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Old 27th December 2016, 08:40 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Spock Jenkins View Post
Back then it wasn't fashionable to loath the guy.
Sure it was, but there's a difference between taking some money from a smarmy guy with the chance to get your brand in the public eye again . . . and condoning the inauguration of that same smarm-ball as leader of the free world.

As for the Rockettes, I don't get how they're still even a thing. They exist solely to be eye candy for prurient guys like me who dig leggy, high-class showgirls. Their whole schtick is to be objectified for their beauty. I don't want to belittle the hard work they put in, but they barely even dance. They're pretty much synchronized posers who break into some fun high kicks. They're a G-rated version of the Playboy Bunnies. Thus, the mere fact that their act has been requested for the 2017 Presidential Inauguration is a sign of, at best, insensitivity toward the needs and desires of American women.
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Old 27th December 2016, 09:23 AM   #162
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The next interesting possibility is if we get a round of shunning - against anyone who does take the gig. Let's see how far the taint is infectious and spreads from Trump to entertainers who show up. We could have a tasty bit of blacklisting, Hollywood style.

I do so like a good shunning. We can base it on, "You support sexual assault!"

Sweet Jesus, let the ostracizing begin!

"Hello? Yes, I'm calling to cancel my wedding arrangements with your company. I understand you catered the inauguration? I'm sorry, but I can't do business with anyone who promotes the sexual exploitation and rape of women."
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Originally Posted by Spock Jenkins View Post
Trace Adkins, Gene Simmons, Clint Black, T-Boz (of TLC fame), Brian McKnight, Sharon Osbourne (Ozzie connection?), Cyndi Lauper, David Cassidy, La Toya Jackson, Lil Jon, Mark McGrath, Meat Loaf, John Rich, Dionne Warwick, Clay Aiken, Debbie Gibson, Aubrey O'Day, Dee Snider, Bret Michaels, Kevin Jonas, Vince Neil, Carnie Wilson, and Boy George.

There. All singers who had no problem being associated with Trump in the past via Celebrity Apprentice. Okay - the last two are working with Arnold Schwarzenegger in the upcoming season, but I think was still Trump's show when they signed up. Back then it wasn't fashionable to loath the guy. Now it is. I'll allow that defining some of these as "singers" or "celebrity's" is a bit of a stretch these days.
I think Boy George should be the headliner.
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Old 27th December 2016, 09:48 AM   #164
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The next interesting possibility is if we get a round of shunning - against anyone who does take the gig. Let's see how far the taint is infectious and spreads from Trump to entertainers who show up. We could have a tasty bit of blacklisting, Hollywood style.

I do so like a good shunning. We can base it on, "You support sexual assault!"

Sweet Jesus, let the ostracizing begin!

"Hello? Yes, I'm calling to cancel my wedding arrangements with your company. I understand you catered the inauguration? I'm sorry, but I can't do business with anyone who promotes the sexual exploitation and rape of women."
And it will be interesting to see if the people who object to Trump also object to working with Roman Polanski, and if the same people who call for boycotts and condemnation of Polanski give Trump a pass.
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:16 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Spock Jenkins View Post
Trace Adkins, Gene Simmons, Clint Black, T-Boz (of TLC fame), Brian McKnight, Sharon Osbourne (Ozzie connection?), Cyndi Lauper, David Cassidy, La Toya Jackson, Lil Jon, Mark McGrath, Meat Loaf, John Rich, Dionne Warwick, Clay Aiken, Debbie Gibson, Aubrey O'Day, Dee Snider, Bret Michaels, Kevin Jonas, Vince Neil, Carnie Wilson, and Boy George.

There. All singers who had no problem being associated with Trump in the past via Celebrity Apprentice. Okay - the last two are working with Arnold Schwarzenegger in the upcoming season, but I think was still Trump's show when they signed up. Back then it wasn't fashionable to loath the guy. Now it is. I'll allow that defining some of these as "singers" or "celebrity's" is a bit of a stretch these days.
Two things.

