Trump's nickname.

acbytesla · 17th July 2018, 05:29 PM

Trump called a lot of his political opponents by a simple demeaning nickname. Little Marco Rubio, Lying Ted Cruz, Low Energy Jeb, Crispy Creme Christie etc. But I think it's time for everyone to call him a nickname.

I 've been trying to think of a good nickname for him. So many come to mind. Pussy Grabber, Deceitful Don, Drumpf Trump, Lying Turd or alternatively Lying POS.

But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump.

Any ideas? I'll put them up for a vote later.

Upchurch · 17th July 2018, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump.

I've used Traitor Trump before. My other favorite is Don the Con

Trebuchet · 17th July 2018, 05:36 PM

Loser. So much losing.

NoahFence · 17th July 2018, 05:37 PM

*********** ******* ************

acbytesla · 17th July 2018, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I've used Traitor Trump before. My other favorite is Don the Con

I like Don the Con.

Foolmewunz · 17th July 2018, 05:42 PM

I think Jefferson, the traitor elf, Sessions should really own "traitor". It's just such a lovely expression. (I have no idea who first used it.)

I'm not real big on "traitor" or "treason"; they're such old school jingoistic-sounding epithets. Treacherous works for me. "Treacherous Trump" has a nice ring to it.

I don't know why we can't go back to "Donnie the Idiot", though. Is alliteration all that important. It's also good to stick with disparaging terms that his own players have thought up. That's why "voodoo economics" stuck for so long.

Donald, He's a ******* Moron, Trump.

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 05:44 PM

I wish I could claim these as my own but I saw them in another thread. Nevertheless:

Agent Orange
Benedict Donald

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 05:46 PM

Oh man. If only you guys had figured out this whole nickname thing *before* the election! Everything would have turned out differently.

Better late than never, though. I'm sure this will finally be The One Thing that takes Trump down.

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 05:46 PM

In Trump's case "POTUS" stands for "Piece Of Totally Useless S***".

Craig4 · 17th July 2018, 05:48 PM

I like "The Hair". He's really sensitive about it so it's good.

dmaker · 17th July 2018, 05:49 PM

I vote for Agent Orange

The Big Dog · 17th July 2018, 06:04 PM

Probably "Mr. President."

Fantastic thread

Trebuchet · 17th July 2018, 06:08 PM

T. Ronald Dump

NoahFence · 17th July 2018, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Probably "Mr. President."

Fantastic thread

You're gonna take issue with childish nicknames?

cool story brotato chip.

Shalamar · 17th July 2018, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

You're gonna take issue with childish nicknames?

cool story brotato chip.

It's only bad if a liberal does it.

RecoveringYuppy · 17th July 2018, 06:12 PM

Putin's Poodle seems to already have some traction. Go with that.

sir drinks-a-lot · 17th July 2018, 06:15 PM

Triggering Trump

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shalamar

It's only bad if a ~~liberal~~ libtard does it.

FIFY.

Scootch · 17th July 2018, 06:19 PM

Just call him Trump but change the definition of Trump mean a horrible mess up,ie-"Gosh Bob you really Trumped it up now."

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shalamar

It's only bad if a liberal does it.

It's bad when anyone does it. Not very bad, but at least a little bad. When progressives do it *because Trump does it*, it's slightly more bad than when Trump does it. But still not very bad.

It's also comical. Not very, but at least a little. You can appreciate that, can't you?

Trebuchet · 17th July 2018, 06:27 PM

*********** A-hole.

The Big Dog · 17th July 2018, 06:32 PM

The President of the United States?

Distracted1 · 17th July 2018, 06:32 PM

I use "The Trumpster". Has appeal to me because it feels like the type of nickname that comes out of the juvenile eighties and has a "frat boy" vibe ,like "the Mooch".
Further, it rhymes nicely with "dumpster" (something that fills with garbage, frequently stinks, and needs to be hauled off).

The Russia summit might rightly then be described as a "Trumpster Fire".

Edit to add, I have never been particularly fond of name-calling. Always looked at it as bad behavior that no one I could respect would engage in. Then 2016.

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

The President of the United States?

He'll never be MY president. Ever.

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

I use "The Trumpster". Has appeal to me because it feels like the type of nickname that comes out of the juvenile eighties and has a "frat boy" vibe ,like "the Mooch".
Further, it rhymes nicely with "dumpster" (something that fills with garbage, frequently stinks, and needs to be hauled off).

The Russia summit might rightly then be described as a "Trumpster Fire".

I like how it works on more than one level. That's pretty clever.

acbytesla · 17th July 2018, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

It's bad when anyone does it. Not very bad, but at least a little bad. When progressives do it *because Trump does it*, it's slightly more bad than when Trump does it. But still not very bad.

