have pointed out, these are good people willing to turn a blind eye to his racism and misogyny.
For what? What do they stand to gain by electing him?
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:08 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
It's entirely possible. It's also possible that they simply aren't smart or educated enough to notice the discrepancy.
It's also possible that they're simply smarter and more knowledgeable than the Trump-haters, and that they think more deeply about the consequences of a Trump Presidency than the shallow nincompoops who can't get past "oh, but he's a bad person!" That's my working theory anyway.

Somewhat analogous, but maybe you should look up who the first chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission was. He was quite the bastard. Very Trump-like actually. And he did a good job.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:09 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
It's also possible that they're simply smarter and more knowledgeable than the Trump-haters, and that they think more deeply about the consequences of a Trump Presidency than the shallow nincompoops who can't get past "oh, but he's a bad person!"
Oh, it's possible in theory, but it's not borne out by the evidence.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:14 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Oh, it's possible in theory, but it's not borne out by the evidence.
What evidence?
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:15 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
What evidence?
They voted for Trump.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:17 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
They voted for Trump.
I didn't vote for Trump (voted for Rubio, then Johnson), but I support him.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:17 AM   #131
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If it takes a shallow nincompoop to not vote for a racist conman, I'll gladly accept that mantle.

What does that make you, Sunmaster, considering you voted for the racist conman?

ETA: It should be noted that the accusations "racist" and "conman" are both supported by ample evidence, and aren't dumb reactionary tics like "socialist" or "Kenyan" was for Obama.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:24 AM   #132
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
I didn't vote for Trump (voted for Rubio, then Johnson), but I support him.
There might be hope for you yet.
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:29 AM   #133
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Sorry Sunmaster, I can only see your posts when quoted. Amend my previous post to read "considering you support the racist conman".
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Old 21st November 2016, 09:33 AM   #134
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Did you remind them that Trump doesn't give 2 ***** about them?
Oh zero arguments there. I feel that at the end of the day there is a reasonable chance that Trump supporters are going to get an even shorter end of the stick then Trump detractors.

But the Dems did not do a good job of selling themselves to rural America. Hillary was so overconfident that she would carry the Rust Belt that she didn't run one ad or step a single foot in Wisconsin or Michigan, the two of the so called "Firewall" states she lost.

Again it's silly but comparing it to that scene in the Dark Knight were Alfred tells Bruce that in their desperation the mob turned to "a man they didn't fully understand" when they brought in the Joker really rings true for me.

I don't think it racism. You can't feed your family with racism. You can't pay the mortage on the house with racism. And as noted Trump actually didn't do any worse with the minorities then Romney and McCain did.

There's an X factor in there somewhere.

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As others have noted, they apparently didn't let themselves be bothered too much by the racist and violent rhetoric.
For a lot of them sure. For other fear for their livelihood (misguided it might have been) won out.
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Old 21st November 2016, 12:49 PM   #135
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I don't think it racism. You can't feed your family with racism. You can't pay the mortage on the house with racism. And as noted Trump actually didn't do any worse with the minorities then Romney and McCain did.
The racist supporters (and cabinet members and Trump himself) are celebrating the loudest.

People who aren't racist but still voted for him are ambivalent. They just don't care that he's a racist.
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Old 21st November 2016, 01:03 PM   #136
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The Liberal Left needs a few new go-to words to describe Republicans other than "racist" "bigot" etc. They've been crying wolf for years. Can they really believe the rhetoric they spew? Trump has been in the public eye for 30 years, many of those years as a Democrat, and not one word about being a racist or bigot etc from anyone on the Left. But the moment he runs on a Republican ticket, he's attacked with this vile rhetoric. Hilarious.

The Left went into fits when Trump said he may not accept the outcome of the election, remember this? Only a few weeks ago prior to the election. You would have thought Trump's statement was going to be the end of Democracy as we know it to hear the Left talk about it. Now, who doesn't want to accept the outcome? Hilarious.

