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Old 6th February 2017, 12:58 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
96 and climbing.
'Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country'
--old military teletype test string.
But originally it was "...to the aid of the party," in other words a call to support a narrow political interest rather than the common good. Ironic that you should be ignorant of that.

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Old 6th February 2017, 12:59 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
point one- I am not a member of the AE911truth and have no connection
with that group whatsoever.
I am an independent researcher and signed the petition under my own volition.

Point two- I previously attempted to offer you "forensic evidence" that you failed to comprehend.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...98#post7378798

Do you wish to view more ?


How is a random debris field forensic evidence?
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How is a random debris field forensic evidence?
Apparently, because the debris is quite spread out and doesn't have any high spots to match the height of the remains of nearby buildings that parts of WTC1 and WTC2 fell on, this proves that WTC1 and WTC2 fell entirely within their own footprints. If the debris piles had been really high within the footprints, that would have proven that they fell outside their footprints. It's called proof by contradiction; the conclusion is obviously not true, therefore it's proven. I'm surprised you don't understand that already.

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Old 6th February 2017, 01:17 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
96 and climbing.
'Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country'
--old military teletype test string.
One of those is mine so doesn't really count. It was just a test.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
96 and climbing.
'Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country'
--old military teletype test string.
At one time all 96 (less pranksters and testers), could have been comfortably housed at the Tinley Park Mental Health Center. Unfortunately, our current underfunding of mental health will put them ranting on street corners. Such a sad state of affairs.
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
At one time all 96 (less pranksters and testers), could have been comfortably housed at the Tinley Park Mental Health Center. Unfortunately, our current underfunding of mental health will put them ranting on street corners. Such a sad state of affairs.
133*

Another 37 nutters seem to have escaped the nuthouse and took over a local internetcafe...
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Beachnut- hats off to you, mate: you called it. fonebone only responded when I used the orange Aliens guy to ask my question. Fascinating.
So, to the reply:

Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
point one- I am not a member of the AE911truth and have no connection
with that group whatsoever.
I am an independent researcher and signed the petition under my own volition.
Please read my posts again- with or without the Ancient Aliens guy- and highlight any part of them where I said you were.
What I asked you was what the evidence was that AE911Truth had published, that convinced you to sign this petition. I also made the point that presenting this evidence would possibly persuade others to sign.
Just to remind you, this is what the petition says:
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Open a new investigation into the events of 911 and incorporate the forensic evidence offered by ae911truth.org.
That's the evidence I'm asking for.

Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Point two- I previously attempted to offer you "forensic evidence" that you failed to comprehend.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...98#post7378798

Do you wish to view more ?


Firstly, please link to any post of mine indicating my lack of comprehension of this "forensic evidence".
Next, that's not the evidence I'm asking for. I'm asking for AE911Truth's evidence. I assume that you, as an "independent researcher" haven't simply taken their word for it, but have actually checked to see that this evidence exists, and is valid. You wouldn't want to put your name on something that turned out to be rubbish, would you?
Finally, the "evidence" you have linked to is just you quibbling about what constitutes a footprint. In your estimation, do you think this is sufficient to galvanise the White House into action?

In answer to your question (which I am capable of answering without a Hitchens meme), yes, I would like to see more. (An unkind person might say 'any', but I am not unkind).
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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
133*

Another 37 nutters seem to have escaped the nuthouse and took over a local internetcafe...
349 presently minus the tester , the prankster and the dummkopf
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
349 presently minus the tester , the prankster and the dummkopf
356 Dummköpfe now, minus the tester.

With tens of millions of Americans supporting 9/11 truth, it shouldn't be difficult to get this baby to 2000 - 2% of what's needed. Amazing, how AE911Truth sails from unprecedented triumph to unprecedented triumph [/SARCASM]
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349 presently minus the tester , the prankster and the dummkopf
9:30 PM EST 404 signed and verified
--corrected to 401
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Hope for the USA education system, millions reject fake petition of lies

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9:30 PM EST 404 signed and verified
--corrected to 401
Celebrate, there is hope for the USA, there are only 401 who fall for the Big lie petition based on overwhelming ignorance, bias, and BS.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
9:30 PM EST 404 signed and verified
--corrected to 401
HA! That's some compelling 401 posts right there.

The comedy doesn't get any better.
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HA! That's some compelling 401 posts right there.

The comedy doesn't get any better.
12:15 EST PETITION -- 450 Signed and verified

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12:15 EST PETITION -- 450 Signed and verified

Every act has priceless value
to the architect of fate,
and the spirit of thy doing
makes the action small or great. _Whittaker
Too bad then the spirit of your act is just as misguided.
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Too bad then the spirit of your act is just as misguided.
Nothing deters a good man from doing what is honorable.

2:00 PM EST 457 signed and verified.
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Nothing deters a good man from doing what is honorable.

2:00 PM EST 457 signed and verified.
Looks like nothing deters a wrong man from doing what is misguided and based on willful ignorance then, either.
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Nothing deters a good man from doing what is honorable.

