What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that you've ever encountered? - Page 5

bill smith · 20th July 2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

From what i've seen, most Truthers are anti semite bastards

Who mentions Jews the most on the jref ? Debunkers or Truthers ?

ShadowSot · 20th July 2010, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Who mentions Jews the most on the jref ? Debunkers or Truthers ?

Well since there are more "Debunkers" than "Truthers", and many Truthers do mention Jews, which prompt the Debunkers to mention them in response...

So... yeah.

fess · 20th July 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Sure...be skeptical. But there is more than enough evidence there that tells you that the story is true.I never turned down a news source in my life by the way. I am usually able to tell what is what without rejecting an article by looking at the cover as seems to be the way in America.

Please B.S., stop trying to prove that you are dumber than a broken brick. Your imbecilic, half-witted statements have certainly convinced me.
You call me a skeptic and claim that I only looked at the “cover”; well that is just another lie from a proven ****off. I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content…

bill smith · 20th July 2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by fess

Please B.S., stop trying to prove that you are dumber than a broken brick. Your imbecilic, half-witted statements have certainly convinced me.
You call me a skeptic and claim that I only looked at the “cover”; well that is just another lie from a proven ****off. I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content…

Hmmm...I don't think I'll bother. You can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks.

triforcharity · 20th July 2010, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Claiming that no aircraft were involved is the most stupid thing I have seen anywhere!
Not supporting the stupid claim is the second most stupid thing.

Before making a claim like that you would think they would have their ducks in a line.

Not to take away from the stupidity of No Planers, but the VicSim report, I my opinion, takes the cake. Not only on stupidity, but on the repulsive value too.

It would be better to just watch Unsecured Coins' video on the VicSim report here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypRnzVcGus

Warning, NSFW language.

Sword_Of_Truth · 20th July 2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

You probably don't even know that Bush and his pals were served with a murder writ in 2004 by among others 400 9/11 family members .

It's sad that you believe that actually happened.

TSR · 20th July 2010, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by fess

I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content…

Originally Posted by bill smith

You can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks.

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BS: Read these two quotes and see if you can spot the problem...
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babazaroni · 20th July 2010, 08:22 PM

There's a guy in an ongoing thread who says he is an engineer and claims that a YouTube video shows mathematically that the WTC towers should have taken a minimum of 42 seconds to collapse.

Here's the thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...184#msg1219184

And here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_j1jAv1j3U

He's quite persistent. I'm sure the engineers here could have much fun with him.

The Platypus · 20th July 2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

See hyperlink for 100% confirmation.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=135 hyperlink

All you have shown is 100% confirmation that you believe every nutjob with a nutjob story on the internet without question.

Of course from lurking and reading your posts on this forum, I already knew that about you.

triforcharity · 20th July 2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by babazaroni

There's a guy in an ongoing thread who says he is an engineer and claims that a YouTube video shows mathematically that the WTC towers should have taken a minimum of 42 seconds to collapse.

Here's the thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...184#msg1219184

And here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_j1jAv1j3U

He's quite persistent. I'm sure the engineers here could have much fun with him.

Let me guess, "Clunkity-clunk?"

fess · 20th July 2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Hmmm...I don't think I'll bother. You can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks.

So, you will use a web site as a resource to prove that Bush is guilty of rape, but you won’t read the material on the site?
Hmmmm, yes, I think I do see a problem here… Thanks for proving that what I said about you is a fact!
Stay tuned folks, I'm sure he will prove me right again.

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2010, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Not to take away from the stupidity of No Planers, but the VicSim report, I my opinion, takes the cake. Not only on stupidity, but on the repulsive value too.

It would be better to just watch Unsecured Coins' video on the VicSim report here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypRnzVcGus

Warning, NSFW language.

AAAAH! Why did you subject me to that?

Poking around the 'VicSim' sewage produced this gem
vicsim or mock vicsim
He argues that a police officer he knows to be real and killed at Ground Zero is in fact alive and living under a new identity somewhere along with his colleagues!

cantonear1968 · 21st July 2010, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I think Jim thinks that the Pentagon was a set up the same as I do. A honeypot to attract conspiracy theories. I think I read somewhere that he thinks there may have been a real 757 with explosives fitted to blow any of the large parts like the tail to pieces on impact.

