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Please B.S., stop trying to prove that you are dumber than a broken brick. Your imbecilic, half-witted statements have certainly convinced me.
You call me a skeptic and claim that I only looked at the “cover”; well that is just another lie from a proven ****off. I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content… |
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Not to take away from the stupidity of No Planers, but the VicSim report, I my opinion, takes the cake. Not only on stupidity, but on the repulsive value too.
It would be better to just watch Unsecured Coins' video on the VicSim report here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypRnzVcGus Warning, NSFW language. |
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There's a guy in an ongoing thread who says he is an engineer and claims that a YouTube video shows mathematically that the WTC towers should have taken a minimum of 42 seconds to collapse.
Here's the thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...184#msg1219184 And here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_j1jAv1j3U He's quite persistent. I'm sure the engineers here could have much fun with him. |
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I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too. |
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So, you will use a web site as a resource to prove that Bush is guilty of rape, but you won’t read the material on the site?
Hmmmm, yes, I think I do see a problem here… Thanks for proving that what I said about you is a fact! Stay tuned folks, I'm sure he will prove me right again. |
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AAAAH! Why did you subject me to that?
Poking around the 'VicSim' sewage produced this gem vicsim or mock vicsim He argues that a police officer he knows to be real and killed at Ground Zero is in fact alive and living under a new identity somewhere along with his colleagues! |
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If it's not his, it's certainly one of mine. Hoffman's suggestion is that a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon, but a missile was used to blow the tail off just before impact so that conspiracy theorists would note the absence of impact damage from the tail and thus deduce that something other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, and this would be used to discredit conspiracy theorists, because it was perfectly obvious all along that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon so nobody could possibly believe anything else. As a piece of convoluted illogic, it's so perfectly formed that it's almost impossible even to articulate it correctly and clearly. It's diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated 24-carat stupidity.
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I think that they had planned to blow away all the conspiracy theories en bloc by suddenly comng out at the strategic moment with incontrovertible video of the 757 hitting the Pentagon.
But then they had two connected forced errors that made it pointless to bring out the Pentagon video. And as we all know by now there are well devveloped theories for all the 9/11 events. To show the plane now would have zero effect on any other theory and probably be completely counterproductive for the perps. Especially now that more and more people are seeing the Pentagon for the set up that it is. And now we can have a better look at how we were conditioned and set up. |
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Why do you need a video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon when they picked up parts of the plane inside & out of the building? Unless you think they "planted" the parts, then you're not thinking outside the paranoid box.
Are you still not getting the big picture Billy? We all know that you just come to JREF to get your jollies off. What's the big deal Bill? We all know you're paranoid just like the rest of the looney tunes at 9/11 Truth. |
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I think it's interesting that whenever there is a thread about stupid things that truthers say, several truthers always jump in and add more stupid things to the pile.
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Arrgghhh!!!!
******** truthers!!! I absolutely hate them!! I'm having a debate and the guy tells me he can defeat my argument simply using NIST's own conclusions. So it's a mostly civil debate of quotes from NIST papers, mostly having to do with the UL tests and the SFRM "shot gun" tests, and I just get him to the point where I point out how he's misinterpreting the results, about how it's not one buck shot going through the buildings but millions of pieces in the debris path of the airplanes that is striking the fireproofed trusses and he comes back with this: "Well, I would suggest you watch the impact videos of WTC 2 then... You state it was a million pieces yet we saw the planes winds (sic) go through the outer column like a hot knife through butter, and we saw the NOSE come out the other side, INTACT... Where is that million pieces, I mean you can watch it and see that it is CGI edited, no wonder it gives people like me who try to wake others up, then it gives people like you who, basically take orders, like a slave..." (bolding mine) What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that [I've] ever encountered? No Planers! Without a doubt! Definitely No planers! |
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Truthers are like Apollo Hoax Proponents. they see the whole thing as lots of isoleted items and facts. They latch on to one thing that only works if you disregard lots of other things.
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Obviously on the lower level of conspracy theories, even for delusional truthers, because I had never heard that one before.
And Bill, you support this conclusion!? (I'd like to leave a laughing dog, but I don't feel I have earned that right since I haven't posted here very much yet!) |
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Step up to the plate - mano a mano
Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "
Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ? An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden |
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The Fonebone Theory of WTC2
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Anyone remember what used to be at http://www.stlouisrams.net ?
A guy claiming that one of the keys to understanding 9/11 was the propaganda psyop that occurred in Super Bowl XXXVI, which was clearly fixed in favor of the [gasp] Patriots [and he had the grainy, frame-by-frame gifs slowed down to Ľ their original rate and clearly showed calls blown by the refs in real time to prove it]. |
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I like Fonebone's posts. Always double-spaced, refers to his nickname in the 3rd person, generally ends them with a relevant quote, occasionally amusing use of inequality signs < >, and he has an actually affirmative hypothesis about what actually happened on 9/11. Bic?
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One chestnut of Truther stupidity that ranks up there with the no planers is the one that argue that the calls made from the planes were fake. Some Truthers do think the real people were on the phones, but some government agents had them at gunpoint reading a script. . Other Truthers suggest the calls were government fabricated robocalls. Someone on this board thinks Betty Ong's call was fake.
And their proof would be..........? Plus Truthers argue it's impossible for cellphone calls to be made at a high altitude- last time I checked, all the planes were at a very low altitude when they crashed.... Have Truthers come up with anything they see as evidence to support their theories that the phone calls were fakes? |
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I think Hoffman is rather highly regarded among the truther community, despite the sheer implausibility of his bizarre paranoid fantasies. I once wrote a critique of his Attack Scenario 404 (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/a...enario404.html), but in retrospect it wasn't really necessary; nobody sane could conceivably take it seriously. In particular, he says that the explosives in the WTC were placed by a team of three technicians over about four weeks; if you divide this by the amount of explosives he claims were used (which you need to search for elsewhere on the site), they had to be averaging about one 40lb charge each every ten seconds. For four weeks.
And that's one of the things I find most entertaining about the truth movement. The idiocy doesn't stem from the rank and file; it's the intellectual leaders of the movement that are the most originally stupid. Dave |
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And it gets worse. Another theory says the calls were part of an exercise: people called their relatives, acted a role, scared them, just because it was a part of some scheduled exercise.
Idiots. Still, I suppose you can't blame them: they just have to find ways to make those inconvenient calls go away. |
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Have been over this with my personal truther buddy. His proof is: She is not panicking.
He thinks she should be crying and screaming and uttering dramatic words, because a) she is a woman b) she is going to die To which I reply: a) flight attendants are trained to remain calm in emergency situations - that's their number one skill, long before pushing juice and closing overhead lockers b) She did not know at the time that the hijackers intended to crash To which he replied: I WILL NOT CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION IF YOU DON'T RESPECT ME AND KEEP TWISTING DA TRUTH!!! |
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