First, we have learned a lot more about Trump during his campaign than someone looking over an offer to appear on a T.V. show would probably have come up with.

Second, showing up on a reality T.V. show centered on a guy who has an extravagant lifestyle and bombastic personality is rather benign compared to performing at their Presidential Inauguration (especially in light of the former issue).

That's kind of tough to just dismiss as mere bandwagoning.
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:31 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Spock Jenkins View Post
Trace Adkins, Gene Simmons, Clint Black, T-Boz (of TLC fame), Brian McKnight, Sharon Osbourne (Ozzie connection?), Cyndi Lauper, David Cassidy, La Toya Jackson, Lil Jon, Mark McGrath, Meat Loaf, John Rich, Dionne Warwick, Clay Aiken, Debbie Gibson, Aubrey O'Day, Dee Snider, Bret Michaels, Kevin Jonas, Vince Neil, Carnie Wilson, and Boy George.

There. All singers who had no problem being associated with Trump in the past via Celebrity Apprentice. Okay - the last two are working with Arnold Schwarzenegger in the upcoming season, but I think was still Trump's show when they signed up. Back then it wasn't fashionable to loath the guy. Now it is. I'll allow that defining some of these as "singers" or "celebrity's" is a bit of a stretch these days.
Was that before he started campaigning for president? If so they very much probably hadn't known about him being a racist, misogynist, sexual predator and a swindler as much of that only came to the attention of the masses during his campaign.

Plus, at least over in the UK, we were loathing him long before you Americans!
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:33 AM   #167
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First, we have learned a lot more about Trump during his campaign than someone looking over an offer to appear on a T.V. show would probably have come up with.
Disagree here. Pretty much everything that was brought up in the campaign existed at the time of the TV show. I realize he wasn't president then - but it's not new info. NBC was sitting on the clip of their guy exchanging crude banter with him. But NBC didn't have morals then because his TV show was providing a solid revenue stream. If what he said and did was wrong during the campaign, it was wrong when he did it and NBC should've had the courage to cut ties with him at the time. But it's a selective morality.

Hypocrisy is rampant these days. Make no mistake - I'm not excusing Trump.
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:34 AM   #168
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Plus, at least over in the UK, we were loathing him long before you Americans!
I think Atlantic City and New York were ahead of the UK in that regard.
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:37 AM   #169
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And it will be interesting to see if the people who object to Trump also object to working with Roman Polanski, and if the same people who call for boycotts and condemnation of Polanski give Trump a pass.
Got any examples in mind?
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Old 27th December 2016, 11:42 AM   #170
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Disagree here. Pretty much everything that was brought up in the campaign existed at the time of the TV show. I realize he wasn't president then - but it's not new info. NBC was sitting on the clip of their guy exchanging crude banter with him. But NBC didn't have morals then because his TV show was providing a solid revenue stream. If what he said and did was wrong during the campaign, it was wrong when he did it and NBC should've had the courage to cut ties with him at the time. But it's a selective morality.

Hypocrisy is rampant these days. Make no mistake - I'm not excusing Trump.
You are trying to move the goal posts. You were listing "celebrities" and those that you mentioned would not have known about his sexual assaulting women over decades. That only came out during the campaign. And that was what everyone was responding to.

If you now want to concede that the celebrities weren't displaying hypocrisy and you were mistaken fair enough.

In regards to your new claim about the network. You haven't shown hypocrisy (yet), but I would agree with you if those making the commissioning decisions knew he was a serial sex assaulter then they should have dumped him. But the commercial world is not known for its high ethical standards, it's all about turning a buck, for an example of such low ethics in the commercial sector look into the business career of a guy called Donald Trump - terrible.
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You are trying to move the goal posts. You were listing "celebrities" and those that you mentioned would not have known about his sexual assaulting women over decades. That only came out during the campaign. And that was what everyone was responding to.