Bill, is that your submission for the finest examples of truther stupidity that you've ever encountered?

Dave Rogers · 21st July 2010, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

Bill, is that your submission for the finest examples of truther stupidity that you've ever encountered?

If it's not his, it's certainly one of mine. Hoffman's suggestion is that a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon, but a missile was used to blow the tail off just before impact so that conspiracy theorists would note the absence of impact damage from the tail and thus deduce that something other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, and this would be used to discredit conspiracy theorists, because it was perfectly obvious all along that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon so nobody could possibly believe anything else. As a piece of convoluted illogic, it's so perfectly formed that it's almost impossible even to articulate it correctly and clearly. It's diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated 24-carat stupidity.

Dave

bill smith · 21st July 2010, 05:51 AM

I think that they had planned to blow away all the conspiracy theories en bloc by suddenly comng out at the strategic moment with incontrovertible video of the 757 hitting the Pentagon.

But then they had two connected forced errors that made it pointless to bring out the Pentagon video. And as we all know by now there are well devveloped theories for all the 9/11 events. To show the plane now would have zero effect on any other theory and probably be completely counterproductive for the perps.

Especially now that more and more people are seeing the Pentagon for the set up that it is. And now we can have a better look at how we were conditioned and set up.

9/11 Chewy Defense · 21st July 2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I think that they had planned to blow away all the conspiracy theories en bloc by suddenly comng out at the strategic moment with incontrovertible video of the 757 hitting the Pentagon.

But then they had two connected forced errors that made it pointless to bring out the Pentagon video. And as we all know by now there are well devveloped theories for all the 9/11 events. To show the plane now would have zero effect on any other theory and probably be completely counterproductive for the perps.

Especially now that more and more people are seeing the Pentagon for the set up that it is. And now we can have a better look at how we were conditioned and set up.

Why do you need a video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon when they picked up parts of the plane inside & out of the building? Unless you think they "planted" the parts, then you're not thinking outside the paranoid box.

Are you still not getting the big picture Billy?

We all know that you just come to JREF to get your jollies off. What's the big deal Bill? We all know you're paranoid just like the rest of the looney tunes at 9/11 Truth.

aggle-rithm · 21st July 2010, 10:40 AM

I think it's interesting that whenever there is a thread about stupid things that truthers say, several truthers always jump in and add more stupid things to the pile.

cantonear1968 · 21st July 2010, 12:06 PM

Arrgghhh!!!!

******** truthers!!!

I absolutely hate them!!

I'm having a debate and the guy tells me he can defeat my argument simply using NIST's own conclusions. So it's a mostly civil debate of quotes from NIST papers, mostly having to do with the UL tests and the SFRM "shot gun" tests, and I just get him to the point where I point out how he's misinterpreting the results, about how it's not one buck shot going through the buildings but millions of pieces in the debris path of the airplanes that is striking the fireproofed trusses and he comes back with this:

"Well, I would suggest you watch the impact videos of WTC 2 then... You state it was a million pieces yet we saw the planes winds (sic) go through the outer column like a hot knife through butter, and we saw the NOSE come out the other side, INTACT...

Where is that million pieces, I mean you can watch it and see that it is CGI edited, no wonder it gives people like me who try to wake others up, then it gives people like you who, basically take orders, like a slave..."
(bolding mine)

What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that [I've] ever encountered?

No Planers!
Without a doubt!
Definitely No planers!

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2010, 12:12 PM

Truthers are like Apollo Hoax Proponents. they see the whole thing as lots of isoleted items and facts. They latch on to one thing that only works if you disregard lots of other things.

cantonear1968 · 21st July 2010, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

If it's not his, it's certainly one of mine. Hoffman's suggestion is that a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon, but a missile was used to blow the tail off just before impact so that conspiracy theorists would note the absence of impact damage from the tail and thus deduce that something other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, and this would be used to discredit conspiracy theorists, because it was perfectly obvious all along that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon so nobody could possibly believe anything else. As a piece of convoluted illogic, it's so perfectly formed that it's almost impossible even to articulate it correctly and clearly. It's diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated 24-carat stupidity.