The folks on the Left really need to apply some critical thought to the situation and remove the foil hats. You don't get elected President by throwing working class Americans under the bus. Someone has to actually work and pay taxes to come up with the money the Left dishes out with entitlements. Chris B.
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Old 21st November 2016, 01:05 PM   #137
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The Liberal Left needs a few new go-to words to describe Republicans other than "racist" "bigot" etc.
I'm sure they'll be glad to, once the right stops voting for racists and bigots.
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Old 21st November 2016, 01:10 PM   #138
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The racist supporters (and cabinet members and Trump himself) are celebrating the loudest.

People who aren't racist but still voted for him are ambivalent. They just don't care that he's a racist.
That's not fair.

Turn it around. Would it be fair to say that Clinton supporters didn't care about her email scandal? I can tell you that I cared, but that the alternative, a Trump presidency, was too horrible to make that concern a deciding factor.

In exactly the same way, many folks believed that Trump's many deficits were inconsequential compared to the horror of a Clinton presidency. They think of Hillary as a supervillain, willing to do whatever she can to enrich herself. Yes, yes, it is comical that they chose to elect Trump instead, but this is the view that many Trump voters had.

It's not that Trump's racism doesn't matter. It's that this concern is outweighed by the imagined horror of a Clinton presidency.
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Old 21st November 2016, 01:11 PM   #139
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I'm sure they'll be glad to, once the right stops voting for racists and bigots.
That's the funny thing. The Democrats go overboard to point a finger at Republicans for such things when the Democrat party is the root of racism and bigotry. Isn't that odd. There's a name for such things I believe it's called "projection" Chris B.
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Which leaves us with the conclusion that Trump voters are either stupid or racist.
And with this thinking, that's exactly how you lose an election. I realize you must be angry because your candidates lost, but let's try to live in reality.
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The Liberal Left needs a few new go-to words to describe Republicans other than "racist" "bigot" etc. They've been crying wolf for years. Can they really believe the rhetoric they spew? Trump has been in the public eye for 30 years, many of those years as a Democrat, and not one word about being a racist or bigot etc from anyone on the Left. But the moment he runs on a Republican ticket, he's attacked with this vile rhetoric. Hilarious.
Er, he was part of a lawsuit regarding racial discrimination in 1973.

Aside from that, why would one expect Trump's views on race to be part of the common discourse? He's a playboy and reality TV star. Hardly the sort of celebrity to be talking about race very often.
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That's the funny thing. The Democrats go overboard to point a finger at Republicans for such things when the Democrat party is the root of racism and bigotry. Isn't that odd. There's a name for such things I believe it's called "projection" Chris B.
Sorry? What do you mean by this?
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The Liberal Left needs a few new go-to words to describe Republicans other than "racist" "bigot" etc. They've been crying wolf for years. Can they really believe the rhetoric they spew? Trump has been in the public eye for 30 years, many of those years as a Democrat, and not one word about being a racist or bigot etc from anyone on the Left. But the moment he runs on a Republican ticket, he's attacked with this vile rhetoric. Hilarious.
He was a reality TV star and oftentimes failed businessman during those years. That you don't see the distinction is one of the main reasons we're in this mess.

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The Left went into fits when Trump said he may not accept the outcome of the election, remember this? Only a few weeks ago prior to the election. You would have thought Trump's statement was going to be the end of Democracy as we know it to hear the Left talk about it. Now, who doesn't want to accept the outcome? Hilarious.
Need a tissue? A safe space? I hear the Boycott of Hamilton is going well. Might be an extra ticket for you in the bleachers.

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The folks on the Left really need to apply some critical thought to the situation and remove the foil hats. You don't get elected President by throwing working class Americans under the bus. Someone has to actually work and pay taxes to come up with the money the Left dishes out with entitlements. Chris B.
No, you get elected (apparently) by throwing the working class under the bus, but selling the moron wing of America platitudes. Nobody, NOBODY in the public eye has thrown more working class Americans under the bus than Trump. Keep them blinders on, kiddo. It's going to be just fine.

