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Old 10th January 2017, 01:30 AM   #1
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Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has been downloaded over 400,000 times

It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
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Old 10th January 2017, 01:33 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
No, it isn't. We already know the world is full of gullible fools.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
Any average cat video can be downloaded million of times.

Heck I am pretty sure "apollo moon hoax" main web site has been also looked at million of times.

That does not indicate veracity, it only indicate in all 3 cases that a lot of people like to look at funny stuff.

(and don't get me started on how often the timecube page was looked at)
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Old 10th January 2017, 05:05 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
So the fraud continues this is only going to explode in your face Tony making you look less like an engineer or scientist.

Only people with less brains than slime mold believe the insane CD lies.
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Old 10th January 2017, 05:19 AM   #5
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Meanwhile, the 9/11 related petitions garner around 200 votes.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=233634

That's actually a way better measurement about how many people are convinced by the arguments vs. how many just listen to or read them.

ETA: Also, we know that AE911T buys Facebook "likes". I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they also bought or otherwise propped "downloads".
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Old 10th January 2017, 05:32 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.
So, if AE911T continues to fail to achieve anything, you'll no longer have the excuse that we on ISF, by disagreeing with you, are somehow preventing you from getting your message out. Fine by me.

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399,999 are probably Tony downloading the file.

It means nothing.
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Old 10th January 2017, 05:41 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
399,999 are probably Tony downloading the file.
Nah. I've looked at it twice.

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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times [...].
^The appeal to popularity fallacy.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
I'm sorry but what exactly is the point here? Are you saying that number of downloads = agreement with conclusions?
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I'm sorry but what exactly is the point here? Are you saying that number of downloads = agreement with conclusions?
No, I think he's just confirming that attention seeking has always been the primary, if not the only, goal of 9/11 truthers.

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It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times.
Yes because as we all know, the popularity of an idea demonstrates how true it is.
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Nah. I've looked at it twice.

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I forwarded the file to about 20-30 friends with the caption "Look at these morons at Euro physics buying into this ****."

So Tony is right it has been forwarded.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
8 years of waste Tony, that's all this amounts too.
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I have not read, nor will I... but I imagine that the science/engineering in this article contains flaws. Getting published is no guaranty that the content is accurate, reliable or likely in this case good science or engineering.

Look at how many scams are out there which have a veneer of legitimacy and followers around the world in the tens of thousands... Scientology comes to mind.

People are distrustful, but want to find reliable sources of information... That could explain the number of downloads... but this has nothing to do with the content.
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Well, one of those downloads was me. Does that count?
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Well, one of those downloads was me. Does that count?
Tony also forgot too mention it wasn't published as a science article but as an opinion article.
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Tony also forgot too mention it wasn't published as a science article but as an opinion article.
Which makes it yet another non-peer reviewed write up.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
Well done then Tony.

Has it resulted in garnering that much ballyhooed 'new investigation' yet?
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I'm sorry but what exactly is the point here? Are you saying that number of downloads = agreement with conclusions?
I would interpret such a rare record-breaking response to a physics publication as a strong show of professional interest from people who are not satisfied with the official story.

The contrary knee jerk response by yourself and the rest of the herd is just the usual 'gate-keeping' smoke-blowing.
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I would interpret such a rare record-breaking response to a physics publication as a strong show of professional interest from people who are not satisfied with the official story.

The contrary knee jerk response by yourself and the rest of the herd is just the usual 'gate-keeping' smoke-blowing.
There is some evidence that this is a rare and record breaking response of professional interest?

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I would interpret such a rare record-breaking response to a physics publication as a strong show of professional interest from people who are not satisfied with the official story.

The contrary knee jerk response by yourself and the rest of the herd is just the usual 'gate-keeping' smoke-blowing.
I would interpret it as having received a lot of free publicity from AE911T and it's sycophants. Certainly a lot more than this article.
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Prestigious author of highly-downloaded opinion article spends his free time demonstrating that he cannot be intellectually honest when it comes to criticisms of the clearly erroneous thinking that underpins his horribly biased opinion. Sources say the author has been spotted in the wild posting to internet message boards silly, open-ended questions (1, 2) that only belie his failure to grasp the issues on which he chooses to opine. All attempts to talk to the author have failed, however, as he seems keenly aware that his opinions aren't worth much when actually discussed.