Dave

Obviously on the lower level of conspracy theories, even for delusional truthers, because I had never heard that one before.

And Bill, you support this conclusion!?

(I'd like to leave a laughing dog, but I don't feel I have earned that right since I haven't posted here very much yet!)

KingMerv00 · 21st July 2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

That's a very interesting minimum ten-minute delay between me deleting my post and you quoting the full text of it.

How would that work now with single poster-single reply ? It's odd isn't it ?

I can't imagine any normal poster taking ten minutes over such an inane reply either

Looks like I have another interesting anecdote for the future...

Holograms were probably involved.

Fonebone · 21st July 2010, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

Arrgghhh!!!!

******** truthers!!!

I absolutely hate them!!

No Planers!
Without a doubt!
Definitely No planers!

Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ?

An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden

carlitos · 21st July 2010, 01:09 PM

Am I right?

KingMerv00 · 21st July 2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Fonebone

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Quick googling tells me a cruise missle is around 6 meters long...how long is a jumbo jet?

Tinfoil Hater · 21st July 2010, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Fonebone

Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ?

An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden

any proof of a cruise missle?

carlitos · 21st July 2010, 01:17 PM

KingMerv00, You can see some of the theory here.

aggle-rithm · 21st July 2010, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

Quick googling tells me a cruise missle is around 6 meters long...how long is a jumbo jet?

You have to take relativity and Lorenz transformations into account.

The Charnel Expanse · 21st July 2010, 01:40 PM

Anyone remember what used to be at http://www.stlouisrams.net ?
A guy claiming that one of the keys to understanding 9/11 was the propaganda psyop that occurred in Super Bowl XXXVI, which was clearly fixed in favor of the [gasp] Patriots [and he had the grainy, frame-by-frame gifs slowed down to ¼ their original rate and clearly showed calls blown by the refs in real time to prove it].

dudalb · 21st July 2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

All you have shown is 100% confirmation that you believe every nutjob with a nutjob story on the internet without question.

Of course from lurking and reading your posts on this forum, I already knew that about you.

Either that of bill is just a Troll who gets his jollies out of getting a rise out of us..a very strong possibility.

cantonear1968 · 21st July 2010, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Fonebone

Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ?

Yes, fonebone. I absolutely would. Except I don't want to derail this thread, so please pick another place where you would like to discuss this.

Might I suggest Vienna? Birthplace of modern psychiatry?

BTW, how is Ace Baker after his "suicide" attempt?

dudalb · 21st July 2010, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Fonebone

Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ?

An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden

Fonebone is crazy as hell.

Tinfoil Hater · 21st July 2010, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Fonebone is crazy as hell.

I think our resident no planer Jammy wins that award

carlitos · 21st July 2010, 02:03 PM

I like Fonebone's posts. Always double-spaced, refers to his nickname in the 3rd person, generally ends them with a relevant quote, occasionally amusing use of inequality signs < >, and he has an actually affirmative hypothesis about what actually happened on 9/11. Bic?

Tinfoil Hater · 21st July 2010, 05:03 PM

One chestnut of Truther stupidity that ranks up there with the no planers is the one that argue that the calls made from the planes were fake. Some Truthers do think the real people were on the phones, but some government agents had them at gunpoint reading a script. . Other Truthers suggest the calls were government fabricated robocalls. Someone on this board thinks Betty Ong's call was fake.

And their proof would be..........?

Plus Truthers argue it's impossible for cellphone calls to be made at a high altitude- last time I checked, all the planes were at a very low altitude when they crashed....

Have Truthers come up with anything they see as evidence to support their theories that the phone calls were fakes?

Bell · 21st July 2010, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

Have Truthers come up with anything they see as evidence to support their theories that the phone calls were fakes?

"Mom? This is Mark Bingham!"

Tinfoil Hater · 21st July 2010, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

"Mom? This is Mark Bingham!"

