Biden for President? - Page 7

Cabbage · 8th March 2020, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Would you like to present evidence that Reagan was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's during his second run for office in 1984? He wasn't diagnosed with the disease until 1993, nine years later.

This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway:

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But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret:

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Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.

Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president.

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I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction.

I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year.

Beelzebuddy · 8th March 2020, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't think you really do believe that. You can't explain away their endorsements without admitting they don't think Biden has dementia so you go for the absurd.

I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns.

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No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.

I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.

Delphic Oracle · 8th March 2020, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns.

I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.

There is literally an entire thread on this forum where the topic is Trump's cognitive state. It is full of links to others' thoughts on that issue.

But "nobody" has ever said such things.

Stacyhs · 8th March 2020, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cabbage

This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway:

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But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret

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Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.
Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president.

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I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction.

I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year.

It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that

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... after that Oval Office encounter with Reagan, she discussed with her producers whether to report on Reagan’s mental condition. “I would have to have skirted around the words ‘senility,’ ‘Alzheimer’s,’ ‘dementia,'” she notes. “I would have been declaring the president unfit to serve, or at least raising the possibility.” That undoubtedly would have set off a political detonation. And such a report would have suggested a White House cover-up—at a time when tense foreign policy matters were in the news and midterm elections were a few months off.

As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.

Stacyhs · 8th March 2020, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

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No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.

I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.

As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump.

Beelzebuddy · 8th March 2020, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump.

Well, that's a silly take. When was the last time any politician accused another in their same party of dementia? Even if they were certain enough to try to kick them into retirement, they wouldn't just say so outright. That wouldn't be politick.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.

It is very clear that the billionaire establishment do not want Sanders in the Whitehouse. They may well have preferred Bloomberg over a flaky Biden but the wave of votes he rode on during Super Tuesday forced their hands. They have nobody else with a chance of stopping Sanders and his plans to tip the system back in favour of American workers and not billionaires who want a status quo where they pay low taxes and wages, if they don’t just move the jobs offshore to China.

And if Trump does wreck Biden and win another term, they still win.

Stacyhs · 8th March 2020, 06:40 PM

We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion.

angrysoba · 8th March 2020, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion.

I agree. There is no point in trying to diagnose people with dementia or other mental ailments.

That said, the videos are what people will watch. We should be able to see that his performances are looking shaky at best.

I hope the Democrats can try to rectify his terrible speech and debate performances now, before the debates with Trump.

Cabbage · 8th March 2020, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that

As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.

With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns.

Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 06:57 PM

Or the people choose someone pushing the interests of workers instead of a grandfathered billionaires’ pick.

Trebuchet · 8th March 2020, 07:02 PM

The last several pages of this thread are why Trump will win. We are all screwed.

angrysoba · 8th March 2020, 07:19 PM

Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 07:19 PM

If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!

Fair summary.

Trebuchet · 8th March 2020, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff.

I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it.

Delphic Oracle · 8th March 2020, 07:28 PM

Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely.

Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational.

But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it.

I am an idealist emotionally invested in the Enlightenment founding principles of America. That is when I am not embracing irony and absurdism, which is pretty often.

TragicMonkey · 8th March 2020, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely.

Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational.

But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people.

Rose petals?! So, you're in the pockets of Big Flower, eh? I should have realized. Does the scent of roses cover the stench of your evilness? For shame!

Stacyhs · 8th March 2020, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cabbage

With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns.

Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden.

Let me be clear: I'm an not accusing anyone in this thread of being a Russian troll. However the fact that a memo, falsely purporting to be from the Sanders Campaign, promoting the Biden 'dementia' accusation was disseminated immediately after Super Tuesday does raise the question of its origin. If not from the Sanders Campaign, then where? I don't think it's either illogical or improbable that it could be part of the verified Russia misinformation campaign. To deny that it's entirely possible is putting one's head in the sand.

If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.

Trump and his team are already attacking Biden's mental health.

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At a “town hall” on Fox on Thursday, Trump cited verbal stumbles by Biden and asserted, “There’s something going on there.” Friday morning on Twitter, he said Biden would destroy Medicare and Social Security “and not even know he’s doing it.”

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Rudy Giuliani attacked former Vice President Joe Biden for showing “obvious signs of dementia” as he moves closer to locking up the Democratic presidential nomination.

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Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

In all fairness Biden has no idea what he’s saying or where he is most of the time. When will someone close to him finally say enough is enough? It’s not right anymore.

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PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: You ever notice with Biden, he is always calling the wrong state? In your great state of Iowa? Iowa. It's Iowa, right? No, it's Wisconsin. I meant Wisconsin. Oh, I didn't know I was in Wisconsin. That's funny. How many times has he done that? By the way, lots of times. Great to be in the state of Ohio. No sir, you're in, you're in Florida.