2:00 PM EST 457 signed and verified.
You need about 223 people an hour to make your goal by the end of the 22nd.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
12:15 EST PETITION -- 450 Signed and verified
Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
2:00 PM EST 457 signed and verified.
Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
You need about 223 people an hour to make your goal by the end of the 22nd.
The above represents 4 per hour.

Not looking good.

ETA: I can't help noticing that AE911T alone has more than 2000 members. Where are they?
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ETA: I can't help noticing that AE911T alone has more than 2000 members. Where are they?
Are they verified?
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
The above represents 4 per hour.

Not looking good.

ETA: I can't help noticing that AE911T alone has more than 2000 members. Where are they?
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02-09-2017 08:45 AM EST 558 signed and verified
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Nothing deters a good man from doing what is honorable.

2:00 PM EST 457 signed and verified.
Nothing deters a good person from doing what HE/SHE BELIEVES is honorable.
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The above represents 4 per hour.

Not looking good.

ETA: I can't help noticing that AE911T alone has more than 2000 members. Where are they?
To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice _Confucius

02-09-2017 08:45 AM EST 558 signed and verified
Well, we know that all these people in AE911T are gullible, but calling them cowards sounds a bit strong.
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To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice _Confucius

02-09-2017 08:45 AM EST 558 signed and verified
So according to you, does that mean that AE911 has 2230 (or more) cowards who don't know right from wrong in their group as of today?
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To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice _Confucius

02-09-2017 08:45 AM EST 558 signed and verified
What if you don't really know what is right, only stick your fingers in your ears and continue to believe something such as a giant unnecessary controlled demolition, against all evidence, and act on it? That's pretty bad also, isn't it? Isn't that bearing false witness?
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currently at 563. Seems that the local nuthouse has stepped up their security, or some of them took their medicines on time.
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ae911t has no forensic evidence - the big lie petition

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To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice _Confucius

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Bizzaro world, where spreading dumbed down lies is right?. Why do paranoid conspiracy theorists post quotes which don't match their being. If 9/11 truth followers knew what was right, there would be no 9/11 truth.

Quote:
Only through education does one come to be dissatisfied with his own knowledge, and only through teaching others does one come to realize the uncomfortable inadequacy of his knowledge. Being dissatisfied with his own knowledge, one then realizes that the trouble lies with himself, and realizing the uncomfortable inadequacy of his knowledge one then feels stimulated to improve himself. Therefore, it is said, "the processes of teaching and learning stimulate one another."
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You think your knowledge is correct... big failure.

The big lie petition, which fools gullible followers.
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Open a new investigation into the events of 911 and incorporate the forensic evidence offered by ae911truth.org.
You signed a lie.

... Is there a contest in the fantasy world of 9/11 truth for the most absurd quote relative to false claims and lies by 9/11 truth. A contest you could win
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As fonebone seems reluctant to post the "forensic evidence" collected by AE911Truth, I took a deep breath, and went onto their website to see if I could locate it myself.
It was the first time I had been on this site, and....Oh. My. Goodness.
I clicked on the link to "evidence", and found this:
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-n...engineers.html
Quote:
60 structural and civil engineers cite evidence for controlled demolition in collapses of all 3 WTC highrises on 9/11.
Here is some of the evidence:
Quote:
“Something is wrong with this picture,” thought Nathan Lomba, S.E., P.E., of Eureka, California.

Many structural engineers, like Lomba, find the unnatural symmetry of the fall of all three skyscrapers highly suspicious.

The symmetry of collapse struck both Paul Mason, a structural engineer in Melbourne, Australia, and Dennis Kollar, P.E., a structural engineer in Wisconsin, as disconcerting. Kollar remains troubled by the “totality and uniformity of the destruction” and by the fact that “the mass of debris remained centered on the building core all the way down.”
The engineers find it difficult to believe the government’s claim that scattered fires brought about such an orderly collapse.

“Symmetrical collapse requires simultaneous failure of all supporting columns,” notes Charles Pegelow, P.E., a Houston, Texas, licensed civil engineer who has performed design work on numerous tall buildings as well as oil rigs. “How could all 47 core columns fail at the same instant?” Pegelow wondered briefly, then concluded definitively, “Fires could not do that.”

“That does not look anything like a heat-induced, gravitational collapse mechanism,”

“The tilting block doesn’t look right,” Brookman asserts.

Baffling as the towers’ “collapses” were, even more perplexing to the 60 structural engineers was the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7. “Unprecedented,” says Rice. “Unexplainable,” vouches Huebner. After all, as all the engineers know, and as London chartered structural engineer Graham Inman declares bluntly on their behalf, “No plane hit this building.”
And so on.
An entire page of "it doesn't look right" and arguments from incredulity.

This was quite eye-opening for me. I mean, I knew they were a bunch of [insert appropriate epithet/s here], but to call this evidence with a straight face? That's quite something.

No surprise then, that so far they have only managed to persuade fewer than 600 simpletons (out of a population of some 350 million, and of course excluding fonebone) to sign the petition.
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I've made a realtime graph to see the evolution of this petition.