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I would interpret such a rare record-breaking response to a physics publication as a strong show of professional interest from people who are not satisfied with the official story.

The contrary knee jerk response by yourself and the rest of the herd is just the usual 'gate-keeping' smoke-blowing.
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I would interpret such a rare record-breaking response to a physics publication as a strong show of professional interest from people who are not satisfied with the official story.
Based on what evidence? How do you know "professionals" (whatever you define that to mean) showed a strong interest in this article?

How do you know those professionals are not satisfied with the official story?

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The contrary knee jerk response by yourself and the rest of the herd is just the usual 'gate-keeping' smoke-blowing.
I could say the same of your response, full as it is of wishful thinking and baseless assumptions without evidence.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
Yes, now more people know 9/11 truth is based on speculation, a polite term for lies based on delusions.

Dr Jones, fired for spewing lies and speculation born in fantasy. Wow, you celebrate ignorance in print. Good job

Don't forget, the artile is not science, it is speculation; aka woo
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This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles, in that it contains some speculation. However, given the timing and the importance of the issue, we consider that this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. Obviously, the content of this article is the responsibility of the authors.
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

Downloaded over 400,000 times and still, no 9/11 CD evidence revealed.
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At most 400k downloads indicates interest in the topic. Attempting to draw conclusions about the psyche of the people accessing the file is an exercize in futility. I dont know who downloaded the article or what their state of minds are. Playing on the "popularity" without such context makes the argument a fallacy. Trying to determine the motivation or mindset of individuals downloading the article is an attempt at clairvoyance... a feature of humanity that doesnt exist
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
I would say show me results. Not download popularity. Progress from A/E911truth has been stagnant and most of the visible "popularity" on this topic is confined to online discussion sites where pools of individuals continue discussions of the topic at large. I don't foresee 9/11 conspiracy topics ever going away, but for as long as the topic has existed efforts on the part of ae911 have largely run stale on tangible results and so long as the errors exist on their part support and results will remain limited accordingly
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...such a rare record-breaking response ...
What was the record that this response broke?
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Downloaded over 400,000 times and still, no 9/11 CD evidence hypothesis revealed.
Quote slightly edited for even more truth
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Nah. I've looked at it twice.

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I've looked at it no less then four times, why would I use my space to save it?

If Tony really wants to blow his horn, he'll quote how many times it's be credited in other articles.
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Meanwhile, the 9/11 related petitions garner around 200 votes.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=233634

That's actually a way better measurement about how many people are convinced by the arguments vs. how many just listen to or read them.

ETA: Also, we know that AE911T buys Facebook "likes". I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they also bought or otherwise propped "downloads".
Yes to the latter. Here is another Facebook page, this one called "The 9/11 Truth Movement". I have been monitoring how many "Likes" it picks up since early September 2015. This is the pattern - Likes per month:



As you can see, interest is slowly decaying, and there is an annual peak of interest in the month of September, when the 9/11 anniversaries generate traffic.

Another example for this pattern is the "ReThink911" petition. Remember "ReThink911"? The "record-breaking", "world-wide" campaign to really get da Twoof to the forefront of news? AE911Truth and Gage spent hundreds of thousands of $$$ on it in 2013, and promised: "When this petition reaches one million signers, it will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that lost citizens in the attacks of September 11, 2001" (actual quote on the homepage still today!!) and yet, more than 3 years later, they only got 22,699 signers. 2% of the target! What a crashing defeat! Anyway, the same pattern of activity here:


Interest is decaying over the years, but sharp peaks in all Septembers.

