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Old 23rd December 2016, 11:43 PM   #1
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No one wants to play the Inauguration

The featured headliners for Inauguration Day are the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the Rockettes (dancing troupe) because nearly everyone else turned the event down. And the dancers themselves are up in arms because they have been basically roped into it by their contracts.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ration-n699296
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Old 23rd December 2016, 11:57 PM   #2
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I think the MTC should perform a raucous cover version of this. That would be awesome on so many levels.
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I think the MTC should perform a raucous cover version of this. That would be awesome on so many levels.
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(Stolen from elsewhere)

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Old 24th December 2016, 12:59 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
The featured headliners for Inauguration Day are the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the Rockettes (dancing troupe) because nearly everyone else turned the event down. And the dancers themselves are up in arms because they have been basically roped into it by their contracts.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ration-n699296
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
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Old 24th December 2016, 01:10 AM   #6
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No one wants to play the Inauguration

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
.... because nearly everyone else turned the event down. .

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ration-n699296
I didn't see that (or the thread title) covered in the article you linked. Did you have any information to support that? Like who turned it down?

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Old 24th December 2016, 01:16 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
Or maybe it's because this particular paying customer is a misogynistic douchebag and unregistered sex offender? Maybe it's because they don't want to perform for a lecherous little Napoleon who thinks he has the right to march backstage and inspect them while they get dressed, or even assault them because he's a "star?" You're saying that hating that guy is just like hating all queers? Really?
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Old 24th December 2016, 01:18 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
That or they would all prefer to not be grabbed by any part of their bodies.

Spoilsports.
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Old 24th December 2016, 04:58 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.

Exactly. When the shoe's on the other foot, you will be made to care. But when it's their convictions, "Hey, that's, like, totally different and stuff, Man."

As best I can tell, religious freedom/freedom of conscience is good when it involves peyote smoking Native American drug counselors or performers who just don't like Trump. But double plus ungood when it involves religious employers who don't want to pay for abortions or bakers who prefer not to cater homosexual weddings.
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Old 24th December 2016, 06:18 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by shuize View Post
As best I can tell, religious freedom/freedom of conscience is good when it involves peyote smoking Native American drug counselors or performers who just don't like Trump. But double plus ungood when it involves religious employers who don't want to pay for abortions or bakers who prefer not to cater homosexual weddings.
I dunno what you're referring to in the first example (although it sounds ridiculous). But exactly what category of people are being discriminated against by performers who don't want to perform at Trump's inauguration? They regularly perform for people of every class already covered by the most generous anti-discrimination rules, so it has nothing to do with ethnicity, religious views, sexual orientation or identity or whatever the terms are, political affiliation, veteran's status, etc. I find it hard to believe the Rockettes haven't performed willingly for white, male, heterosexual, pretend-Christian, draft-dodging, Republicans before.

Or do we now think that "people who brag about sexual assault" should be a protected class?

Seriously. What actual discrimination is going on here, assuming the story is correct? Whose core beliefs are being violated? The belief that Trump should get whatever he wants?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
Hypocritical?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
Can you point me to their contract and the payment schedule? Plus of course what protected group does Trump belong to?
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Exactly. When the shoe's on the other foot, you will be made to care. But when it's their convictions, "Hey, that's, like, totally different and stuff, Man."

As best I can tell, religious freedom/freedom of conscience is good when it involves peyote smoking Native American drug counselors or performers who just don't like Trump. But double plus ungood when it involves religious employers who don't want to pay for abortions or bakers who prefer not to cater homosexual weddings.
Which protected group does Trump belong to and can you provide their contract and payment schedule?
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I didn't see that (or the thread title) covered in the article you linked. Did you have any information to support that? Like who turned it down?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-invites.html
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I'm kind of hoping he does venture backstage and get gropey, and one of them high-kicks his feeble little nuggets right through that garbage bag of rotting yams that is his body.
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Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
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No one wants to play the Inauguration
Hove you considered that they may be concerned about death threats by the brownshirted TDS zealots of the left?
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Hove you considered that they may be concerned about death threats by the brownshirted TDS zealots of the left?
That's not what they've said.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
More like they loathe enemabag, sexist, motherraping, orange, rectum suckers
who like to assault women and underage girls. I do not see a problem with that!!! And will not be unhappy if the person forcing them to perform for such a creature has a massive heart attack while performing fellatio on it!!!
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More like they loathe enemabag, sexist, motherraping, orange, rectum suckers
who like to assault women and underage girls. I do not see a problem with that!!! And will not be unhappy if the person forcing them to perform for such a creature has a massive heart attack while performing fellatio on it!!!
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Hove you considered that they may be concerned about death threats by the brownshirted TDS zealots of the left?
Evidences?
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Evidences?
Er, uh, evidence for what?
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Exactly. When the shoe's on the other foot, you will be made to care. But when it's their convictions, "Hey, that's, like, totally different and stuff, Man."

As best I can tell, religious freedom/freedom of conscience is good when it involves peyote smoking Native American drug counselors or performers who just don't like Trump. But double plus ungood when it involves religious employers who don't want to pay for abortions or bakers who prefer not to cater homosexual weddings.
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OP's info is a bit out of date - this was a concern a few days ago, but their management has since stated that they are not required to perform.

IMO, if their contracts required it, I wouldn't see much issue with management stating "no, this is our job, do it or leave." And of course, I also wouldn't have much problem with the Rockettes leaving en masse in response. But it seems that this is not the case after all, so...that's fine as well.

BTW, the appropriate analogy to bakers refusing to bake for a same-sex couple would be Rockettes management refusing to perform for Trump because he was straight, or something similar. It's always bizarre to me when people think that "sexual predator" is analogous to "gay".
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I dunno what you're referring to in the first example (although it sounds ridiculous) ...