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That's not fair.

Turn it around. Would it be fair to say that Clinton supporters didn't care about her email scandal? I can tell you that I cared, but that the alternative, a Trump presidency, was too horrible to make that concern a deciding factor.

In exactly the same way, many folks believed that Trump's many deficits were inconsequential compared to the horror of a Clinton presidency. They think of Hillary as a supervillain, willing to do whatever she can to enrich herself. Yes, yes, it is comical that they chose to elect Trump instead, but this is the view that many Trump voters had.

It's not that Trump's racism doesn't matter. It's that this concern is outweighed by the imagined horror of a Clinton presidency.
If 10 is the most passionate a person feels on a topic, most Trump supporters probably weighed racism and his other social abnormalities about a 5 or a 6 tops.
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That's the funny thing. The Democrats go overboard to point a finger at Republicans for such things when the Democrat party is the root of racism and bigotry. Isn't that odd. There's a name for such things I believe it's called "projection" Chris B.
Oh PLEASE tell us how the Republican party of Lincoln is exactly the same today as it was in his day.

It's Monday, I'm not feeling well and I truly need a good laugh.

The floor's yours, kiddo!
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If 10 is the most passionate a person feels on a topic, most Trump supporters probably weighed racism and his other social abnormalities about a 5 or a 6 tops.
Right, if you say so, this is how it must be.
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Right, if you say so, this is how it must be.
Well clearly they didn't rate it very high, otherwise he wouldn't be President.


Are you implying that his racism wasn't obvious?
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He was a reality TV star and oftentimes failed businessman during those years. That you don't see the distinction is one of the main reasons we're in this mess.



Need a tissue? A safe space? I hear the Boycott of Hamilton is going well. Might be an extra ticket for you in the bleachers.



No, you get elected (apparently) by throwing the working class under the bus, but selling the moron wing of America platitudes. Nobody, NOBODY in the public eye has thrown more working class Americans under the bus than Trump. Keep them blinders on, kiddo. It's going to be just fine.

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Do you even know what NAFTA is and how it has affected working class Americans? Do you not know factory workers that have lost jobs because their company closed down and moved to another Country?

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Oh PLEASE tell us how the Republican party of Lincoln is exactly the same today as it was in his day.

It's Monday, I'm not feeling well and I truly need a good laugh.

The floor's yours, kiddo!
The Republican party Ideals are exactly the same today as they were when Lincoln ran.

"The legitimate object of government is to do for people what needs to be done." Lincoln made these comments on what role the government should play on July 1, 1854. Lincoln asked why government exists. "Why not each individual," he said, "take himself the whole fruit of his labor, without having any of it taxed away , , , ?" He answered saying that government should do what people cannot do by individual effort. Lincoln cited many examples of things that people cannot do on their own: making and maintaining roads and bridges, providing for the helpless, providing schools" etc.

A little research may actually open your eyes to the fact you are being sold a dead horse in what is the Democrat party. Chris B.
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The Liberal Left needs a few new go-to words to describe Republicans other than "racist" "bigot" etc. They've been crying wolf for years. Can they really believe the rhetoric they spew? Trump has been in the public eye for 30 years, many of those years as a Democrat, and not one word about being a racist or bigot etc from anyone on the Left.
I pointed out his obvious racism back in 2011. I know plenty of others that said so back when he took out that ad calling for the death penalty for the "Central Park 5" back in 88. That you don't know this only shows that you weren't paying attention.