His mother explained that was his usual greeting on the phone, as he was a professional and it was a habit. She took the tone as serious, but didn't find him saying his full name as being a first...

Furcifer · 21st July 2010, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fonebone

Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer "

Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767.

Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ?

An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden

FTW?

Dave Rogers · 22nd July 2010, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

Obviously on the lower level of conspracy theories, even for delusional truthers, because I had never heard that one before.

I think Hoffman is rather highly regarded among the truther community, despite the sheer implausibility of his bizarre paranoid fantasies. I once wrote a critique of his Attack Scenario 404 (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/a...enario404.html), but in retrospect it wasn't really necessary; nobody sane could conceivably take it seriously. In particular, he says that the explosives in the WTC were placed by a team of three technicians over about four weeks; if you divide this by the amount of explosives he claims were used (which you need to search for elsewhere on the site), they had to be averaging about one 40lb charge each every ten seconds. For four weeks.

And that's one of the things I find most entertaining about the truth movement. The idiocy doesn't stem from the rank and file; it's the intellectual leaders of the movement that are the most originally stupid.

Dave

MikeW · 22nd July 2010, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

One chestnut of Truther stupidity that ranks up there with the no planers is the one that argue that the calls made from the planes were fake. Some Truthers do think the real people were on the phones, but some government agents had them at gunpoint reading a script. . Other Truthers suggest the calls were government fabricated robocalls. Someone on this board thinks Betty Ong's call was fake.

And it gets worse. Another theory says the calls were part of an exercise: people called their relatives, acted a role, scared them, just because it was a part of some scheduled exercise.

Idiots. Still, I suppose you can't blame them: they just have to find ways to make those inconvenient calls go away.

Oystein · 22nd July 2010, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

...Someone on this board thinks Betty Ong's call was fake.

And their proof would be..........?
...

Have been over this with my personal truther buddy. His proof is: She is not panicking.
He thinks she should be crying and screaming and uttering dramatic words, because
a) she is a woman
b) she is going to die

To which I reply:
a) flight attendants are trained to remain calm in emergency situations - that's their number one skill, long before pushing juice and closing overhead lockers
b) She did not know at the time that the hijackers intended to crash

To which he replied: I WILL NOT CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION IF YOU DON'T RESPECT ME AND KEEP TWISTING DA TRUTH!!!

20th July 2010, 09:07 AM	#161
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer From what i've seen, most Truthers are anti semite bastards Who mentions Jews the most on the jref ? Debunkers or Truthers ?
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 20th July 2010 at 09:14 AM.

20th July 2010, 11:08 AM	#162
ShadowSot Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pensacola Posts: 1,123	Originally Posted by bill smith Who mentions Jews the most on the jref ? Debunkers or Truthers ? Well since there are more "Debunkers" than "Truthers", and many Truthers do mention Jews, which prompt the Debunkers to mention them in response... So... yeah.
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20th July 2010, 04:42 PM	#163
fess Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,425	Originally Posted by bill smith Sure...be skeptical. But there is more than enough evidence there that tells you that the story is true.I never turned down a news source in my life by the way. I am usually able to tell what is what without rejecting an article by looking at the cover as seems to be the way in America. Please B.S., stop trying to prove that you are dumber than a broken brick. Your imbecilic, half-witted statements have certainly convinced me. You call me a skeptic and claim that I only looked at the “cover”; well that is just another lie from a proven ****off. I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content…
fess Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,425	__________________ My boss told me to stop procrastinating. I think I will… tomorrow.

20th July 2010, 04:54 PM	#164
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by fess Please B.S., stop trying to prove that you are dumber than a broken brick. Your imbecilic, half-witted statements have certainly convinced me. You call me a skeptic and claim that I only looked at the “cover”; well that is just another lie from a proven ***off. I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content… Hmmm...I don't think I'll bother. You* can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 20th July 2010 at 04:58 PM.