Beelzebuddy · 8th March 2020, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.

Some here would have us believe that you can refer to people directly instead of roundabout imputation, so that if they would not have you believe that and what you believe they would have you believe is just an unusually passive-aggressive strawman they can correct you to your face.

But as it happens, yes, I would have you believe that the establishment is exactly that scared of Sanders. I really don't know why, but everything he's done has been cast in the most negative light possible, and everything Biden's done has been rainbows and unicorns.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 08:09 PM

Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields.

Delvo · 8th March 2020, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.

You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it.

Garden variety argument from personal incredulity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argu...om_incredulity

angrysoba · 8th March 2020, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields.

I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time.

The indignation and scolding has been pretty funny.

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 08:40 PM

When does the memo say to go into the failed 1988 campaign?

Baylor · 8th March 2020, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!

Hmmmm.....interesting. Problem with Biden voters? I'm shocked.

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Imagine black people ever opting for the status quo.

Also, why don’t they just say “black people”? That’s who rejected Sanders. According to exit polls, Biden bested Sanders among black voters in every state on Super Tuesday, winning 58 percent of black voters, according to the Washington Post.

Undeterred by actual data, Sanders surrogates’ new tactic seems to be an attempt to paint blacks as low-information voters who somehow don’t know Biden’s record. Apparently, the people who vote for Sanders are genius-level political strategists but the ones who cast a ballot against him just aren’t smart enough to wade through the publicly available information.

https://www.theroot.com/an-open-lett...tio-1842100419

BobTheCoward · 8th March 2020, 09:52 PM

Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?

Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship?

BobTheCoward · 8th March 2020, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship?

If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too.

What legal questions does not president need to answer?

Sideroxylon · 8th March 2020, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too.

What legal questions does not president need to answer?

If he wasn’t flat out lying it would be even better.

That Time Joe Biden Lied About His Academic Credentials

The presidential candidate bragged about graduating in the top half of his class at law school. He was 76th in a class of 85.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/

Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery.

angrysoba · 8th March 2020, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?

Please list the qualifications you think are necessary and we’ll see how they measure up with the incumbent.

Bob001 · 9th March 2020, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby

“We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

-- Joe Biden yesterday

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-rally-video/

It turns out this video was doctored by the White House:

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Twitter applied its new “manipulated media” label for the first time on Sunday to a deceptively edited video of former vice president Joe Biden. The video was shared by White House social media director Dan Scavino and retweeted by President Trump.
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In this case, the altered video of Biden -- who has surged to the front of the Democratic race to oust Trump in November -- is based on a speech he gave in Kansas City, Mo., on Saturday. It was then shared on Twitter by Scavino, only edited to make it appear as if Biden inadvertently endorsed Trump for reelection.

The version of the video shared by Scavino showed Biden stumbling on a line during a speech, then saying, “Excuse me. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

But the edited video deleted the second part of the former vice president’s sentence. The whole thing said: “Excuse me. We can only reelect Donald Trump if in fact we get engaged in this circular firing squad here. It’s gotta be a positive campaign.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...pulated-media/

That's what Trump will be feeding the American voters for the next eight months.

Shadowdweller · 9th March 2020, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/

Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery.

That's some serious presidential material right there.

BobTheCoward · 9th March 2020, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Please list the qualifications you think are necessary and we’ll see how they measure up with the incumbent.

Executive leadership experience.

SuburbanTurkey · 9th March 2020, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!

It's pretty funny how thin-skinned the Biden defenders are considering the volume of criticism that has been leveled at Bernie and his supporters. Even suggesting that Biden in sundowning on live TV and they screech about being a stooge for Trump or a bot from Russia.

The emperor has no clothes. 2020 Biden is not the same man from 2008 that ran circles around Palin in a VP debate or the man from 2012 that held his own against Paul Ryan.

If Biden is the candidate, then I hope this doesn't matter. It might not. President Trump doesn't have the same advantages as candidate Trump had in 2016. Trump can't demonize the swamp as effectively because he is the swamp now. Biden's not Trump, and that itself may be enough for him, or for any hypothetical Democratic candidate.

Biden also doesn't have the decades of right-wing propaganda baggage that Hillary had in 2016. Fair or not, she was hated by huge swaths of the population.

Of course, the Burisma political prosecution is going to spring back to life. It doesn't matter that it's totally illegitimate. Biden's defense that his son's do-nothing job wasn't illegal corruption, but rather ordinary lawful nepotism, isn't going to endear him to the public.

I hope that's enough, because I don't see Biden getting anyone enthusiastic.

Biden is the establishment's choice. They own this.

Delvo · 9th March 2020, 06:52 AM

The same establishment that also pushed Hillary on us last time. Their goal must be to dig up the most unelectable people they can find... and then tell us they're the most electable.