Now contrast this with the pattern by which the AE911Truth Facebook site picks up new Likes (never mind the slightly different plot shape with flat lines instead of points for each month):



It's very much up and down. While 2015 indeed had a mild peak for September, 2016 had peaks in January and July, with September about matching the average for the year (290 vs. 300 Likes/Day). The months' averages varied between 21 and 546 last year - unreal!

I open their FB page once every few days and jot down the current number of likes. The time interval between two data points can be anything from 1 day to two weeks, with an average of 4 days. I have a spreadsheet that computes the Likes/Day for each time interval, each month, each year. I observe Phases with many and other Phases with few likes. Here is a chart that shows you such phases:



Some observations:
  • In Jan and Feb 2016, there were short bursts of six and four days averaging more than 1000 Likes per Day
  • Phases with 200-400 Likes/Day alternate with much busier and much slower Phases
  • In the 165 days from May 9 to Oct 21, I never observed less than 150 Likes/Day (average: 408; max: 792)
  • Immediately following, in the 70 days between Oct 21 and Dec 30, I never observed more than 82 Likes/Day (average: 33; min: 4)
After that last date, rates are up to >100/Day.

It very much appeared as if a campaign was switched on on May 8th, which was then suddenly switched off on December 30. While the campaign was on, the harvest was ~15 times the base line.

[ETA]I never see any indication that times with increased "Like"ing correlate in any way with any media campaign. For example: On August 18, AE911Truth sent out a newsletter titled "Look Out: A tidal wave of 9/11 Truth is coming!", and on August 29, the Europhysics article was announced by another AE911Truth article. Did the tidal wave, or the record-breaking article, affect the number of people who found their way to their Facebook page? Hell no! See Figure 3 above: August was a decline from July, September declined further, November declined even further, December declined even further! [/ETA]


I am convinced that actual traffic - Likes arising from real people genuinly wanting to flag AE911Truth as something they like - is no more than 35 Likes/Day, and that all the rest - sometimes 350 Likes/Day and more - is bought for money. If there were no shenanigans, their FB page would be liked by less than 120,000 instead of the 412,000+ they show. After 9 years, that is a poor showing for so much money spent on propaganda.
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^The appeal to popularity fallacy.
Exactly! Truth established by click counts? And since when do people downloading a document mean that they agree with its conclusions? Wanting to see the arguments is broad-minded- agreeing with them is something completely different. Probably I've downloaded more documents that I up strongly disagreed with than the ones I fully agreed with after reading them.
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ON YouTube:

Dr. Pimple Popper's "Best Punch Removals of 2016" has 2,067,291 views, and her "Blackhead Extraction Session #2 in 'Mr. Gold' - Addressing the Inflamed One has 14,678,123 views (all of her videos are inside jobs BTW).

Joe Weller's "Reacting to Ghosts Caught on Camera" has 5,006,595 views, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't prove ghosts are real.

Most fart related videos average 2 million views, which is initiative of click number relevance.
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Downloaded over 400,000 times and still, no 9/11 CD evidence revealed.
Evidence, they don't need any flicking evidence. If they believe it is true, then it must be true.
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It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. ...
Can you justify this judgement? To whom is it important, and why?
Are any lives made better by this?
Has anything new been learned by anyone?
Does somebody feel important now, and who would that be?
Would money or entitlements be lost if this notification had remained unwritten?
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Exactly! Truth established by click counts? And since when do people downloading a document mean that they agree with its conclusions?
I think the truther mindset, and one most emphatically exhibited by Tony, is that nobody can honestly deny the validity of their arguments, so to hear them is to believe them. It's the underlying belief system that has them, and again most emphatically Tony, labeling most of the posters on this forum as paid shills of the conspiracy; once they cannot accept that anyone can honestly disagree with them, then anybody doing so must have a suspect agenda. In that mindset, 400,000 views translates directly to 400,000 agreements with everything they say [1]; or, alternatively, 400,000-X agreements, where X is the number of members of the conspiracy who've viewed the document.

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[1] The idea that it would take less than 400,000 people to download a document 400,000 times is maybe a bit too subtle to introduce at this stage.
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