20th July 2010, 06:02 PM	#165
triforcharity Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13,961	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Claiming that no aircraft were involved is the most stupid thing I have seen anywhere! Not supporting the stupid claim is the second most stupid thing. Before making a claim like that you would think they would have their ducks in a line. Not to take away from the stupidity of No Planers, but the VicSim report, I my opinion, takes the cake. Not only on stupidity, but on the repulsive value too. It would be better to just watch Unsecured Coins' video on the VicSim report here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypRnzVcGus Warning, NSFW language.
triforcharity Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13,961

20th July 2010, 06:22 PM	#166
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,494	Originally Posted by bill smith You probably don't even know that Bush and his pals were served with a murder writ in 2004 by among others 400 9/11 family members . It's sad that you believe that actually happened.

20th July 2010, 08:03 PM	#167
TSR Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,783	Originally Posted by fess I posted the link to the web site, why don’t you read it and report back to everyone about the content… Originally Posted by bill smith You can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks. . BS: Read these two quotes and see if you can spot the problem... .
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20th July 2010, 08:22 PM	#168
babazaroni Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 787	There's a guy in an ongoing thread who says he is an engineer and claims that a YouTube video shows mathematically that the WTC towers should have taken a minimum of 42 seconds to collapse. Here's the thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...184#msg1219184 And here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_j1jAv1j3U He's quite persistent. I'm sure the engineers here could have much fun with him.
babazaroni Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 787	Last edited by babazaroni; 20th July 2010 at 08:34 PM.

20th July 2010, 08:28 PM	#169
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,883	Originally Posted by bill smith See hyperlink for 100% confirmation. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=135 hyperlink All you have shown is 100% confirmation that you believe every nutjob with a nutjob story on the internet without question. Of course from lurking and reading your posts on this forum, I already knew that about you.
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20th July 2010, 10:11 PM	#170
triforcharity Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13,961	Originally Posted by babazaroni There's a guy in an ongoing thread who says he is an engineer and claims that a YouTube video shows mathematically that the WTC towers should have taken a minimum of 42 seconds to collapse. Here's the thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...184#msg1219184 And here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_j1jAv1j3U He's quite persistent. I'm sure the engineers here could have much fun with him. Let me guess, "Clunkity-clunk?"
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20th July 2010, 11:18 PM	#171
fess Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,425	Originally Posted by bill smith Hmmm...I don't think I'll bother. You can post the links amd show people...if you dare of course. Watch this space folks. So, you will use a web site as a resource to prove that Bush is guilty of rape, but you won’t read the material on the site? Hmmmm, yes, I think I do see a problem here… Thanks for proving that what I said about you is a fact! Stay tuned folks, I'm sure he will prove me right again.
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21st July 2010, 03:47 AM	#172
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15,333	Originally Posted by triforcharity Not to take away from the stupidity of No Planers, but the VicSim report, I my opinion, takes the cake. Not only on stupidity, but on the repulsive value too. It would be better to just watch Unsecured Coins' video on the VicSim report here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypRnzVcGus Warning, NSFW language. AAAAH! Why did you subject me to that? Poking around the 'VicSim' sewage produced this gem vicsim or mock vicsim He argues that a police officer he knows to be real and killed at Ground Zero is in fact alive and living under a new identity somewhere along with his colleagues!

21st July 2010, 04:05 AM	#173
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,605	Originally Posted by bill smith I think Jim thinks that the Pentagon was a set up the same as I do. A honeypot to attract conspiracy theories. I think I read somewhere that he thinks there may have been a real 757 with explosives fitted to blow any of the large parts like the tail to pieces on impact. Bill, is that your submission for the finest examples of truther stupidity that you've ever encountered?

