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Old 25th December 2016, 09:33 PM   #361
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Snerk.

Can not answer the question?

Anyone doubt the big dog?

Spikes the *********** football.
Illusory Superiority.
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Old 25th December 2016, 09:38 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Snerk.

Can not answer the question?

Anyone doubt the big dog?

Spikes the *********** football.
I answered the question:

The asker's intent is irrelevant.
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Old 25th December 2016, 09:58 PM   #363
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I answered the question:

The asker's intent is irrelevant.
Bwhahaha!

Lolz, I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer.
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Old 25th December 2016, 10:06 PM   #364
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Bwhahaha!

Lolz, I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer.
No, I answered it, but you didn't like the answer.
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Old 26th December 2016, 06:47 AM   #365
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Total fraud. Who in the **** do you think you are kidding, Ph.D.?

Do you think that people do not know that the claim at issue was a blatant claim of hypocrisy?

Damn.
In plain English arguments, there is always much left implicit. In order to evaluate an argument, then, one must try to determine what has been left out. The best way to do so, of course, is to ask one's interlocutor what he meant. This is not always possible, but surely it is almost always possible here on the forum. Barring this, one must provide an interpretation on one's own, tentatively stated but guided by principles of charity and fairness.

In this case, all we know is that, after A claimed the reason that Trump voters didn't vote Hillary is because she did X, B pointed out that Trump also did X. Now, of course this might suggest that Trump voters are hypocrites, but only if we accept A's claim and that is precisely what is at issue. B's response must instead be an attempt to refute A's claim and that makes perfect sense. The doing of X cannot explain why Trump voters didn't vote for Hillary, since Trump also did X. A's explanation is inadequate.

Note as well that even had B's point been that Trump voters are acting inconsistently, this isn't really hypocrisy (it is not they that said one ought to act one way and then acted another) and it doesn't even approach a tu quoque fallacy since they are not proposing any arguments.
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Old 26th December 2016, 07:40 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Anyone doubt agree with the big dog?
No

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Spikes the *********** football after scoring an own goal in the hockey game he's actually playing.
ftfy
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Old 26th December 2016, 09:37 AM   #367
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Then lets bring this to an end shall we?

What was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?

TBD's position is that it is an attempt to make a substantive, albeit fallacious argument.

Your position is:????
Seemed like a simple question, didn't it?

The mental gymnastics employed to avoid answering it were spellbinding

Tbd's position and analysis is established.
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Old 26th December 2016, 10:41 AM   #368
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Why is this discussion giving me Robert Prey flashbacks? Is "drops mic" the new "crickets"? I'm thinking lolz=baloney.
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Old 26th December 2016, 10:42 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Seemed like a simple question, didn't it?

The mental gymnastics employed to avoid answering it were spellbinding

Tbd's position and analysis is established.
It was answered.

How is "mentioning that Trump voters are being hypocritical is not fallacious" not an an answer?
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Old 26th December 2016, 10:44 AM   #370
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It was answered.

How is "mentioning that Trump voters are being hypocritical is not fallacious" not an an answer?
Thank you. That makes it clear that you did not answer the question.

The question was: what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
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Old 26th December 2016, 10:46 AM   #371
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Why is this discussion giving me Robert Prey flashbacks? Is "drops mic" the new "crickets"? I'm thinking lolz=baloney.
Mic drop
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Old 26th December 2016, 10:53 AM   #372
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Thank you. That makes it clear that you did not answer the question.

The question was: what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
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And you "answered" it thusly:

Then lets bring this to an end shall we?

What was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?

TBD's position is that it is an attempt to make a substantive, albeit fallacious argument.

Your position is:????
And I responded:

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It is not fallacious to point out that is hypocritical to justify not voting for Clinton due to some action that she took while voting for Trump despite the fact that he perform the same action. Not every notation of hypocrisy is a tu quoque. In fact, when the hypocrisy plays directly into the final conclusion of the argument, noting it is a valid refutation of the argument.
In other words, I directly addressed your explicitly stated opinion.
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Old 26th December 2016, 11:01 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by mijopaalmc View Post
And I responded:



In other words, I directly addressed your explicitly stated opinion.
I did not ask you to address my opinion.