Of course, one can be a racist and a good person, so this was overshadowed by his multiple bankruptcies, his long-running misogyny, and his habit of grifting whenever possible, since those were far more likely to actually injure others.
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To further add to my comment above, The Democrat Party has been the party to change mostly in order to hide from their roots. The fact is, they needed to distance themselves from the KKK, so to do that they started embracing minority groups such as the LGBT community. In order to keep the African American voter engaged, they went to an entitlement system in order to herd minorities into urban areas in large numbers. This would be their method of keeping a certain population voting only for the Democrat party to protect their entitlements. The fact is the movement away from the Constitution as the founders intended it, was and is being done to better serve their voting population, and not specifically for the good of the Country in mind. This movement was and is the reason such outlandish characters such as the KKK have switched parties. As the Republican party wishes to preserve the Constitution as per the intentions of the founding fathers.

The fact is a perfect society would be defined by the modern Leftist as a communist state with the Government retaining all power and the people following those in charge of said Government. Do you think Bernie was a Democrat before he ran in the primaries? Take a stroll down facts street and do a bit of review. Chris B.
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A significant number of his supporters are racist.
And the rest of them didn't care enough about it to not vote for him.

The guys in the white sheets who burned the crosses and lynched the *******. They were racists.

The ones who stood around and watched, took home souvenirs, and bought the postcards?

Well, it wouldn't be fair to call them racists, would it?
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I pointed out his obvious racism back in 2011. I know plenty of others that said so back when he took out that ad calling for the death penalty for the "Central Park 5" back in 88. That you don't know this only shows that you weren't paying attention.

Of course, one can be a racist and a good person, so this was overshadowed by his multiple bankruptcies, his long-running misogyny, and his habit of grifting whenever possible, since those were far more likely to actually injure others.
That's funny, simply because the accused were Black you assume he would not have called for the death penalty had they been White? Exactly who is the racist here?

I have a bit of relevant info for you. Those that support the death penalty, yours truly included, don't care what skin color the criminal has. When it's time to go, it's time to go and I'd pull the switch regardless of skin color.
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Old 21st November 2016, 02:31 PM   #154
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To further add to my comment above, The Democrat Party has been the party to change mostly in order to hide from their roots. The fact is, they needed to distance themselves from the KKK, so to do that they started embracing minority groups such as the LGBT community. In order to keep the African American voter engaged, they went to an entitlement system in order to herd minorities into urban areas in large numbers. This would be their method of keeping a certain population voting only for the Democrat party to protect their entitlements.
This right here.

See that part I highlighted?

That part is exactly why black people such as myself, with masters degrees and high-paying jobs, still find so much of the GOP disgusting.
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Old 21st November 2016, 02:32 PM   #155
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That's the funny thing. The Democrats go overboard to point a finger at Republicans for such things when the Democrat party is the root of racism and bigotry.
What in the blue hell are you confabulating about?
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Old 21st November 2016, 02:33 PM   #156
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To further add to my comment above, The Democrat Party has been the party to change mostly in order to hide from their roots.
Exactly! It doesn't matter if they're racists now. It only matters that long-dead people who were in the party were racists a century ago. Just like Iran is exactly like the Achaemenid empire.
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Old 21st November 2016, 02:37 PM   #157
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This right here.

See that part I highlighted?

That part is exactly why black people such as myself, with masters degrees and high-paying jobs, still find so much of the GOP disgusting.
And why? If you support the Democrat party, you are an accomplice to destroying the African American community.

Let me ask you, have you been to Detroit lately? I have and the people are suffering. Chris B.
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Well clearly they didn't rate it very high, otherwise he wouldn't be President.


Are you implying that his racism wasn't obvious?
No, I don't think I implied any such thing.

Not sure why you would think I did.
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Exactly! It doesn't matter if they're racists now. It only matters that long-dead people who were in the party were racists a century ago. Just like Iran is exactly like the Achaemenid empire.
The Democrat party is absolutely racist now and then. Don't you know how a plantation worked? Look Chicago, look at Detroit. Can you be proud of these Democrat run modern day plantations? I think it's outrageous. Chris B.
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The Democrat party is absolutely racist now and then. Don't you know how a plantation worked? Look Chicago, look at Detroit. Can you be proud of these Democrat run modern day plantations? I think it's outrageous. Chris B.
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