21st July 2010, 04:26 AM	#174
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 26,369	Originally Posted by cantonear1968 Bill, is that your submission for the finest examples of truther stupidity that you've ever encountered? If it's not his, it's certainly one of mine. Hoffman's suggestion is that a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon, but a missile was used to blow the tail off just before impact so that conspiracy theorists would note the absence of impact damage from the tail and thus deduce that something other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, and this would be used to discredit conspiracy theorists, because it was perfectly obvious all along that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon so nobody could possibly believe anything else. As a piece of convoluted illogic, it's so perfectly formed that it's almost impossible even to articulate it correctly and clearly. It's diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated 24-carat stupidity. Dave
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21st July 2010, 05:51 AM	#175
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	I think that they had planned to blow away all the conspiracy theories en bloc by suddenly comng out at the strategic moment with incontrovertible video of the 757 hitting the Pentagon. But then they had two connected forced errors that made it pointless to bring out the Pentagon video. And as we all know by now there are well devveloped theories for all the 9/11 events. To show the plane now would have zero effect on any other theory and probably be completely counterproductive for the perps. Especially now that more and more people are seeing the Pentagon for the set up that it is. And now we can have a better look at how we were conditioned and set up.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 21st July 2010 at 06:51 AM.

21st July 2010, 10:03 AM	#176
9/11 Chewy Defense Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	Originally Posted by bill smith I think that they had planned to blow away all the conspiracy theories en bloc by suddenly comng out at the strategic moment with incontrovertible video of the 757 hitting the Pentagon. But then they had two connected forced errors that made it pointless to bring out the Pentagon video. And as we all know by now there are well devveloped theories for all the 9/11 events. To show the plane now would have zero effect on any other theory and probably be completely counterproductive for the perps. Especially now that more and more people are seeing the Pentagon for the set up that it is. And now we can have a better look at how we were conditioned and set up. Why do you need a video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon when they picked up parts of the plane inside & out of the building? Unless you think they "planted" the parts, then you're not thinking outside the paranoid box. Are you still not getting the big picture Billy? We all know that you just come to JREF to get your jollies off. What's the big deal Bill? We all know you're paranoid just like the rest of the looney tunes at 9/11 Truth.
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21st July 2010, 10:40 AM	#177
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 15,334	I think it's interesting that whenever there is a thread about stupid things that truthers say, several truthers always jump in and add more stupid things to the pile.
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21st July 2010, 12:06 PM	#178
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,605	Arrgghhh!!!! ******** truthers!!! I absolutely hate them!! I'm having a debate and the guy tells me he can defeat my argument simply using NIST's own conclusions. So it's a mostly civil debate of quotes from NIST papers, mostly having to do with the UL tests and the SFRM "shot gun" tests, and I just get him to the point where I point out how he's misinterpreting the results, about how it's not one buck shot going through the buildings but millions of pieces in the debris path of the airplanes that is striking the fireproofed trusses and he comes back with this: "Well, I would suggest you watch the impact videos of WTC 2 then... You state it was a million pieces yet we saw the planes winds (sic) go through the outer column like a hot knife through butter, and we saw the NOSE come out the other side, INTACT... Where is that million pieces, I mean you can watch it and see that it is CGI edited, no wonder it gives people like me who try to wake others up, then it gives people like you who, basically take orders, like a slave..." (bolding mine) What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that [I've] ever encountered? No Planers! Without a doubt! Definitely No planers!

21st July 2010, 12:12 PM	#179
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15,333	Truthers are like Apollo Hoax Proponents. they see the whole thing as lots of isoleted items and facts. They latch on to one thing that only works if you disregard lots of other things.

21st July 2010, 12:12 PM	#180
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,605	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers If it's not his, it's certainly one of mine. Hoffman's suggestion is that a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon, but a missile was used to blow the tail off just before impact so that conspiracy theorists would note the absence of impact damage from the tail and thus deduce that something other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, and this would be used to discredit conspiracy theorists, because it was perfectly obvious all along that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon so nobody could possibly believe anything else. As a piece of convoluted illogic, it's so perfectly formed that it's almost impossible even to articulate it correctly and clearly. It's diamond-encrusted, platinum-plated 24-carat stupidity. Dave Obviously on the lower level of conspracy theories, even for delusional truthers, because I had never heard that one before. And Bill, you support this conclusion!? (I'd like to leave a laughing dog, but I don't feel I have earned that right since I haven't posted here very much yet!)

21st July 2010, 12:24 PM	#181
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 14,458	Originally Posted by bill smith That's a very interesting minimum ten-minute delay between me deleting my post and you quoting the full text of it. How would that work now with single poster-single reply ? It's odd isn't it ? I can't imagine any normal poster taking ten minutes over such an inane reply either Looks like I have another interesting anecdote for the future... Holograms were probably involved.