The Great Zaganza · 9th March 2020, 07:03 AM

Americans no longer elect their President.
Instead, they make sure that the other one doesn't get to be President.

d4m10n · 9th March 2020, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Biden is the establishment's choice. They own this.

Not sure what exactly they own, but take heart, neither establishment cannot stop Bernie. He told us so himself.

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Cabbage Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,598	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Would you like to present evidence that Reagan was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's during his second run for office in 1984? He wasn't diagnosed with the disease until 1993, nine years later. This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway: Quote: But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret: Quote: Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid? …Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis. Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president. Quote: I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction. I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year.
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8th March 2020, 05:01 PM	#242
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,067	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't think you really do believe that. You can't explain away their endorsements without admitting they don't think Biden has dementia so you go for the absurd. I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns. Quote: No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis. I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.
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8th March 2020, 05:51 PM	#246
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,067	Originally Posted by Stacyhs As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump. Well, that's a silly take. When was the last time any politician accused another in their same party of dementia? Even if they were certain enough to try to kick them into retirement, they wouldn't just say so outright. That wouldn't be politick.
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8th March 2020, 06:10 PM	#247
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by Stacyhs As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing. It is very clear that the billionaire establishment do not want Sanders in the Whitehouse. They may well have preferred Bloomberg over a flaky Biden but the wave of votes he rode on during Super Tuesday forced their hands. They have nobody else with a chance of stopping Sanders and his plans to tip the system back in favour of American workers and not billionaires who want a status quo where they pay low taxes and wages, if they don’t just move the jobs offshore to China. And if Trump does wreck Biden and win another term, they still win.
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8th March 2020, 06:45 PM	#249
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,365	Originally Posted by Stacyhs We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion. I agree. There is no point in trying to diagnose people with dementia or other mental ailments. That said, the videos are what people will watch. We should be able to see that his performances are looking shaky at best. I hope the Democrats can try to rectify his terrible speech and debate performances now, before the debates with Trump.
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8th March 2020, 05:28 PM	#243
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,354	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns. I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys. There is literally an entire thread on this forum where the topic is Trump's cognitive state. It is full of links to others' thoughts on that issue. But "nobody" has ever said such things.

8th March 2020, 05:39 PM	#244
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,005	Originally Posted by Cabbage This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway: Quote: Quote: But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret : Quote: Quote: Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid? …Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis. Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president. Quote: Quote: I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction. I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year. It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that Quote: ... after that Oval Office encounter with Reagan, she discussed with her producers whether to report on Reagan’s mental condition. “I would have to have skirted around the words ‘senility,’ ‘Alzheimer’s,’ ‘dementia,'” she notes. “I would have been declaring the president unfit to serve, or at least raising the possibility.” That undoubtedly would have set off a political detonation. And such a report would have suggested a White House cover-up—at a time when tense foreign policy matters were in the news and midterm elections were a few months off. As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.

8th March 2020, 05:44 PM	#245
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,005	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy Quote: Quote: No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis. I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys. As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump.

8th March 2020, 06:40 PM	#248
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,005	We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion.

8th March 2020, 06:54 PM	#250
Cabbage Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,598	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing. With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns. Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden.
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8th March 2020, 06:57 PM	#251
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Or the people choose someone pushing the interests of workers instead of a grandfathered billionaires’ pick.

8th March 2020, 07:02 PM	#252
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,030	The last several pages of this thread are why Trump will win. We are all screwed.
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8th March 2020, 07:19 PM	#253
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,365	Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and... Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe! How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!
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8th March 2020, 07:19 PM	#254
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff.

8th March 2020, 07:20 PM	#255
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by angrysoba Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and... Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe! How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already! Fair summary.

8th March 2020, 07:24 PM	#256
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,030	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff. I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it.
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8th March 2020, 07:28 PM	#257
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,354	Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely. Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational. But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people.

8th March 2020, 07:30 PM	#258
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it. I am an idealist emotionally invested in the Enlightenment founding principles of America. That is when I am not embracing irony and absurdism, which is pretty often.