I asked "what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy"?
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Old 26th December 2016, 11:02 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by mijopaalmc View Post
Yeah, I know. Look up Robert Prey and "crickets"
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Old 26th December 2016, 11:33 AM   #375
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Old 26th December 2016, 11:47 AM   #376
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I did not ask you to address my opinion.

I asked "what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy"?
And then:

Quote:
TBD's position is that it is an attempt to make a substantive, albeit fallacious argument.

Your position is:????
I gave you my position when I said, "It is not fallacious". I'm sorry you don't like it.
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Old 26th December 2016, 11:50 AM   #377
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Originally Posted by mijopaalmc View Post
And then:



I gave you my position when I said, "It is not fallacious". I'm sorry you don't like it.
And again, the question was "what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?"

"It is not fallacious" does not answer that question.

Again, what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
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Old 26th December 2016, 12:02 PM   #378
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And again, the question was "what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?"

"It is not fallacious" does not answer that question.

Again, what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
If you entree an answer to that question, you shouldn't have asserted that it was fallacious. I was responding to your assertion that the accusation of hypocrisy was fallacious, and the last sentence in my response does answer your query as to the accusation's purpose.
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Old 26th December 2016, 12:45 PM   #379
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It is not fallacious to point out that is hypocritical to justify not voting for Clinton due to some action that she took while voting for Trump despite the fact that he perform the same action. Not every notation of hypocrisy is a tu quoque. In fact, when the hypocrisy plays directly into the final conclusion of the argument, noting it is a valid refutation of the argument.
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If you entree an answer to that question, you shouldn't have asserted that it was fallacious. I was responding to your assertion that the accusation of hypocrisy was fallacious, and the last sentence in my response does answer your query as to the accusation's purpose.
Again, claiming that you have refuted something does not answer this question:

What was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
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Old 26th December 2016, 12:49 PM   #380
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Again, claiming that you have refuted something does not answer this question:

What was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?


I explained why it was a refutation. The fact that you don't like that it's a reputation doesn't mean that it isn't.
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Old 26th December 2016, 01:08 PM   #381
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I explained why it was a refutation. The fact that you don't like that it's a reputation doesn't mean that it isn't.
I did not ask you why it was a refutation, I asked you what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
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I did not ask you why it was a refutation, I asked you what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?
And that is answered in the last sentence of my direct response to your initial request:

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It is not fallacious to point out that is hypocritical to justify not voting for Clinton due to some action that she took while voting for Trump despite the fact that he perform the same action. Not every notation of hypocrisy is a tu quoque. In fact, when the hypocrisy plays directly into the final conclusion of the argument, noting it is a valid refutation of the argument.
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I asked you what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?

"In fact, when the hypocrisy plays directly into the final conclusion of the argument, noting it is a valid refutation of the argument."

Does not answer the question as already explained

"what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?"
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Old 26th December 2016, 01:28 PM   #384
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I asked you what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?

"In fact, when the hypocrisy plays directly into the final conclusion of the argument, noting it is a valid refutation of the argument."

Does not answer the question as already explained

"what was the purpose of the accusation of hypocrisy?"


It is an explicit description of the purpose of mentioning the hypocrisy of Trump voters' stated reason for voting for Clinton. Why don't you understand this?
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Old 26th December 2016, 01:33 PM   #385
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It is an explicit description of the purpose of mentioning the hypocrisy of Trump voters' stated reason for voting for Clinton. Why don't you understand this?
This is again incomprehensible.

I am uncertain at this point whether you are merely unwilling to answer the question, or simply incapable, but it does not make a difference at this point.

In any event, this thread has been another tour de force example of the TBD's mastery over the subject matter at hand.
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Old 26th December 2016, 01:36 PM   #386
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This is again incomprehensible.

I am uncertain at this point whether you are merely unwilling to answer the question, or simply incapable, but it does not make a difference at this point.