21st July 2010, 01:00 PM	#182
Fonebone persona non grata Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 481	Step up to the plate - mano a mano Originally Posted by cantonear1968 Arrgghhh!!!! ******** truthers!!! I absolutely hate them!! No Planers! Without a doubt! Definitely No planers! Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer " Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ? An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden
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21st July 2010, 01:09 PM	#183
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 17,883	The Fonebone Theory of WTC2 Am I right?

21st July 2010, 01:10 PM	#184
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 14,458	Originally Posted by Fonebone Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Quick googling tells me a cruise missle is around 6 meters long...how long is a jumbo jet?

21st July 2010, 01:16 PM	#185
Tinfoil Hater Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,435	Originally Posted by Fonebone Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer " Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ? An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden any proof of a cruise missle?

21st July 2010, 01:17 PM	#186
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 17,883	KingMerv00, You can see some of the theory here.

21st July 2010, 01:17 PM	#187
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 15,334	Originally Posted by KingMerv00 Quick googling tells me a cruise missle is around 6 meters long...how long is a jumbo jet? You have to take relativity and Lorenz transformations into account.
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21st July 2010, 01:40 PM	#188
The Charnel Expanse Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 944	Anyone remember what used to be at http://www.stlouisrams.net ? A guy claiming that one of the keys to understanding 9/11 was the propaganda psyop that occurred in Super Bowl XXXVI, which was clearly fixed in favor of the [gasp] Patriots [and he had the grainy, frame-by-frame gifs slowed down to ¼ their original rate and clearly showed calls blown by the refs in real time to prove it].
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21st July 2010, 01:48 PM	#189
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 38,831	Originally Posted by The Platypus All you have shown is 100% confirmation that you believe every nutjob with a nutjob story on the internet without question. Of course from lurking and reading your posts on this forum, I already knew that about you. Either that of bill is just a Troll who gets his jollies out of getting a rise out of us..a very strong possibility.

21st July 2010, 01:49 PM	#190
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,605	Originally Posted by Fonebone Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer " Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ? Yes, fonebone. I absolutely would. Except I don't want to derail this thread, so please pick another place where you would like to discuss this. Might I suggest Vienna? Birthplace of modern psychiatry? BTW, how is Ace Baker after his "suicide" attempt?

21st July 2010, 01:49 PM	#191
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 38,831	Originally Posted by Fonebone Fonebone is a " truther " and a " No planer " Fonebone says the WTC2 murder weapon was a cruise missile disguised a a Boeing 767. Would you like to go " toe to toe" with Fonebone and his cruise missile evidence ? An ass is still an ass even though he wears a lion's hide --Dryden Fonebone is crazy as hell.

21st July 2010, 01:51 PM	#192
Tinfoil Hater Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,435	Originally Posted by dudalb Fonebone is crazy as hell. I think our resident no planer Jammy wins that award

21st July 2010, 02:03 PM	#193
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 17,883	I like Fonebone's posts. Always double-spaced, refers to his nickname in the 3rd person, generally ends them with a relevant quote, occasionally amusing use of inequality signs < >, and he has an actually affirmative hypothesis about what actually happened on 9/11. Bic?

21st July 2010, 05:03 PM	#194
Tinfoil Hater Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,435	One chestnut of Truther stupidity that ranks up there with the no planers is the one that argue that the calls made from the planes were fake. Some Truthers do think the real people were on the phones, but some government agents had them at gunpoint reading a script. . Other Truthers suggest the calls were government fabricated robocalls. Someone on this board thinks Betty Ong's call was fake. And their proof would be..........? Plus Truthers argue it's impossible for cellphone calls to be made at a high altitude- last time I checked, all the planes were at a very low altitude when they crashed.... Have Truthers come up with anything they see as evidence to support their theories that the phone calls were fakes?
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21st July 2010, 10:31 PM	#195
Bell Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 21,050	Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer Have Truthers come up with anything they see as evidence to support their theories that the phone calls were fakes? "Mom? This is Mark Bingham!"