If you now want to concede that the celebrities weren't displaying hypocrisy and you were mistaken and fair enough.

In regards to your new claim about the network. You haven't shown hypocrisy (yet), but I would agree with you if those making the commissioning decisions knew he was a serial sex assaulter then they should have dumped him. But the commercial world is not known for its high ethical standards, it's all about turning a buck, for an example of such low ethics in the commercial sector look into the business career of a guy called Donald Trump - terrible.
Sorry - I insinuated the 'celebrities' may have known more than they could have at the time in an attempt to make a joke about who he could get to perform at the inauguration.

The hypocrisy is at the corporate level in that they had that information, yet didn't come out with it until it was convenient for ratings. NBC sat on the recording for years. Having milked the Apprentice for all it's worth, then suddenly getting morals when campaign ratings were in full swing.

Maybe if they fired him then and released the recording, his campaign never gets any traction at all and we have better options overall this time around.
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A veritable smörgåsbord of washed-up has-beens or never-beens. Seems quite right.
Well, then...

OK Go.
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Disagree here. Pretty much everything that was brought up in the campaign existed at the time of the TV show. I realize he wasn't president then - but it's not new info.
The info might not be 'new', our awareness of it is. Perception is reality. You're applying retroactive judgment. If only I could tell my 20 year old self the things I now now...sheesh what a buffoon I was.

Armies of production assistants and interns working for press outlets tend to be able to uncover a bit more information than an agent with lots of clients taking a quick glance over someone's public profile as a precaution against a collaboration turning into a PR disaster.

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Given the plethora of issues we have these days with 'fake news' or lack of context and substance, I can't entirely fault them for exercising some caution. As a sometimes amateur documentary journalist, I can tell you there are numerous reasons why 'raw video/audio' without any setup, analysis, or follow-up statements collected from relevant parties can actually give a less accurate (or distraction-prone) presentation. There's a difference between 'sitting on' or squashing a story and developing a story. I personally don't know if it was that principled, but I also doubt you know that it isn't. My leading suspicion of a non-ethical reason to wait was for maximum impact. I don't even mean the most political impact, but the most revenue potential, it was kinda hard to find any open news cycle gaps these past few months.

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If what he said and did was wrong during the campaign, it was wrong when he did it and NBC should've had the courage to cut ties with him at the time. But it's a selective morality.
You sound like you mean they sat on them (as a known potential news story item) for over a decade. That's not the case. Maybe half a dozen people (camera operator, producer, editor, people who appear in the footage) even know that exchange occurred 11 years ago and one of them happened to have their memory jogged when reading another example of Trump's behavior. At that time it was an exchange that even those who worked on the project might roll their eyes at, but there is an NDA and you just get used to having to keep your mouth shut.

This one time, I worked on a PSA with Selena Gomez for <NDA>. From the minute she arrived on set, she was <NDA>. After several takes, the director and one of her handlers went to a side room to <NDA>. After they returned, she <NDA>. After we finally got back to business, there was still a lot of <NDA> going on. Eventually we wrapped and I've been dying to tell people what happened, but I signed an agreement saying that I would <NDA>.

Also, it's not like every second of footage of every NBC program is run by the NBC news desk. In fact, while Access Hollywood is an 'in-house' production of the NBC 'brand', almost all media organizations compartmentalize their physical production, conceptual development, organizational management, and distribution units.

With that factored in, the 'sat on it' time is a week or so, then they got scooped because of a leak from within their own organization!

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Hypocrisy is rampant these days. Make no mistake - I'm not excusing Trump.
Changing one's position upon acquiring new data isn't hypocrisy. In fact, I think we don't see nearly enough of that happen in life.