It's also comical. Not very, but at least a little. You can appreciate that, can't you?

Hmmm. I would normally think it was childish as I thought Trump was childish when he did it.

It's clear that the childish nicknames rings a bell with a particular type of voter. So I say, why not fight fire with fire? Why not with just a simple moniker portray Trump as the dishonest Un-American traitor he proved to be?

If you have a better suggestion, then please share.

Elagabalus · 17th July 2018, 06:43 PM

Howie Felterbush*

*with apologies to poster Howie Felterbush. Whatever happened to Howie?

crescent · 17th July 2018, 06:45 PM

Lord Drumpf

tyr_13 · 17th July 2018, 06:50 PM

I thought he was 'Thirsty' right?

At any rate, as silly and fun as name calling can be, it is overall not that productive. Trump has shown that it doesn't hurt politically though (unless one thinks that those inclined to vote liberal or progressive tend to also be better people in that regard). I find the best ones are those that have valid parallels. The only nicknames I regularly use in that regard are for the more earnest Trump supporters. Those are 'Royalists' or 'Redcoats'.

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

He'll never be MY president. Ever.

Let me guess: Not an American citizen?

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I thought he was 'Thirsty' right?

At any rate, as silly and fun as name calling can be, it is overall not that productive. Trump has shown that it doesn't hurt politically though (unless one thinks that those inclined to vote liberal or progressive tend to also be better people in that regard). I find the best ones are those that have valid parallels. The only nicknames I regularly use in that regard are for the more earnest Trump supporters. Those are 'Royalists' or 'Redcoats'.

More like "Loyalists" as they remain loyal to Trump no matter what he does or how he screws them over.

Hans · 17th July 2018, 06:55 PM

I'd say, 'Red' Trump

Stacyhs · 17th July 2018, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Let me guess: Not an American citizen?

Born and raised. But Trump will never be MY president, only THE president. I do not accept this lying POS who only got into office due to an outdated and unfair electoral system. You can kiss his *** all you want. I won't.

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Hmmm. I would normally think it was childish as I thought Trump was childish when he did it.

It's clear that the childish nicknames rings a bell with a particular type of voter. So I say, why not fight fire with fire? Why not with just a simple moniker portray Trump as the dishonest Un-American traitor he proved to be?

If you have a better suggestion, then please share.

I think you trying beat Trump at his own game is probably the most hilariously awesome plan you could have come up with.

Far be it from me to suggest anything other than you doing your best to out-Trump Donald Mother-*********** Trump.

Though I wouldn't mind if you explained a little more about your theory of insults having weight with voters.

blutoski · 17th July 2018, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump called a lot of his political opponents by a simple demeaning nickname. Little Marco Rubio, Lying Ted Cruz, Low Energy Jeb, Crispy Creme Christie etc. But I think it's time for everyone to call him a nickname.

I 've been trying to think of a good nickname for him. So many come to mind. Pussy Grabber, Deceitful Don, Drumpf Trump, Lying Turd or alternatively Lying POS.

But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump.

Any ideas? I'll put them up for a vote later.

I think there's a thread from November 2016 about exactly this, but I can't find it in the forum search.

My suggestions were:

Herr Gropenfuhrer
Cheeto Benito

Regnad Kcin · 17th July 2018, 07:06 PM

There are so many fine, fine candidates (unlike the 2016 Republican field).

My current fave is simple, far from vulgar, yet 100% apropos: Trump Baby.

Comes with its own artwork, too.

dmaker · 17th July 2018, 07:13 PM

Herr Gropenfuhrer is pretty dang funny.

Distracted1 · 17th July 2018, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I thought he was 'Thirsty' right?

At any rate, as silly and fun as name calling can be, it is overall not that productive. Trump has shown that it doesn't hurt politically though (unless one thinks that those inclined to vote liberal or progressive tend to also be better people in that regard). I find the best ones are those that have valid parallels. The only nicknames I regularly use in that regard are for the more earnest Trump supporters. Those are 'Royalists' or 'Redcoats'.

I think you might be missing a certain point WRT name calling as a tactic.
Think of the memes you might be seeing appear frequently on social media, and the Trumpsters that are forwarding them.
Are they (like the ones that I get) almost universally devoid of reasonable thought? The ones I get are.
People who would be swayed by argument are not sending them out, nor are people who would be impressed by logical comparisons between supporting Trump and supporting tyranny during the American Revolution. In fact, making a historical reference only puts one in the "elite" category, and deepens the resolve of the average Trumpster.
Names that are too cerebral, or express too much agitation (proving that their hero is "making liberals heads explode") actually work to keep the Trumpsters firmly behind their demagogue.

