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Old 19th February 2019, 12:58 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Simply put, an unapologetic progressive on stage allows for progressive politics to become part of the conversation that would not otherwise be possible without running. Neoliberalism needs to be challenged from within.
I do expect to have several unapologetic progressives on the stage, and Bernie is certainly welcome to compete with them. But neither Trump nor Bernie will be competing against Hillary again.
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Old 19th February 2019, 01:26 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Let the Republicans waste their time with the ideological purity test of D candidates. The more the merrier.
That worked out well for the GOP last time round.

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Yes, the classic "You can't participate because it'll ruin everything" line that the center-right D's have been using on the progressive wing forever.

The Democratic party is just going to have to learn to include the progressives in the conversation.
Nope, not at all. If you want a left wing candidate to get the nomination, encourage a lot of centrist candidates and few or just one left wing candidate. Split the right wing not he left and the left has a better chance of getting their candidate the nomination.
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Old 19th February 2019, 01:28 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
The best thing for the Democrats is for Sanders to stay as far away as possible, and endorse whomever the eventual candidate is.
That sounds like the best thing for Trump, actually.
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Old 19th February 2019, 01:54 PM   #44
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Seth 'Frecking' Rollins for President 2020!
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Old 19th February 2019, 02:03 PM   #45
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The best thing for the Democrats is for Sanders to stay as far away as possible, and endorse whomever the eventual candidate is.
That sounds like the best thing for Trump, actually.
Ummm... why?

I gave a reason why I think Sanders should stay out... he might cause some divisions in the electorate that will be a little harder for the Democrats to get through. So what's the supposed benefit for Trump if Sanders stays in the race?
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Old 19th February 2019, 05:12 PM   #46
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People keep saying this but Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in '16 at a higher percentage than Clinton supporters for Obama in '08.
Was going to post this.

This whole "the Bernie bros ruin everything" is utter BS.
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Old 19th February 2019, 05:15 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
Strange how those "you'll split the party" arguments never apply to centrists and third way Democrats.
Yeah, it's so weird.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:10 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'd put folding money on the table that for every vocal "OMG BERNIE DIDN'T GET THE NOM I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP" online Bernie Bro rant, the Democrats gained multiple voters and no small amount of campaign dollars.
Trump himself pretty much claimed to be a “if Bernie’s not running, I suppose I’d better vote for me” voter. His followers were taking their cue from him.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:11 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Trakar View Post
The time has come.

Berning down the house
Oh won't this make you a happy camper.

I think both Sanders and Warren are in their own echo chambers hearing how they can save the country. It didn't happen in 2016 and I don't see much evidence it's going to happen in 2020.

The GOP, regardless of Trump running or not, have already started their fear mongering campaign: Socialism equates to Maduro and Venezuela.

The American public already thinks socialism is the liberal goal, no capitalism allowed. And once again the Democrats are failing to counter the lie.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:11 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Seth 'Frecking' Rollins for President 2020!
I’d like to see Henry Rollins run for president.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:16 PM   #51
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I do expect to have several unapologetic progressives on the stage, and Bernie is certainly welcome to compete with them. But neither Trump nor Bernie will be competing against Hillary again.
And?
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:17 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Nonsense!
The only thing standing between Bernie and 2020 is a hostile DNC, a rigged primary!
Remember her emails!
Would have been a Poe if not for the last line.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:20 PM   #53
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I'd probably vote for Rollen Stewart if it was a choice of him or Trump. They probably don't let him tweet from prison, that'd be a plus.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:28 PM   #54
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People keep saying this but Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in '16 at a higher percentage than Clinton supporters for Obama in '08.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong but, out of curiosity, what's your source on that?
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:31 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This happens every election. The internet gets itself worked into a frenzy over some outside the mainstream darkhorse candidate, they convince themselves he can win, make up all sorts of conspiracy theories about why he didn't, wash, rinse, repeat.

Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, kinda of Ralph Nader, (arguably) Bat Buchanan, hell Ross Perot was almost like a weird, proto-version of it.

