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Old 11th April 2019, 06:34 PM   #841
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
He did nothing of the sort, Trump kicked his ass, and got him fired.

now the former special guest of the Iowa democrats is looking at hard time.

Now that TBD is gone, I can admit that I was never much of a fan of Avenatti. Stormy Daniels was telling the truth, the NDA was worthless, and Trump's cover-up is its own mess. Avenatti happened to be the lawyer to handle that and it was, on balance, a good thing. However, that doesn't make Avenatti a good person.

That sort of nuance is difficult for some people to accept.
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I said a while back that I would take anything Avenatti said as truth over what The PDJT says.

I no longer think that.
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Old 11th April 2019, 08:09 PM   #843
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
Now that TBD is gone, I can admit that I was never much of a fan of Avenatti. Stormy Daniels was telling the truth, the NDA was worthless, and Trump's cover-up is its own mess. Avenatti happened to be the lawyer to handle that and it was, on balance, a good thing. However, that doesn't make Avenatti a good person.

That sort of nuance is difficult for some people to accept.
I refuse to accept this. We must have only binary options. Either he was good or bad. And everything he did is just an extension of that. Any one who things otherwise is a bad person and should not be allowed to eat ice cream.
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Old 12th April 2019, 02:33 AM   #844
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If the allegations are true, he is a total scumbag and should be disbarred as well as sent to prison.

Stealing money from clients!

Never mind the tax cheating and other allegations, but this guy is a real sociopath.

A shyster, a mountebank, a con-man. As bad or worse than Trump. To think that some people thought he should run for president.

There were signs that he was fishy, and did things without consulting his client first. He set up a legal defense fund for Daniels, without her knowledge, but he controlled it. He filed a lawsuit without asking her first, and it ended up backfiring. She was held liable for paying Trump's attorney fees. Not to mention that he used her as a way to propel himself into the spotlight.

But this is a whole new level of scum-baggery. He makes Saul Goodman look like a pillar of ethics by comparison.

Avenatti indicted on 36 charges of tax dodging, perjury, theft from clients

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Avenatti stole millions of dollars from five clients and used a tangled web of shell companies and bank accounts to cover up the theft, the Santa Ana grand jury alleged in an indictment that prosecutors made public Thursday.

One of the clients, Geoffrey Ernest Johnson, was a mentally ill paraplegic on disability who won a $4-million settlement of a suit against Los Angeles County. The money was wired to Avenatti in January 2015, but he hid it from Johnson for years, according to the indictment.

In 2017, Avenatti received $2.75 million in proceeds from another client’s legal settlement, but concealed that too, the indictment says. The next day, he put $2.5 million of that money into the purchase of a private jet for Passport 420, LLC, a company he effectively owned, according to prosecutors.
There. He stole from his mentally ill paraplegic client. Allegedly (but is there any doubt?). Of course, prosecutors must prove all of this, but there's a lot of smoke. His law firm is in receivership. Being sued by his former partner. He is such a blowhard too.

Lawyers are supposed to look out for their client's best interests, not to steal from them.
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Old 12th April 2019, 04:16 AM   #845
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
If the allegations are true, he is a total scumbag and should be disbarred as well as sent to prison.

Stealing money from clients!

Never mind the tax cheating and other allegations, but this guy is a real sociopath.

A shyster, a mountebank, a con-man. As bad or worse than Trump. To think that some people thought he should run for president.

There were signs that he was fishy, and did things without consulting his client first. He set up a legal defense fund for Daniels, without her knowledge, but he controlled it. He filed a lawsuit without asking her first, and it ended up backfiring. She was held liable for paying Trump's attorney fees. Not to mention that he used her as a way to propel himself into the spotlight.

But this is a whole new level of scum-baggery. He makes Saul Goodman look like a pillar of ethics by comparison.

Avenatti indicted on 36 charges of tax dodging, perjury, theft from clients



There. He stole from his mentally ill paraplegic client. Allegedly (but is there any doubt?). Of course, prosecutors must prove all of this, but there's a lot of smoke. His law firm is in receivership. Being sued by his former partner. He is such a blowhard too.

