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Old Today, 01:58 PM   #161
Baylor
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
It is a constant source of amusement to me when US conservatives explain American “exceptionalism” by explaining how similar the US is to third world countries.
Childless Europeans do the same thing. Why do you think the US looks so third worldy....

hint..hint...
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Old Today, 03:51 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
Fareed Zakaria on Bernie Sander's magical thinking on climate:
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Fareed is right to call out Sanders on this. We can look at other countries and see who has and who hasn't been successful at reducing carbon emissions. Germany has invested a huge amount in renewables but they've basically hit a brick wall. in 2016, they installed 4% more name plate capcity solar energy but solar contributed 3% less energy than the prior year. They installed 11% more wind power but received 2% less electricity from wind. What would happen if they doubled their name plate capcity of renewable energy? very little at this point. The US isn't anywhere close to this brick wall yet but we will be eventually if we go down the same road. Fareed makes the point that our swith from coal/oil to natural gas is the biggest factor in our reduction of CO2 emissions. Solar energy accounted for 3% of our reduction of CO2 emissions. Sanders plan is magical thinking.

Magical thinking is not at all involved in this case. If you want to see magical thinking in this context, you will have to go to Trump's claims that windmills cause cancer.
Fareed Zakaria is an idiot. He might reasonably have claimed that Bernie Sanders' plans were unrealistic, but the major problem with that claim is that he compares them with a situation where the current administration is doing its utmost to repress investments in wind and solar power.

In Denmark we have much more wind power than sun power! Here are the numbers: Wind power in Denmark (Wikipedia - because Baylor hates it!)
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Old Today, 04:08 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Childless Europeans do the same thing. Why do you think the US looks so third worldy....

hint..hint...
Yes, I can see how childless Europeans would be amused by Americans equating their own country with the third world. Europeans with children also.

I have not said I think the US looks “so third worldly”. That was your comparison.

What is “hint.. hint...”?
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