And the idea that Bernie Sanders lost the election for Clinton is laughable. He came in behind Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Evan McMullin, and Darrel Castle and as always everyone was running a distant second to perennial write in favorite "Did Note Vote" who has held every elected office in America since forever.
Sanders didn't sink Clinton single handedly but his attack on her relationship with Goldman Sachs, Clinton's poor handling of the attack (she should have gone with the 10,000 Women campaign but I digress), Sander's grudgingly milquetoast support of Clinton when she won, and Sanders' obvious sour grapes blaming the DNC did indeed subtract some Clinton votes.

But so did Russia's interference, Comey's incompetence, some of Stein's votes and as I noted above, Clinton's failure to counteract the attacks on her. IMO Clinton adopted the "ignore it" because "calling attention to it is worse" tactic and that was a big fail.


Otherwise I do generally agree with your post.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:32 PM   #56
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Raised more money than anybody in the country in just 4 hours.
Awesome. It's about time you USAians get an actual left wing.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:37 PM   #58
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People keep saying this but Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in '16 at a higher percentage than Clinton supporters for Obama in '08.
But also John McCain was not Donald Trump.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:37 PM   #59
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Bernie has shown that he doesn't have what it takes to become POTUS. He's also too old now. He should stand aside and make his network work for Tulsi.
I don't mind Tulsi Gabbard but I'd rather have someone more consistent over the decades with less baggage.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:38 PM   #60
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The problem with Sanders wasn't people doing write-ins; the problem was either 1) people switching from the Democrats to Trump or Stein, or 2) people deciding just not to vote. And the (false) claim that "Clinton rigged the primaries" gave people an excuse.

There were a lot of reasons Clinton lost... Its hard to pin it to any one factor, but anything that harmed her campaign (even if it wasn't a "death blow" by itself) would have contributed to her loss.
This ^
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:41 PM   #61
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Does it matter? He didn't get enough votes to swing an election for 3rd Assistant Dog Catcher in Dishwater, WV. You could take every electoral vote that wasn't won by Trump or Hillary, multiple it by ten, give them to Hillary and she still would have been nowhere close to winning.

I don't see looking at results where one side got a score of 227, one got a score of 304 and the side that got 227 looking at the guy who scored 1 and screaming "YOU RUINED THIS FOR ME!"

Hell Colin Powell got 3 electoral votes and he wasn't even running. Someone for whom not one single vote was cast was awarded an electoral vote by an Unfaithless elector. Millions upon millions of eligible voters stayed home scratching their ass and watching Spongebob.

I don't get what damage Bernie did.


That's quite the cherry picking ignoring how those EC votes were decided.

Trump says this all the time, "look at the uge margin I won by."
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:42 PM   #62
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Funny how so many of the so called "progressive" USAians on this site are so oppsosed to an actual progressive candidate.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:50 PM   #63
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Trump's tariffs and protectionism is having a horrible impact on our economy
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According to the Waco Tribune-Herald, the Waco-based Texas Farm Bureau and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, at least 11,000 farmers in Texas believe that they’ve suffered from the tariffs and trade disputes that President Donald Trump has instituted in his trade war with China.
Farming bankrupcies are soaring
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A total of 84 farms in the upper Midwest filed for bankruptcy between July 2017 and June 2018, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. That’s more than double the number of Chapter 12 filings during the same period in 2013 and 2014 in Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana.

Farms that produce corn, soybeans, milk, and beef were suffering due to low global demand and low prices, according to economists, and Trump’s trade war is making the problem even worse. China has slapped billions of dollars worth of tariffs on US agriculture exports in response to Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products. Other countries, including Canada, have also added duties to US agriculture products in response to Trump’s tariffs on all imported steel and aluminum.
Bernie Sanders is also a protectionist and tariff supporter. What is progressive and "left" about his protectionism? It is an old idea, and a bad idea and we are already paying a steep price of this populism, of "economic nationalism".