The best way to weaken the support of the Trumpsters is to find a way to genuinely laugh at them. They are not deep thinkers, they feel like liberals have been making their stupidity cause them to be marginalized and they enjoy that Trump makes all us "elites" feel the frustration that they feel.
Find a way to make them feel that Trump is actually making us laugh, and his support (such as it is ) disappears. They cannot tolerate embarrassment.

theprestige · 17th July 2018, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

There are so many fine, fine candidates (unlike the 2016 Republican field).

My current fave is simple, far from vulgar, yet 100% apropos: Trump Baby.

Comes with its own artwork, too.

The p to the b is suboptimal, though.

shemp · 17th July 2018, 07:18 PM

Let's just call him what he is: "Lying Piece of **** Traitor".

17th July 2018, 05:29 PM	#1
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,318	Trump's nickname. Trump called a lot of his political opponents by a simple demeaning nickname. Little Marco Rubio, Lying Ted Cruz, Low Energy Jeb, Crispy Creme Christie etc. But I think it's time for everyone to call him a nickname. I 've been trying to think of a good nickname for him. So many come to mind. Pussy Grabber, Deceitful Don, Drumpf Trump, Lying Turd or alternatively Lying POS. But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump. Any ideas? I'll put them up for a vote later.
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17th July 2018, 05:34 PM	#2
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,384	Originally Posted by acbytesla But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump. I've used Traitor Trump before. My other favorite is Don the Con
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17th July 2018, 05:36 PM	#3
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,066	Loser. So much losing.
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17th July 2018, 05:41 PM	#5
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,318	Originally Posted by Upchurch I've used Traitor Trump before. My other favorite is Don the Con I like Don the Con.
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17th July 2018, 05:42 PM	#6
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	I think Jefferson, the traitor elf, Sessions should really own "traitor". It's just such a lovely expression. (I have no idea who first used it.) I'm not real big on "traitor" or "treason"; they're such old school jingoistic-sounding epithets. Treacherous works for me. "Treacherous Trump" has a nice ring to it. I don't know why we can't go back to "Donnie the Idiot", though. Is alliteration all that important. It's also good to stick with disparaging terms that his own players have thought up. That's why "voodoo economics" stuck for so long. Donald, He's a ******* Moron, Trump.
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17th July 2018, 05:37 PM	#4
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17th July 2018, 05:44 PM	#7
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	I wish I could claim these as my own but I saw them in another thread. Nevertheless: Agent Orange Benedict Donald

17th July 2018, 05:46 PM	#8
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,686	Oh man. If only you guys had figured out this whole nickname thing before the election! Everything would have turned out differently. Better late than never, though. I'm sure this will finally be The One Thing that takes Trump down.

17th July 2018, 05:48 PM	#10
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,597	I like "The Hair". He's really sensitive about it so it's good.

17th July 2018, 05:49 PM	#11
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,686	I vote for Agent Orange

17th July 2018, 06:04 PM	#12
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Probably "Mr. President." Fantastic thread
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17th July 2018, 06:08 PM	#13
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,066	T. Ronald Dump
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17th July 2018, 06:09 PM	#14
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Probably "Mr. President." Fantastic thread You're gonna take issue with childish nicknames? cool story brotato chip.

17th July 2018, 06:12 PM	#15
Shalamar Dark Lord of the JREF Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 4,971	Originally Posted by NoahFence You're gonna take issue with childish nicknames? cool story brotato chip. It's only bad if a liberal does it.
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17th July 2018, 06:12 PM	#16
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,778	Putin's Poodle seems to already have some traction. Go with that.

17th July 2018, 06:15 PM	#17
sir drinks-a-lot Illuminator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 4,513	Triggering Trump
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17th July 2018, 06:18 PM	#18
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by Shalamar It's only bad if a ~~liberal~~ libtard does it. FIFY.

17th July 2018, 06:19 PM	#19
Scootch Muse Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 521	Just call him Trump but change the definition of Trump mean a horrible mess up,ie-"Gosh Bob you really Trumped it up now."
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17th July 2018, 06:20 PM	#20
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,686	Originally Posted by Shalamar It's only bad if a liberal does it. It's bad when anyone does it. Not very bad, but at least a little bad. When progressives do it because Trump does it, it's slightly more bad than when Trump does it. But still not very bad. It's also comical. Not very, but at least a little. You can appreciate that, can't you?

17th July 2018, 06:27 PM	#21
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,066	*********** A-hole.
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17th July 2018, 06:32 PM	#22
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	The President of the United States?
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17th July 2018, 06:32 PM	#23
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,535	I use "The Trumpster". Has appeal to me because it feels like the type of nickname that comes out of the juvenile eighties and has a "frat boy" vibe ,like "the Mooch". Further, it rhymes nicely with "dumpster" (something that fills with garbage, frequently stinks, and needs to be hauled off). The Russia summit might rightly then be described as a "Trumpster Fire". Edit to add, I have never been particularly fond of name-calling. Always looked at it as bad behavior that no one I could respect would engage in. Then 2016.
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17th July 2018, 06:33 PM	#24
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by The Big Dog The President of the United States? He'll never be MY president. Ever.