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Got any examples in mind?
Nope. That's why I said it would interesting if there are any. Do you think there won't be?
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A veritable smörgåsbord of washed-up has-beens or never-beens. Seems quite right.
At least one of which really does have brain damage.
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At least one of which really does have brain damage.
Wait, we're talking about the performers here. Leave the honoree out of it.
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Trace Adkins, Gene Simmons, Clint Black, T-Boz (of TLC fame), Brian McKnight, Sharon Osbourne (Ozzie connection?), Cyndi Lauper, David Cassidy, La Toya Jackson, Lil Jon, Mark McGrath, Meat Loaf, John Rich, Dionne Warwick, Clay Aiken, Debbie Gibson, Aubrey O'Day, Dee Snider, Bret Michaels, Kevin Jonas, Vince Neil, Carnie Wilson, and Boy George.

There. All singers who had no problem being associated with Trump in the past via Celebrity Apprentice. Okay - the last two are working with Arnold Schwarzenegger in the upcoming season, but I think was still Trump's show when they signed up. Back then it wasn't fashionable to loath the guy. Now it is. I'll allow that defining some of these as "singers" or "celebrity's" is a bit of a stretch these days.
He didn't really show people what he was until he jumped on the birther bandwagon.
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It looks like there's now photographic evidence of Donald Trump doing a "pussy grab." How embarrassing.

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Mary said that, as far as she knew, none of the women of color in the Rockettes had signed up to perform at Trump's inauguration. "It's almost worse to have 18 pretty white girls behind this man who supports so many hate groups," she added, noting the group's already "embarrassing" lack of diversity.

Members of the Rockettes are also wary of performing at Trump's inauguration out of respect for, and in solidarity with, members of the Rockette and Radio City staff. "It's the ensemble," Mary said. "It's the people in our wardrobe and hair department, some of whom are transgender. These are our friends and our family, who we've worked with for years. It's a basic human-rights issue. We have immigrants in the show. I feel like dancing for Trump would be disrespecting the men and women who work with us, the people we care about." ...
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They should all dance out of step.
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They should all dance out of step.
Or stand there and turn their backs. Ya know what I keep remembering is how the Boy King humiliated Romney just for the sick pleasure of it. "Now dance for me, winches!"
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Or stand there and turn their backs. Ya know what I keep remembering is how the Boy King humiliated Romney just for the sick pleasure of it. "Now dance for me, winches!"
In that case, the best vengeance would be if they danced out, then sat down to reveal they'd been screening the real star: Chris Christie, dressed as a Rockette, kicking as high as he can while shooting the bird from both hands at Trump.
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I think Boy George should be the headliner.
Or at least the eyeliner.

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It looks like there's now photographic evidence of Donald Trump doing a "pussy grab." How embarrassing.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=11116
Pretty much the same expression Lee Harvey Oswald had when Jack Ruby shot him.
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And that's where it ends up, when we take subjective, irrational fears seriously. It ends up with the incoming President of the United States wearing handcuffs at his own inauguration.

The subjective, irrational fear that a man who had previously, cheerfully confessed to an act might cheerfully undertake the same act again in similar circumstances? That irrational fear?

How many straight lines do you need form a to b before you move from 'irrational' to 'rational'.
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RollingStone: Radio City Rockette Talks Turmoil Over Trump Inauguration

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Members of the Rockettes are also wary of performing at Trump's inauguration out of respect for, and in solidarity with, members of the Rockette and Radio City staff. "It's the ensemble," Mary said. "It's the people in our wardrobe and hair department, some of whom are transgender. These are our friends and our family, who we've worked with for years. It's a basic human-rights issue. We have immigrants in the show. I feel like dancing for Trump would be disrespecting the men and women who work with us, the people we care about." ...
I guess this poor little Rockette has been confused by fake news. Why else would she think that Trump is against (or disrespectful of) immigrants, gays, or transgender people? Would she feel differently about any other Republican candidate? Trump is probably the most pro-LGBTQ of any of the original 17 Republican candidates (save, perhaps, Rand Paul, although he's probably against treating them as a protected class under the civil rights laws).
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The subjective, irrational fear that a man who had previously, cheerfully confessed to an act might cheerfully undertake the same act again in similar circumstances? That irrational fear?