Even the Socialists think this is a really bad idea:
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Sanders combines his populist appeals with economic nationalism. Far from pursuing genuinely socialist politics, which is based on revolutionary internationalism, he opposes the international unity of the working class, calling instead for American workers to rally in defense of “their” national state against foreign capital.
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Old 19th February 2019, 06:51 PM   #64
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I do expect to have several unapologetic progressives on the stage, and Bernie is certainly welcome to compete with them. But neither Trump nor Bernie will be competing against Hillary again.
And?
Bernie got a lot of default support from Ds who just didn't like Hillary, and from those who just feared that 25 years of Hillary character assassination made her unelectable.
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Funny how so many of the so called "progressive" USAians on this site are so oppsosed to an actual progressive candidate.
That's quite the straw man you built there.
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I'm not saying you're right or wrong but, out of curiosity, what's your source on that?
WaPo.

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Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election.

An analysis of a different 2008 survey by the political scientists Michael Henderson, Sunshine Hillygus and Trevor Thompson produced a similar estimate: 25 percent. (Unsurprisingly, Clinton voters who supported McCain were more likely to have negative views of African Americans, relative to those who supported Obama.)

Thus, the 6 percent or 12 percent of Sanders supporters who may have supported Trump does not look especially large in comparison with these other examples.
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But also John McCain was not Donald Trump.
Hrm.

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(Unsurprisingly, Clinton voters who supported McCain were more likely to have negative views of African Americans, relative to those who supported Obama.)
I don't think it had much to do with McCain.
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I don't mind Tulsi Gabbard but I'd rather have someone more consistent over the decades with less baggage.

Well, she has a lot of advantages over Bernie. A woman, half Samoan, young, beautiful, charismatic, strong-willed, at least as progressive as Bernie, an active soldier with actual anti-war politics (contrary to Bernie's "muh Maduro bad" gate-keeping).

I can't wait to see her react at a debate to some nitwit calling her an "Assad apologist" with telling "the nation" about what she actually found in Syria.

She would so wipe the floor with Trump it wouldn't even be funny anymore. But of course her enemies are in her own party, and good ol' Bernie just made himself practically one of them.
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That's quite the straw man you built there.
How is it a strawman?
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Trump's tariffs and protectionism is having a horrible impact on our economy



Farming bankrupcies are soaring





Bernie Sanders is also a protectionist and tariff supporter. What is progressive and "left" about his protectionism? It is an old idea, and a bad idea and we are already paying a steep price of this populism, of "economic nationalism".



Even the Socialists think this is a really bad idea:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../sand-j01.html
When you put it that way, Sanders sounds like some kind of "national" socialist.
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Bernie got a lot of default support from Ds who just didn't like Hillary, and from those who just feared that 25 years of Hillary character assassination made her unelectable.
Yes, the GOP certainly demonized her.
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Bernie babe AOC is on the cover of this week's Economist.

I know, peripheral to the thread topic - I just wanted to post that fact.

I kind of agree Bernie is too old to run. Plus he ain't exactly mainstream.
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Bernie babe AOC is on the cover of this week's Economist.

I know, peripheral to the thread topic - I just wanted to post that fact.

I kind of agree Bernie is too old to run. Plus he ain't exactly mainstream.
You sure about that?
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Having two or three good ideas isn't sufficient to earn the presidency. Especially when there's no guarantee they'll actually get implemented by the legislature.
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Also while I like Bernie, I also like Warren and Yang, and probably more that I haven't looked at yet. There are many smart progressive candidates this time around that people can hopefully support
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That worked out well for the GOP last time round...
It sure did! Trump was the GOP candidate. And he won!
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Was going to post this.

This whole "the Bernie bros ruin everything" is utter BS.
It's not. You and Joe Morgue should check out the Jimmy Dore show. See what was brewing around 2016. You two can view it from different angles and come to an agreement. It'll be fun AND educational!
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It sure did! Trump was the GOP candidate. And he won!
Trump wasn't the GOP candidate, though. The GOP wanted him gone just as much as the Dems did.
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Old 19th February 2019, 07:58 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
It's not. You and Joe Morgue should check out the Jimmy Dore show. See what was brewing around 2016. You two can view it from different angles and come to an agreement. It'll be fun AND educational!
Keep voting for those centre-right neoliberals. I'm sure they will fix things for ya.
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