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Let's not forget that Trump has already announced the Trump Wall as 100% effective, so once it's built there'll be no need for anything more. No going back to investigate and ameliorate actual problems and solutions because there will no longer be any problems. Trump has said so, and so it shall be.
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Trump ripped for plan to steal military funds for his wall by GOP Armed Forces Committee members
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@DanRather tweeted: "The Constitution should not be considered a mere speed bump in the path of a reckless driver."
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Assdination would be overkill. They'll have to settle for half assdination.
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money. They eventually get released into the country and some will maybe go to their court hearing - two years later. The rest remain unaccounted for. If sensors or patrols catch them that means they are already here. Unless we start driving them back to the border and kicking them out on the spot (which is what we should do), keeping them from getting in at all is the desired result. If they can't cross the barrier then the only choices are to keep trying or turn back. If we start kicking them out instead then no, we don't need a wall. But if we continue this catch-and-release crap then ya I want a damn barrier because this is not working. Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs. I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is. Idiot lawmakers in Cali are happy to give away drivers licenses, health care, voting rights (in SF). I see no sign of that changing, so if they won't do the right thing we need a asterisking wall. Again, if you want to avoid a wall then the people in charge need to start giving a crap. Sanctuary state? Uh no I don't think so - build the f'n wall. |
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I think somebody just does not like having to live with people with brown skins....
Not aimed at You, trebuchet.... |
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Let's not get sidetracked.
The issue is not if the wall is a good idea or a bad one,but that,good or bad,Trump is choosing a reckless and dangerous end run around the Constituion to get it. I would be equally opposed if a Democratic President tried this to get project that he liked and congress turned down funded. Let's stick to the main issue, folks. |
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So...what? Shoot them on sight and save a lot of expense? Why do you need a wall for that? Just make it open season on illegals with a year-round hunting license, and I'm sure all the gun-happies will be glad to contribute some time.
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And things that would work, sensor networks, increased funding and training to border patrol, even some limited physical barriers in some areas are and have always been on the table. They just don't matter because "The Wall" is such a symbolic part of Trump's persona he can't budge on it.
There's countless compromise solutions that would actually improve security along our borders and other points on entry that would be readily accepted by all sides if one petulant man-child wasn't letting it represent his manhood. When the CATO Institute and the ACLU are both against something, it's probably a bad idea. |
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- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset - "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal - "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC |
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What would work would be to have well-staffed embassies in origin countries and make it easy for those who qualify to get refugee status.
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If Donny Q.* ever gets his hands on that big hunka money, count on two things:
1. The Great Wall will never be built. 2. Every cent of those billions will be stolen, peculated, and boondoggled away, some into Donny's own pockets, and much of it into the pockets of the guys who own him. * For Quisling. What else? |
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- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset - "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal - "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC |
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Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.
Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand. |
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This is very threatening for American democracy. Trump and his cult is expecting this to go to the SCOTUS where they expect that they'll rule in Trump's favor. I find it very possible that it could happen, since there are 2 appointed Trump loyalists on the SCOTUS bench and, of the other 3 conservatives, only Roberts has some semblance of a spine to stand up against his own party's authoritarian leanings.
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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So I've started a blog about my writing. Check it out at: http://fourth-planet-problem.blogspot.com/ And my first book is on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077W322FX |
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Of course if there was a desire to actually stop illegal immigration maybe stop handing out exemptions from the e-verify system to states that use lots of seasonal migrant labour? But I guess that would be too hard.
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So I've started a blog about my writing. Check it out at: http://fourth-planet-problem.blogspot.com/ And my first book is on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077W322FX |
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