How many straight lines do you need form a to b before you move from 'irrational' to 'rational'.
It is highly irrational, to the point of delusion, to think that Trump is going to do any pussy-grabbing at his own inauguration. The people turning him down are doing so to make a political statement (or, in most cases, to avoid ostracism from those who wish to make a political statement). It can't possibly have anything to do with fear of being assaulted.
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It is highly irrational, to the point of delusion, to think that Trump is going to do any pussy-grabbing at his own inauguration. The people turning him down are doing so to make a political statement (or, in most cases, to avoid ostracism from those who wish to make a political statement). It can't possibly have anything to do with fear of being assaulted.
Yep. As I said before, it's a red herring and a distraction. But it's one created by arguers in this thread (and perhaps elsewhere). I've not heard of any invitee saying that they're not attending for fear of being molested.

People should own up to their political positions. "The man is a hateful turdblossom and I don't want my name associated in any way with his inauguration or presidency." I'm sure that's a statement we can all get behind.
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I guess this poor little Rockette has been confused by fake news. Why else would she think that Trump is against (or disrespectful of) immigrants, gays, or transgender people? Would she feel differently about any other Republican candidate? Trump is probably the most pro-LGBTQ of any of the original 17 Republican candidates (save, perhaps, Rand Paul, although he's probably against treating them as a protected class under the civil rights laws).
Fake news? You mean Trump's own words?

Immigrants- All those mexicans rapists bringing drugs
gays - Trump said he'd appoint a Justice who'd overturn marriage equality.
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Old 29th December 2016, 07:52 AM   #189
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You must be one of those people who says that Trump is only joking when he says the most extreme things to appeal to his grass roots. I would allow that by his deeds shall ye know him but from his cabinet picks he doesn't seem to be running to the sensible wing of humanity. He is certainly a man with a temper who can't be trusted to say the same thing twice about any issue, and has a history of pejorative words and actions towards people who he regards as outside the norm.
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Old 29th December 2016, 08:00 AM   #190
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[quote=Foolmewunz;11647709 "The man is a hateful turdblossom and I don't want my name associated in any way with his inauguration or presidency." I'm sure that's a statement we can all get behind.[/QUOTE]
I refuse to get behind Trump's turdblossoms.

Indeed - worry about playing Trump's inauguration for fear of sexual assault is practically a scarlet whale shark.
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Old 29th December 2016, 08:16 AM   #191
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
I guess this poor little Rockette has been confused by fake news. Why else would she think that Trump is against (or disrespectful of) immigrants, gays, or transgender people? Would she feel differently about any other Republican candidate? Trump is probably the most pro-LGBTQ of any of the original 17 Republican candidates (save, perhaps, Rand Paul, although he's probably against treating them as a protected class under the civil rights laws).
What rock have you been living under? The man has repeatedly denigrated immigrants, picked a vice president who has openly advocated for a proven to be COMPLETELY ineffective therapy to "fix" the gays in the past, and has openly stated he plans to nominate a SCOTUS justice who will likely help to overturn not only marriage equality but also Roe v. Wade, forcing women to go back to the days of back-alley coat hanger abortions and forcing lesbians and homosexuals back to the days of not being allowed to marry the person they love like anyone else in the country.

This is all public record. On video. His words, as well as Mike Pence's. It's a little difficult to be confused by video of the man saying these exact things.
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Does anyone know if that whacky Ted Nugent signed up to do the Trump inauguration entertainment?

After all, Teddy is normally so loving of right-wing stuff.
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Old 29th December 2016, 08:37 AM   #193
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Why else would she think that Trump is against (or disrespectful of) immigrants, gays, or transgender people?
Most likely because she listened to him during the campaign.
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Old 29th December 2016, 08:44 AM   #194
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Fake news? You mean Trump's own words?

