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Old 11th January 2017, 07:59 AM   #41
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The idea that number of downloads/views/clicks/whatever = number of people agreeing that the document is truthful is absurd. It merely takes literally any work of fiction to disprove this. Just wanting to read or view something does not mean you think that thing is true.

Honestly, it's this type of failure of critical thinking that leads to these awful conspiracy theories and similar rubbish. Can you people please stop not thinking?
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Old 11th January 2017, 08:05 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Can you justify this judgement? To whom is it important, and why?
Are any lives made better by this?
Has anything new been learned by anyone?
Does somebody feel important now, and who would that be?
Would money or entitlements be lost if this notification had remained unwritten?
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Has it resulted in garnering that much ballyhooed 'new investigation' yet?
The supposed purpose of AE911T is to get a new investigation. To do so they must garner the support of a recognized professional organization (preferably an American one) such as the ASCE, or even the IEEE.
A dozen+ years and counting now (iirc) since AE911T's inception.
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I got as far as the Editor's warning that the article differed from the journal's other articles which are based on actual science.
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Old 11th January 2017, 08:24 AM   #44
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The Law of Large Numbers + Barnum’s Law

Total submittals of this TS paper to top tier structural and fire engineering journals = unknown

Total submittals of this TS paper to top tier peer reviewed structural and fire engineering journals that were accepted = zero

Total of this TS paper shotgunned to structural, fire, physics journals, newsletters on the web beginning with the letter “E”, not peer reviewed and accepted as speculation = one
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Old 11th January 2017, 08:26 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
The Law of Large Numbers + Barnum’s Law
Total citations of this TS paper in top tier structural and fire engineering journals = unknown
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Old 11th January 2017, 08:30 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Total citations of this TS paper in top tier structural and fire engineering journals = unknown
There is a rather safe bet, dontcha think?


ETA: Most scientific journal would cite the article's DOI - it has one: http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/epn/2016402
You can google site that link to that DOI: Use the search string
Code:
linkto:http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/epn/2016402 -site:europhysicsnews.org -site:facebook.com -site:blogspot.com -site:wordpress.com
This excludes the link by Europhysicsnews itself, and from Facebook, Blogger and Wordpress, none of which host serious journals.
I get 20 results - easily checked: There are - surprise - zero science journals. Some blogs, some marketing consulting firms, some political radicals.
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Old 11th January 2017, 08:45 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
It is important to note that the Europhysics News article on the WTC collapses has now been downloaded over 400,000 times. See

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/artic...016474p21.html

That is far beyond the number of downloads experienced by any other article ever published by them.

Of course, this is not necessarily indicative of a maximum for the number of people who have read it, since it is likely it has also been forwarded as a pdf. However, it can be construed to provide a minimum.
Tony,

I have just one question for you. Is this following quote from the paper a true statement?
Quote:
Finally, the collapse was rapid, occurring in less than seven seconds.
Do you agree that the TOTAL collapse of WTC7 occurred in less than seven seconds?
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Old 11th January 2017, 09:10 AM   #48
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In comparison, an average Alex Jones video from Jan 4, 2017 already has over 186,000 views:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZQEEdPXZg

His video about Prince exposing the NWO from April 2016 has over 1.6 million views:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcYqFjvNpQ


So we already know there are hundreds of thousands of idiots who will download CT crap, so this 400,000 number isn't all that impressive.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:36 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
[1] The idea that it would take less than 400,000 people to download a document 400,000 times is maybe a bit too subtle to introduce at this stage.
How about the idea that a single truther wanting to inflate that number could do so trivially.
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Old 11th January 2017, 01:50 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
I got as far as the Editor's warning that the article differed from the journal's other articles which are based on actual science.
Had you continued reading past the first eleven words in the editor's note
you would have discovered the editors true sentiments on the subject.

Editors warning
[excerpt]
NOTE FROM THE EDITORS
This feature is somewhat different from our
usual purely scientific articles
,
in that it contains some
speculation.
However, given the timing and the

importance of the issue, we consider that this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. Obviously,
the content of this article is the responsibility
of the authors. [/excerpt]

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Old 11th January 2017, 02:03 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
NOTE FROM THE EDITORS
This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles ,
Yes, your bible faith based paper based on lies and nonsense, is not purely scientific. Do you understand this is a polite way to call them CTers with no evidence. Yes the authors have no evidence, the article is speculation based on paranoia, hate, and lots of BS.