In any event, this thread has been another tour de force example of the TBD's mastery over the subject matter at hand.
Yeah, try "for not voting for Clinton" instead of "for voting for Clinton".
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In any event, this thread has been another tour de force example of the TBD's mastery over the subject matter at hand.
Indeed, you have shown your usual level of understanding, as you declare victory while experts point out your failure.
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Indeed, you have shown your usual level of understanding, as you declare victory while experts point out your failure.
There is but one expert in this thread, and you are reading his post.
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Old 26th December 2016, 03:03 PM   #389
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There is but one expert in this thread, and you are reading his post.
Well, aren't we lucky to have such a brainy one drop by to tutor us in logic.
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Well, aren't we lucky to have such a brainy one drop by to tutor us in logic.
Yes you are.
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Old 26th December 2016, 03:27 PM   #391
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Yes you are.
Tell you what, you let me know if you want a serious conversation about logical fallacies and how to interpret this or that argument. At this point, I'm convinced that you have no intention to seriously address any of these issues.
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There is but one expert in this thread, and you are reading his post.
I believe the appropriate rejoinder is Bwahahaha
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Well, aren't we lucky to have such a brainy one drop by to tutor us in logic.
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Tell you what, you let me know if you want a serious conversation about logical fallacies and how to interpret this or that argument. At this point, I'm convinced that you have no intention to seriously address any of these issues.
Irony.

Pure unadulterated irony
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There is but one expert in this thread, and you are reading his post.
Illusory Superiority.
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You're treading back into your illusory superiority again. it doesn't help your 'argument'. All you're doing is dismissing the argument others have put forward simply because you disagree with it, and because you think you know better.
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Classic Illusory Superiority.
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There's a reason I accuse him of Illusory Superiority.
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Oh dear. You appear to suffer from Illusory Superiority. It fits. Want me to drop it? Then stop with the attitude, drop the condescension, and address the argument with personalizing it.

Again, you appear to be caught up in the idea that you MUST be right, you can't understand that you might be wrong.
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And yet you don't address the argument. Illusory Superiority in a nutshell. Classic example.
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Oh look. A classic example of illusory superiority.

At least you're educating people on what that is.
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You continue to exhibit illusory Superiority. I applaud you for the dedication to your craft. Too bad you don't have an argument. When you accept the facts, and admit defeat, I'll drop the accusation.
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... You try and place yourself above the rest of all with your sneers, and your condescending attitude. You feel you're smarter, and better than the rest of us. You aren't. Thus, the argument and claim of Illusory Superiority is valid....
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False. Wrong. Drops Mic.

Oh yes: Illusory Superiority.

BOOM. HEADSHOT.
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Illusory Superiority.
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Illusory Superiority.
Wow.
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Old 26th December 2016, 06:07 PM   #396
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Wow.
It IS amazing on how right I am in all those posts.
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What a pleasure to see that this thread is providing such joy to TBD over the Christmas holiday season! Many of TBD's posts do contradict what I would have expected as to humility ( http://www.openbible.info/topics/being_humble) based on other TBD threads, but the sheer happiness really leaps out of his posts here. As has been shown, happiness mostly originates internally and need not be rooted in reality.
But in all sincerity,
Merry Christmas and Boxing Day,TBD!
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What a pleasure to see that this thread is providing such joy to TBD over the Christmas holiday season! Many of TBD's posts do contradict what I would have expected as to humility ( http://www.openbible.info/topics/being_humble) based on other TBD threads, but the sheer happiness really leaps out of his posts here. As has been shown, happiness mostly originates internally and need not be rooted in reality.
But in all sincerity,
Merry Christmas and Boxing Day,TBD!
I am just happy to be able to educate folks on the basis of critical thinking.
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I am just happy to be able to educate folks on the basis of critical thinking.
Actually, I am learning quite a bit from you, it's been very interesting to observe your performance, and your example has led me into research beyond just the philosophic discussion. I have learned from the other participants also, albeit in a more ostensibly academic fashion, in most cases. Thanks!
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I am just happy to be able to educate folks on the basis of critical thinking.
And as I mentioned I have found your posts very entertaining. They seem so.. self-confident and overtly self-congratulatory despite the weight of evidence presented against your viewpoint that has been provided by virtually everyone else here. In other threads you have identified yourself as a devoted Christian (Catholic I believe), for which my understanding is that humility and humbleness is a crucial central belief. From where do you obtain your extraordinary self-assurance as presented in your posts in the current thread? Do you find that it conflicts with the precepts of your religious faith?

I really do not want to derail this thread, only to explore the basis behind your posts in this thread so that I can understand the rationale and evidence behind your strong advocacy of your viewpoint here. But if you wish, particularly in regard to the question of reconciling your posts here to your views on religion, I will set up a separate thread to discuss this issue. Particularly if posters here believe this is a distraction for the current thread. Also I understand religion is usually a private matter- if you do not wish to discuss it at all I will not bring it up again.
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