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...tion/graph.php

I started gathering data yesterday, so the first increments are not seen.
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And here's a version vertically zoomed on the bottom of the graph, which may be more useful in this case:

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...ion/graph2.php
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
And here's a version vertically zoomed on the bottom of the graph, which may be more useful in this case:

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...ion/graph2.php
Please redo both graphs to reflect the actual date the petition
was created -- Monday Jan 23
Yes , the tally numbers are embarrassing and pathetic but the children
in the group have already exploited and exhausted their puerile humor
in the two weeks the petition ratchet was frozen at one signature.
An accurate depiction of the complete timeline the petition was open will be more honest.
The petition ratchet was opened Monday February 6th with a count of 85 at 12 PM EST.
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As I said, I started collecting data yesterday, therefore this is the most accurate thing I could do:

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...ion/graph3.php
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
As I said, I started collecting data yesterday, therefore this is the most accurate thing I could do:

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...ion/graph3.php
Sorry - I appreciate your efforts but to me your graph is yearly calendar with
six months of five day weeks.
Can anyone in the group create a graph of the petition with an accurate plot line
of signatures over the entire thirty day open period ?

Day 1 to day 14 are frozen at one signature. Day 15 at 12:00 PM the count was 85.
Today is day 19 and at 5:30 the signature count stands at 587.
12 days remaining to gather 99,413 more signatures. -Thanks in advance-
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Old 10th February 2017, 03:42 PM   #113
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Pathetic petition fools a fringe few

How many idiots will fall the lies?

A petition starts with a lie which will fooled a fringe few idiots who are paranoid conspiracy theorists, 9/11 truth failed followers.
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587 votes as of today.

It seems, as per usual, the Truth Movement is suffering from constipation.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
...the tally numbers are embarrassing and pathetic...

Thank You
You're welcome.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Can anyone in the group create a graph of the petition with an accurate plot line of signatures over the entire thirty day open period ?
Sure.



As pgimeno correctly pointed out earlier, such graphs must be scaled to the target of 100,000 signatures.
The signatures per day similarly need to be scaled to what is needed daily to get to 100,000 in 30 days. That would be 3334 per day.

This looks like this:



Essentially a flatline. The Truth Movement is dead. We knew that before. E.g. the ReThink911 campaign of 2013, does anybody remember? They promised that if their petition ever reached 1 million, they would send it to all heads of state of the countries that lost citizens on 9/11. Here's how that petition fared, to the tune of hundreds of $$$ that AE911 spent on it:



Here is a Facebook group - one of the largest that's 9/11-themed, called "1,000,000 people for 911 TRUTH". This is how it grew since two years ago:



I once tracked another petition at whitehouse.org - about those 28 pages. Look:


You see flatlines upon flatlines.
That's the 9/11 Truth Movement: Bereft of life.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Sure.



As pgimeno correctly pointed out earlier, such graphs must be scaled to the target of 100,000 signatures.
The signatures per day similarly need to be scaled to what is needed daily to get to 100,000 in 30 days. That would be 3334 per day.

This looks like this:



Essentially a flatline. The Truth Movement is dead. We knew that before. E.g. the ReThink911 campaign of 2013, does anybody remember? They promised that if their petition ever reached 1 million, they would send it to all heads of state of the countries that lost citizens on 9/11. Here's how that petition fared, to the tune of hundreds of $$$ that AE911 spent on it:



Here is a Facebook group - one of the largest that's 9/11-themed, called "1,000,000 people for 911 TRUTH". This is how it grew since two years ago:



I once tracked another petition at whitehouse.org - about those 28 pages. Look:


You see flatlines upon flatlines.
That's the 9/11 Truth Movement: Bereft of life.
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of value to someone who doesn't appreciate it- 'swine' are 'pigs'.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Truth is precious and divine ;
too rich a pearl for carnal swine .
-Samual Butler ...
Exactly, 9/11 truth has no truth.

Why do you post quotes which are the opposite of 9/11 truth spreading lies of CD and some inside job no one in 9/11 truth can define.

If you researched 9/11 as much as you research quotes to post which do not match your lies and BS, you would be dropping CD and using reality.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Truth is precious and divine ;
too rich a pearl for carnal swine .
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Cast pearls before swine - If you cast pearls before swine, you offer something
of value to someone who doesn't appreciate it- 'swine' are 'pigs'.
It's Samuel, for a start, and you appear to be casting yourself in the role of the swine. Was this your intent?
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Sorry - I appreciate your efforts but to me your graph is yearly calendar with
six months of five day weeks.
Can anyone in the group create a graph of the petition with an accurate plot line
of signatures over the entire thirty day open period ?

Day 1 to day 14 are frozen at one signature. Day 15 at 12:00 PM the count was 85.
Today is day 19 and at 5:30 the signature count stands at 587.
12 days remaining to gather 99,413 more signatures. -Thanks in advance-
You now need 403 signatures per hour to make the February 22nd deadline.
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