This is funny and sad, 15 years and reading comprehension is banned from 9/11 truth.
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Old 12th January 2017, 04:16 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Had you continued reading past the first eleven words in the editor's note
you would have discovered the editors true sentiments on the subject.

Editors warning
[excerpt]
NOTE FROM THE EDITORS
This feature is somewhat different from our
usual purely scientific articles
,
in that it contains some
speculation.
However, given the timing and the

importance of the issue, we consider that this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. Obviously,
the content of this article is the responsibility
of the authors. [/excerpt]

Indeed, You do understand the editors are distancing themselves as far as they possibly can without resorting to using the word crapola.

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Old 12th January 2017, 06:32 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Indeed, You do understand the editors are distancing themselves as far as they possibly can without resorting to using the word crapola.
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
[excerpt]
.... this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]

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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
[excerpt]
.... this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]

The paper is based on a lie and fools people who can't do science, and people who prefer lies. You like lies, and can't figure out CD is lie; 15 years, no evidence. Self critiquing; Yes, the authors of the paper lie about 9/11, and some people are fooled.

The paper is BS, and was not published in a journal. Why can't 9/11 truth liars get published in a real engineering journal. It is news, there are crazy ideas about 9/11 based on no evidence - the lies fool those who refuse to think for themselves. Did if fool you?
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Old 12th January 2017, 07:35 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
[excerpt]
.... this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]

But not scientific, just sufficiently technical to be interesting. That's a pretty low standard.

They sure as XXXX aren't endorsing it.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
[excerpt]
.... this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]

"This article on the novel new process for making baseball bats out of marble is sufficiently technical for our readers"
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
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.... this
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to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]



Have you ever heard of the Journal of Irreproducible Results? While being intended as humor, it also included some actual studies that were "sufficiently technical and interesting", even though they were funny as hell. Sometimes even scientists like to just run with some ******** to see what happens.

Heck, we're doing that right now, here on the ISF, in a thread about a ******** free energy device. Just for fun, we have people speculating about what the environmental impact of this "discovery" would be if it were true. I myself suggested that it might inadvertently turn into a hydrogen bomb.

So this disclaimer is possibly not so generous to the truthers as you might hope.
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Well, Horatius, a few years ago "South Park" did an episode involving 9/11 conspiracy and some truthers thought it was in support of their views. It wasn't.
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Or when CTists link to Washington Times or Onion articles to support their points.
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The editors of Europhysics News have posted a follow up re Tony's article. I'll let it speak for itself.
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I've archived it on webcitation.org too:

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2017-01-15

This part is worth highlighting:
It is shocking that the published article is being used to support conspiracy theories related to the attacks on the WTC. The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views.
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So, as most of us already knew, this changed nothing.
AE911T and the truther conjectures remain a fringe conspiracy theme. No formal or peer reviewed paper. No respect from the scientific or engineering communities.
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Originally Posted by benthamitemetric View Post
The editors of Europhysics News have posted a follow up re Tony's article. I'll let it speak for itself.
By now, Tony and AE911T must be aware of this further disclaimer by Europhysics News.
The questions are:
- Will AE911T post this disclaimer on their website?
- Will Tony Szamboti or AE911T post a response to this damning disclaimer?
- Or will they ignore it and pretend that their POV is most certainly not shared by the Editors? "The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views"
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
By now, Tony and AE911T must be aware of this further disclaimer by Europhysics News.
The questions are:
- Will AE911T post this disclaimer on their website?
- Will Tony Szamboti or AE911T post a response to this damning disclaimer?
- Or will they ignore it and pretend that their POV is most certainly not shared by the Editors? "The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views"
They not only don't endorse it, they are changing their review process to help keep crap like that from slipping through again.
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They not only don't endorse it, they are changing their review process to help keep crap like that from slipping through again.
Obviously the NWO(NorthWestern Ontario)/Illogimatt got-to-them.
The ONLY question in AE911T's collective minds, would be, "Was it bribery, or threats of death and injury to the editors and their families?".

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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Indeed, You do understand the editors are distancing themselves as far as they possibly can without resorting to using the word crapola.
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Flapdoodle ! The editors clearly state in their " warning "
[excerpt]
.... this
feature is sufficiently technical and interesting
to merit publication for our readers. [/excerpt]

In light of the new disclaimer, it appears Lothian was quite correct, Fonebone.
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It is shocking that the published article is being used to support conspiracy theories related to the attacks on the WTC. The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views
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Anyone else notice that this was a drive-by Tony Szamboti thread?

Seems this:
Quote:
The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views
might have taken wind out of the sails.

ETA: oooh, just noticed my mixed metaphors....

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