Immigrants- All those mexicans rapists bringing drugs
gays - Trump said he'd appoint a Justice who'd overturn marriage equality.
You (and others) are conflating legal immigrants with illegal immigrants. To my knowledge, Trump has not denigrated legal immigrants. Nor has any prominent Republican politician.

Appointing conservative justices who take a dim view of Obergefell v Hodges is Republican orthodoxy. There isn't a single Republican candidate who wouldn't promise the same. If you have no other argument, then you are basically admitting that this isn't about Trump per se. It's about Republicans. As near as I can tell, Trump was the most pro-LGBTQ Republican candidate in the field.
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
You (and others) are conflating legal immigrants with illegal immigrants. To my knowledge, Trump has not denigrated legal immigrants. Nor has any prominent Republican politician.

Appointing conservative justices who take a dim view of Obergefell v Hodges is Republican orthodoxy. There isn't a single Republican candidate who wouldn't promise the same. If you have no other argument, then you are basically admitting that this isn't about Trump per se. It's about Republicans. As near as I can tell, Trump was the most pro-LGBTQ Republican candidate in the field.
Here is the quote in context. Where does he make any distinction between illegal and legal immigration?


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Our country is in serious trouble. We don't have victories anymore. We used to have victories, but we don't have them. When was the last time anybody saw us beating, let's say, China in a trade deal? They kill us. I beat China all the time. All the time.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE MEMBER: We want Trump. We want Trump.

TRUMP: When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn't exist, folks. They beat us all the time.

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.

It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over South and Latin America, and it's coming probably -- probably -- from the Middle East. But we don't know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast.

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TRUMP: Islamic terrorism is eating up large portions of the Middle East. They've become rich. I'm in competition with them.

They just built a hotel in Syria. Can you believe this? They built a hotel. When I have to build a hotel, I pay interest. They don't have to pay interest, because they took the oil that, when we left Iraq, I said we should've taken.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
And it will be interesting to see if the people who object to Trump also object to working with Roman Polanski
Why would that be interesting? Their actions aren't really comparable.
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The next interesting possibility is if we get a round of shunning - against anyone who does take the gig. Let's see how far the taint is infectious and spreads from Trump to entertainers who show up. We could have a tasty bit of blacklisting, Hollywood style.

I do so like a good shunning. We can base it on, "You support sexual assault!"

Sweet Jesus, let the ostracizing begin!

"Hello? Yes, I'm calling to cancel my wedding arrangements with your company. I understand you catered the inauguration? I'm sorry, but I can't do business with anyone who promotes the sexual exploitation and rape of women."
This standard may not work out the way you hope.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Why would that be interesting? Their actions aren't really comparable.
Both are serial sexual predators, one we know from their own words and testimony that supports his claims, the other from available evidence in a prosecution case.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
And it will be interesting to see if the people who object to Trump also object to working with Roman Polanski, and if the same people who call for boycotts and condemnation of Polanski give Trump a pass.
Seconded. It's annoying how many will make excuses for Polanski, and it's annoying how many will make excuses for Trump.

Personally, I still wouldn't approve of someone making excuses for them both, but it would be more consistent.

EDIT: Didn't see the replies above till after posting, but yeah, what Darat said. Both have admitted to sexual assault. While Polanski's is more severe, Trumps are far greater in number. Neither should really be acceptable to those with concern for such thing, regardless of quibbles to be made.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Both are serial sexual predators, one we know from their own words and testimony that supports his claims, the other from available evidence in a prosecution case.
"Sexual predator" is an ill-defined word which is used to cover an incredible range of behavior. Your use of the term is a deliberate attempt to conflate very different behaviors, to confuse rather than enlighten.

Rapist, on the other hand, is a lot more specific. Polanski is a rapist. Trump is not.
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