8th March 2020, 07:44 PM	#259
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,483	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely. Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational. But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people. Rose petals?! So, you're in the pockets of Big Flower, eh? I should have realized. Does the scent of roses cover the stench of your evilness? For shame!
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8th March 2020, 07:58 PM	#260
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,005	Originally Posted by Cabbage With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns. Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden. Let me be clear: I'm an not accusing anyone in this thread of being a Russian troll. However the fact that a memo, falsely purporting to be from the Sanders Campaign, promoting the Biden 'dementia' accusation was disseminated immediately after Super Tuesday does raise the question of its origin. If not from the Sanders Campaign, then where? I don't think it's either illogical or improbable that it could be part of the verified Russia misinformation campaign. To deny that it's entirely possible is putting one's head in the sand. If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous. Trump and his team are already attacking Biden's mental health. Quote: At a “town hall” on Fox on Thursday, Trump cited verbal stumbles by Biden and asserted, “There’s something going on there.” Friday morning on Twitter, he said Biden would destroy Medicare and Social Security “and not even know he’s doing it.” Quote: Rudy Giuliani attacked former Vice President Joe Biden for showing “obvious signs of dementia” as he moves closer to locking up the Democratic presidential nomination. Quote: Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr In all fairness Biden has no idea what he’s saying or where he is most of the time. When will someone close to him finally say enough is enough? It’s not right anymore. Quote: PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: You ever notice with Biden, he is always calling the wrong state? In your great state of Iowa? Iowa. It's Iowa, right? No, it's Wisconsin. I meant Wisconsin. Oh, I didn't know I was in Wisconsin. That's funny. How many times has he done that? By the way, lots of times. Great to be in the state of Ohio. No sir, you're in, you're in Florida.

8th March 2020, 08:07 PM	#261
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,067	Originally Posted by Stacyhs By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous. Some here would have us believe that you can refer to people directly instead of roundabout imputation, so that if they would not have you believe that and what you believe they would have you believe is just an unusually passive-aggressive strawman they can correct you to your face. But as it happens, yes, I would have you believe that the establishment is exactly that scared of Sanders. I really don't know why, but everything he's done has been cast in the most negative light possible, and everything Biden's done has been rainbows and unicorns.
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8th March 2020, 08:09 PM	#262
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields.

8th March 2020, 08:21 PM	#263
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,293	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous. You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it.

8th March 2020, 08:32 PM	#264
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by Delvo You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it. Garden variety argument from personal incredulity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argu...om_incredulity

8th March 2020, 08:34 PM	#265
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,365	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields. I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time.
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8th March 2020, 08:37 PM	#266
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by angrysoba I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time. The indignation and scolding has been pretty funny.

8th March 2020, 08:40 PM	#267
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	When does the memo say to go into the failed 1988 campaign?

8th March 2020, 09:47 PM	#268
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,394	Originally Posted by angrysoba Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and... Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe! How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already! Hmmmm.....interesting. Problem with Biden voters? I'm shocked. Quote: Imagine black people ever opting for the status quo. Also, why don’t they just say “black people”? That’s who rejected Sanders. According to exit polls, Biden bested Sanders among black voters in every state on Super Tuesday, winning 58 percent of black voters, according to the Washington Post. Undeterred by actual data, Sanders surrogates’ new tactic seems to be an attempt to paint blacks as low-information voters who somehow don’t know Biden’s record. Apparently, the people who vote for Sanders are genius-level political strategists but the ones who cast a ballot against him just aren’t smart enough to wade through the publicly available information. https://www.theroot.com/an-open-lett...tio-1842100419
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8th March 2020, 09:52 PM	#269
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 20,234	Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?

8th March 2020, 10:06 PM	#270
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Does Biden have any qualifications to be president? Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship?

8th March 2020, 10:12 PM	#271
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 20,234	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship? If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too. What legal questions does not president need to answer?

8th March 2020, 10:16 PM	#272
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 24,306	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too. What legal questions does not president need to answer? If he wasn’t flat out lying it would be even better. That Time Joe Biden Lied About His Academic Credentials The presidential candidate bragged about graduating in the top half of his class at law school. He was 76th in a class of 85. https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/ Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery.

8th March 2020, 10:59 PM	#273
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,365	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Does Biden have any qualifications to be president? Please list the qualifications you think are necessary and we’ll see how they measure up with the incumbent.
	__________________ "The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893)

9th March 2020, 12:33 AM	#274
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,627	Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby “We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.” -- Joe Biden yesterday https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-rally-video/ It turns out this video was doctored by the White House: Quote: Twitter applied its new “manipulated media” label for the first time on Sunday to a deceptively edited video of former vice president Joe Biden. The video was shared by White House social media director Dan Scavino and retweeted by President Trump. ..... In this case, the altered video of Biden -- who has surged to the front of the Democratic race to oust Trump in November -- is based on a speech he gave in Kansas City, Mo., on Saturday. It was then shared on Twitter by Scavino, only edited to make it appear as if Biden inadvertently endorsed Trump for reelection. The version of the video shared by Scavino showed Biden stumbling on a line during a speech, then saying, “Excuse me. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.” But the edited video deleted the second part of the former vice president’s sentence. The whole thing said: “Excuse me. We can only reelect Donald Trump if in fact we get engaged in this circular firing squad here. It’s gotta be a positive campaign.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...pulated-media/ That's what Trump will be feeding the American voters for the next eight months.

9th March 2020, 12:53 AM	#275
Shadowdweller Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,014	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/ Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery. That's some serious presidential material right there.