Lawyers are supposed to look out for their client's best interests, not to steal from them.
It gets even better. Allegedly Avenatti intentionally failed to submit paperwork to the Social Security Administration for said client, because doing so would likely expose said embezzlement of funds. Since the paperwork was never filed, the disabled client stopped receiving SSI benefits he was entitled to. Poor client.
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Avenatti was able to get the better of Trump because he understood him birds of a feather, and all that. A pair of grifters.
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Old 13th April 2019, 02:48 PM   #848
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This thread has now outlived the purpose for which it was created. The punchline being that now Avenatti is actually interesting. But interesting in the same way that a crash at a car race is interesting.
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He seemed too much like Trump to me and I really hoped he wouldn't run in 2020 when that nonsense was brought up
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Are there any conspiracy theories about this? Anyone claiming Trump had the prosecutors trump up charges on Avenatti to keep him from running or something?
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Old 15th April 2019, 03:03 PM   #851
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Are there any conspiracy theories about this? Anyone claiming Trump had the prosecutors trump up charges on Avenatti to keep him from running or something?

I don't think anyone cares enough about Avenatti to bother dreaming up conspiracy theories in his defense.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
I don't think anyone cares enough about Avenatti to bother dreaming up conspiracy theories in his defense.
This. Contrary to what a former large canine poster here liked to pretend, "the left" never made a god out of Avenatti.
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Old 16th April 2019, 06:22 AM   #853
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I don't think anyone cares enough about Avenatti to bother dreaming up conspiracy theories in his defense.
I do think there was some brief hope of him being a good guy, I recall writing on this very forum something to effect of his being untrustworthy regarding his client with the rape accusation against Kavanaugh and getting some push back to the effect of no your wrong he's an upstanding citizen and lawyer.

Anyrate, you are probably right, that and it became pretty obvious early on that while he was going after Trump, which a fun to watch, he wasn't a good guy. So these charges are leveled and folks are mostly not that surprised.

Still, I'm surprised there are some random nuts on the internet trying to flog some sort of conspiracy out of it.
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Old 16th April 2019, 06:57 AM   #854
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Now that TBD is gone, I can admit that I was never much of a fan of Avenatti. Stormy Daniels was telling the truth, the NDA was worthless, and Trump's cover-up is its own mess. Avenatti happened to be the lawyer to handle that and it was, on balance, a good thing. However, that doesn't make Avenatti a good person.

That sort of nuance is difficult for some people to accept.
This. Almost felled compelled to defend Avenatti ... just because TBD.


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I do think there was some brief hope of him being a good guy, I recall writing on this very forum something to effect of his being untrustworthy regarding his client with the rape accusation against Kavanaugh and getting some push back to the effect of no your wrong he's an upstanding citizen and lawyer.

Anyrate, you are probably right, that and it became pretty obvious early on that while he was going after Trump, which a fun to watch, he wasn't a good guy. So these charges are leveled and folks are mostly not that surprised.

Still, I'm surprised there are some random nuts on the internet trying to flog some sort of conspiracy out of it.
IDK that I saw a lot of defense of him as a good guy ... he seemed like a decent attorney who knew how to play the same media game trump was playing, so that seemed like an excellent combination against trump.

Seems the problem is that when most of Avenattis supporters found out what a toolbox he is, the dropped him like a hot potato. Trumps supporters, not so much.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 05:03 PM   #855
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He even stole $300,000 from Stormy.

https://www.apnews.com/a6e717dc8d224706a766b759ffded030
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But he still deserves credit for damage he did to Trump. He's a sleezeball but he was the sleezeball to put a hole in Trump's armor. He needs to pay for what he did but that doesn't mean his hurting Trump was a bad thing.
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Who would have guessed a year ago that both Cohen and Avenatti would be headed to prison? Also both betrayed their former clients. Kinda ironic, strange symmetry to this.
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Who would have guessed a year ago that both Cohen and Avenatti would be headed to prison? Also both betrayed their former clients. Kinda ironic, strange symmetry to this.
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But he still deserves credit for damage he did to Trump. He's a sleezeball but he was the sleezeball to put a hole in Trump's armor. He needs to pay for what he did but that doesn't mean his hurting Trump was a bad thing.
I keep seeing this claim repeated by you... And nowhere else. What exactly was the big win?
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But he still deserves credit for damage he did to Trump. He's a sleezeball but he was the sleezeball to put a hole in Trump's armor. He needs to pay for what he did but that doesn't mean his hurting Trump was a bad thing.
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I keep seeing this claim repeated by you... And nowhere else. What exactly was the big win?
Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
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Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
Melania is all like, "Better her than me . . ."
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Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
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Melania is all like, "Better her than me . . ."
Don't get me wrong.