17th July 2018, 06:35 PM	#25
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,686	Originally Posted by Distracted1 I use "The Trumpster". Has appeal to me because it feels like the type of nickname that comes out of the juvenile eighties and has a "frat boy" vibe ,like "the Mooch". Further, it rhymes nicely with "dumpster" (something that fills with garbage, frequently stinks, and needs to be hauled off). The Russia summit might rightly then be described as a "Trumpster Fire". I like how it works on more than one level. That's pretty clever.

17th July 2018, 06:35 PM	#26
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,318	Originally Posted by theprestige It's bad when anyone does it. Not very bad, but at least a little bad. When progressives do it because Trump does it, it's slightly more bad than when Trump does it. But still not very bad. It's also comical. Not very, but at least a little. You can appreciate that, can't you? Hmmm. I would normally think it was childish as I thought Trump was childish when he did it. It's clear that the childish nicknames rings a bell with a particular type of voter. So I say, why not fight fire with fire? Why not with just a simple moniker portray Trump as the dishonest Un-American traitor he proved to be? If you have a better suggestion, then please share.
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17th July 2018, 06:43 PM	#27
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,919	Howie Felterbush* *with apologies to poster Howie Felterbush. Whatever happened to Howie?
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17th July 2018, 06:45 PM	#28
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,988	Lord Drumpf

17th July 2018, 06:50 PM	#29
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,433	I thought he was 'Thirsty' right? At any rate, as silly and fun as name calling can be, it is overall not that productive. Trump has shown that it doesn't hurt politically though (unless one thinks that those inclined to vote liberal or progressive tend to also be better people in that regard). I find the best ones are those that have valid parallels. The only nicknames I regularly use in that regard are for the more earnest Trump supporters. Those are 'Royalists' or 'Redcoats'.
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17th July 2018, 06:52 PM	#30
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,686	Originally Posted by Stacyhs He'll never be MY president. Ever. Let me guess: Not an American citizen?

17th July 2018, 06:52 PM	#31
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by tyr_13 I thought he was 'Thirsty' right? At any rate, as silly and fun as name calling can be, it is overall not that productive. Trump has shown that it doesn't hurt politically though (unless one thinks that those inclined to vote liberal or progressive tend to also be better people in that regard). I find the best ones are those that have valid parallels. The only nicknames I regularly use in that regard are for the more earnest Trump supporters. Those are 'Royalists' or 'Redcoats'. More like "Loyalists" as they remain loyal to Trump no matter what he does or how he screws them over.

17th July 2018, 06:55 PM	#32
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,461	I'd say, 'Red' Trump
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17th July 2018, 06:59 PM	#33
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by theprestige Let me guess: Not an American citizen? Born and raised. But Trump will never be MY president, only THE president. I do not accept this lying POS who only got into office due to an outdated and unfair electoral system. You can kiss his *** all you want. I won't.

17th July 2018, 06:59 PM	#34
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,686	Originally Posted by acbytesla Hmmm. I would normally think it was childish as I thought Trump was childish when he did it. It's clear that the childish nicknames rings a bell with a particular type of voter. So I say, why not fight fire with fire? Why not with just a simple moniker portray Trump as the dishonest Un-American traitor he proved to be? If you have a better suggestion, then please share. I think you trying beat Trump at his own game is probably the most hilariously awesome plan you could have come up with. Far be it from me to suggest anything other than you doing your best to out-Trump Donald Mother-*********** Trump. Though I wouldn't mind if you explained a little more about your theory of insults having weight with voters.

17th July 2018, 07:01 PM	#35
blutoski Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,369	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump called a lot of his political opponents by a simple demeaning nickname. Little Marco Rubio, Lying Ted Cruz, Low Energy Jeb, Crispy Creme Christie etc. But I think it's time for everyone to call him a nickname. I 've been trying to think of a good nickname for him. So many come to mind. Pussy Grabber, Deceitful Don, Drumpf Trump, Lying Turd or alternatively Lying POS. But I think after his submissive obsequious performance with Putin, I've been thinking Treasonous Trump or Traitor Trump. Any ideas? I'll put them up for a vote later. I think there's a thread from November 2016 about exactly this, but I can't find it in the forum search. My suggestions were: Herr Gropenfuhrer Cheeto Benito
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17th July 2018, 07:06 PM	#36
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,240	There are so many fine, fine candidates (unlike the 2016 Republican field). My current fave is simple, far from vulgar, yet 100% apropos: Trump Baby. Comes with its own artwork, too.
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