Then you don't know anything about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The law was introduced in response to the Supreme Court's decision in Employment Division v. Smith. That case involved two Native American drug counselors at a private rehabilitation clinic who were fired for using peyote and subsequently denied unemployment benefits.

Our friends on the left think RFRA is really neat when used to make it harder for the government to burden the religious beliefs of groups they like, i.e. peyote smoking Native American drug counselors. They just don't seem to think other people deserve the same consideration, i.e. religious business owners who don't want to pay for abortions.
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If you look on line there are a number of performers who have apparently -- through their agent or manager -- made it plain they would not consider appearing at the Trump Inauguration bash. (I'm not sure any of them have turned down an actual request.) With Trump's reputation for being vindictive, extending to any personal slight (no matter how small), that takes a certain amount of courage on the part of the performers.

People have to understand, many of us object to Trump on moral and ethical grounds, it's not just politics. All the personal attacks, name calling or ridiculous analogies anyone can come up with is not going to change that.
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Then you don't know anything about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The law was introduced in response to the Supreme Court's decision in Employment Division v. Smith. That case involved two Native American drug counselors at a private rehabilitation clinic who were fired for using peyote and subsequently denied unemployment benefits.

Our friends on the left think RFRA is really neat when used to make it harder for the government to burden the religious beliefs of groups they like, i.e. peyote smoking Native American drug counselors. They just don't seem to think other people deserve the same consideration, i.e. religious business owners who don't want to pay for abortions.
You do know that you are so far off point your entire post is a non-sequitur?
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Everything for those inside the State, nothing for those outside the State.
Eh? We are discussing a party held when your state changes its head! You can't get anymore "inside the state" than the president!
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Oh, I've heard of the RFRA; just not the case you mentioned.

But it has nothing, as far as I can tell, to do with performers not wanting to perform for Trump. FWIW, his latest whiny little twitter-tantrum hasn't mentioned it either.
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Or maybe it's because this particular paying customer is a misogynistic douchebag and unregistered sex offender? Maybe it's because they don't want to perform for a lecherous little Napoleon who thinks he has the right to march backstage and inspect them while they get dressed, or even assault them because he's a "star?" You're saying that hating that guy is just like hating all queers? Really?
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That or they would all prefer to not be grabbed by any part of their bodies.

Spoilsports.
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... But exactly what category of people are being discriminated against by performers who don't want to perform at Trump's inauguration? They regularly perform for people of every class already covered by the most generous anti-discrimination rules, so it has nothing to do with ethnicity, religious views, sexual orientation or identity or whatever the terms are, political affiliation, veteran's status, etc. I find it hard to believe the Rockettes haven't performed willingly for white, male, heterosexual, pretend-Christian, draft-dodging, Republicans before.

Or do we now think that "people who brag about sexual assault" should be a protected class?

Seriously. What actual discrimination is going on here, assuming the story is correct? Whose core beliefs are being violated? The belief that Trump should get whatever he wants?
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... Plus of course what protected group does Trump belong to?
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... BTW, the appropriate analogy to bakers refusing to bake for a same-sex couple would be Rockettes management refusing to perform for Trump because he was straight, or something similar. It's always bizarre to me when people think that "sexual predator" is analogous to "gay".
The difference is so obvious but I'm not surprised some of the right wingers on the forum just don't get it.
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Er, uh, evidence for what?
For your claimed death threats, for a start.
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Seems like the Rockettes want a freedom of conscience exemption to avoid serving a paying customer. Because the Rockettes, like all progs, are hateful hypocritical douchebags.
Maybe this post is intended as a joke. In the event it's not...

There's a world of difference between discrimating against a class of people -- a class of people still struggling to achieve full rights in our society -- versus discriminating against an individual, world class mega douche.

Also, be careful with that broad brush please. It plastered my entire screen and I had to reboot.
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Exactly. When the shoe's on the other foot, you will be made to care. But when it's their convictions, "Hey, that's, like, totally different and stuff, Man."

As best I can tell, religious freedom/freedom of conscience is good when it involves peyote smoking Native American drug counselors or performers who just don't like Trump. But double plus ungood when it involves religious employers who don't want to pay for abortions or bakers who prefer not to cater homosexual weddings.
There's your problem.

Once again, your persistent attempts to excuse inexcusable behavior with false equivalences has failed, and your "peyote smoking Native American drug counselors" example is just as ludicrous as claiming that misogynistic douchebags are a protected class. But here's a situation that actually is equivalent: During Prohibition in the US, there were two exceptions in the Volstead Act: one was for medicines containing alcohol. Do you know what the other one was, and why it was excluded?
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Also, be careful with that broad brush please. It plastered my entire screen and I had to reboot.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
There's your problem.

Once again, your persistent attempts to excuse inexcusable behavior with false equivalences has failed, and your "peyote smoking Native American drug counselors" example is just as ludicrous as claiming that misogynistic douchebags are a protected class.
Or a religion.


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But here's a situation that actually is equivalent: During Prohibition in the US, there were two exceptions in the Volstead Act: one was for medicines containing alcohol. Do you know what the other one was, and why it was excluded?
Wine in church?
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Can you point me to their contract and the payment schedule? Plus of course what protected group does Trump belong to?
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Which protected group does Trump belong to and can you provide their contract and payment schedule?
The Oligarchy.

Remember that group who were bailed out after the crash they created?

Yep - THAT protected group.
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Kid Rock and Ted Nugent are some classy American musicians.

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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Kid Rock and Ted Nugent are some classy American musicians.

Trump: "Hey! Play that Wango the Tango song!"
Nugent: "uh, that's not the song and I don't do that any...
Trump: "Then play that Journey to the Center of your Mind"
Nugent: "I'm in hell..."
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