If it's The One Thing, then it's The One Thing, for better or for worse, and we'll have to deal with that fact as it comes.

Progressives have been searching for this grail since before the election. How gratifying it would be to some of them, if they've actually had it in their hands for almost a year now. But is that true? Is anybody besides Craig4 actually talking about this? I don't watch Maddow - is she talking about this? Is it coming up at all in NPR programming? Or is this supposed to be a delayed-fuse bomb? Nothing now, but after the primaries the Democratic nominee will start hammering Trump on it? "Yes, Mister President, but remember Avenatti-Daniels-Cohen!" and his feet of clay will crumble? Something like that?
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As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.
I do think that there is some value in the Daniels (and Karen McDougal) revelations.

Even though people knew Trump was a womanizer in earlier marriages, having more concrete proof that such activities continued into his 3rd marriage is useful.

- the publicity and legal fallout has removed former Trump allies (Cohen as his lawyer, the National Enquirer running interference)

- It makes it harder for Trump's evangelical supporters to justify their support of Trump. (When people see various christian groups suggesting Trump is doing gods work, then hear about him and Stormy, it reflects badly on them.)

- It may set the stage for future legal actions against Trump

Now, it is unfortunate that Avenatti played a part in it. It would have been nice if the case was handled by someone who was just as charismatic but less corrupt, so that it wouldn't provide cover for Trump supporters. "Yeah Trump banged a porn star and engaged in illegal activities to cover it up, but Daniel's lawyer was corrupt, so you can ignore all the fraud Trump has engaged in."
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Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
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Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
Well, heís certainly no Angel
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Avenatti will almost certainly get more prison time than Manafort, Cohen or anyone else involved in Trump's criminal organizations.
Which just goes to show that betraying a client for personal gain is considered to be worse than betraying your country for personal gain.
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Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
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No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
To be fair, the right has trump... itís not as if either side is immune to partisan cheering
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Avenatti will almost certainly get more prison time than Manafort, Cohen or anyone else involved in Trump's criminal organizations.
Which just goes to show that betraying a client for personal gain is considered to be worse than betraying your country for personal gain.
Is that how you perceive someone who straight-up embezzled nearly $3M from a disabled client? Defrauded the federal tax payments of hundreds of employees? Wow, the "rationalising" of a neoliberal.
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To be fair, the right has trump... itís not as if either side is immune to partisan cheering
Yeh, if all else fails, try some whataboutery.
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No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
1.) You should read more of this thread. Most here liked when Avenatti was going after Trump but the man himself is not well liked.

2.) I would encourage you to look up the meaning of neo-liberal. The term is often used to describe Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.
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Is that how you perceive someone who straight-up embezzled nearly $3M from a disabled client? Defrauded the federal tax payments of hundreds of employees? Wow, the "rationalising" of a neoliberal.
you misunderstand me - possibly deliberately.

I have been a fan of Avenatti, and I have no problem with him getting 30 years.
I do have a problem with Manafort, who is the causal link to the deaths of hundreds of thousands getting only 7 1/2 years.

Ratrionalise this.
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you misunderstand me - possibly deliberately.

I have been a fan of Avenatti, and I have no problem with him getting 30 years.
I do have a problem with Manafort, who is the causal link to the deaths of hundreds of thousands getting only 7 1/2 years.

Ratrionalise this.
I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
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Old 26th May 2019, 01:53 PM   #876
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I, on the other hand, was never a fan of Avenatti, but loved what he was doing to to Trump. He's a sleazy lawyer who represented a sleazy pornstar and showed what a sleazeball Trump is.
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Old 26th May 2019, 02:22 PM   #877
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
People are often guilty of seeing what they want to see. We all do it; liberal, neo-liberals, conservatives, far-right, moderates, you name it. The difference I see here is that those who may have initially supported Avenatti because of what he was doing, are largely now acknowledging that he is a crook and a sleazebag. But you cannot deny that he brought Daniel's story to the forefront and helped expose Trump's sleazy affairs, lies, and cover-ups. On the other hand, not everyone has the ability to admit when someone they have supported has repeatedly shown s/he is unworthy of that support because they are a lying corrupt POS.
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Old 26th May 2019, 08:33 PM   #878
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
that's news to me.
Why don't you quote a post of mine that would support this?
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I can't believe that anyone thought a lying, cheating, dishonest fraud could one be the President of the United States.
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I can't believe that anyone thought a lying, cheating, dishonest fraud could one be the President of the United States.
And yet...he is. Go figure.
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