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Old 14th February 2020, 01:28 AM   #2161
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
It suggests many of his followers are religious. You will find far fewer such comments on Labor party pages.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:30 AM   #2162
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics? It seems to impact on all other aspects of his life.

We are in politics, not science so I can ask you conjecture upon (not prove) a negative.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:39 AM   #2163
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics?
I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.
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Old 14th February 2020, 02:53 AM   #2164
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
And we're pretty happy about that - some of the deportees have lived in Australia since weeks after birth.
I can't get over the irony of Australia transporting criminals to another country.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:13 PM   #2165
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
I can't get over the irony of Australia transporting criminals to another country.
A few comedians have worked it into their acts, but that's about as far as it gets.

I have no problem with deporting criminals who arrived in Australia as even teenagers, but deporting people who have lived there since before they could walk or talk is asinine, to say the least.

First off, there's a pretty strong argument that growing up in Aussie (often while being brown) turned them into petty criminals, who then learned to become hardened criminals inside Australia's justice system.

Then there's the fact that their spouses, children & parents are often resident in Australia, thereby adding to their time-served punishment. (Not that all of them have been time-served, either. Some deportees have been deported on suspicion rather than evidence.)
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:38 PM   #2166
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
A few comedians have worked it into their acts, but that's about as far as it gets.

I have no problem with deporting criminals who arrived in Australia as even teenagers, but deporting people who have lived there since before they could walk or talk is asinine, to say the least.

First off, there's a pretty strong argument that growing up in Aussie (often while being brown) turned them into petty criminals, who then learned to become hardened criminals inside Australia's justice system.

Then there's the fact that their spouses, children & parents are often resident in Australia, thereby adding to their time-served punishment. (Not that all of them have been time-served, either. Some deportees have been deported on suspicion rather than evidence.)
I just wonder how soon before other countries deport people born in Australia back to Australia.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:40 PM   #2167
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
If you look on his facebook page many of the comments on what he has written have religious references.
Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
It suggests many of his followers are religious. You will find far fewer such comments on Labor party pages.
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What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics? It seems to impact on all other aspects of his life.

We are in politics, not science so I can ask you conjecture upon (not prove) a negative.

Why is psion so convinced that Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief? ......... Beats me.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:43 PM   #2168
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Why is psion so convinced that Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief? ......... Beats me.
You missed my response to lionking. I guess it would have ruined your narrative if you had included it.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
You missed my response to lionking. I guess it would have ruined your narrative if you had included it.

Oh you mean the following:

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I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.

Really can't see how this impacts on on what I said. Put it down to my limited ability to comprehend what you are trying to say I suppose. My fault entirely of course. I, and those others here who who have this inability crave enlightenment from your good self.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Really can't see how this impacts on on what I said. Put it down to my limited ability to comprehend what you are trying to say I suppose. My fault entirely of course. I, and those others here who who have this inability crave enlightenment from your good self.
It shows that contrary to what you claim, I haven't argued that "Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief" and that is why omitted it from your list.

I put it down to your inability to have an honest discussion. Pretending that you don't understand somebody so that you can label their argument as nonsense is the oldest trick in the book and I am not falling for it.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.
Name a nonreligious conservative politician.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Name a nonreligious conservative politician.
Why don't you just publicize the results of your Vulcan mind melds with all of the conservative politicians instead?
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Der Fuhrer will be pleased: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51526607
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Why don't you just publicize the results of your Vulcan mind melds with all of the conservative politicians instead?
The only person claiming that I know how any politician thinks is you. I have repeatedly - over and over - stated that I don't know whether Morrison believes in prosperity gospel, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. You're the one suggesting that I know.

Anyway, my point is that conservative politicians are religious. There's no such thing as a nonreligious conservative politician. Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Anyway, my point is that conservative politicians are religious. There's no such thing as a nonreligious conservative politician. Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong.
i don't have to provide any evidence to counter something that you have clearly made up on the spot.

I could just as easily challenge you to disprove that all non-conservative politicians are Communists.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
i don't have to provide any evidence to counter something that you have clearly made up on the spot.

I could just as easily challenge you to disprove that all non-conservative politicians are Communists.
All you have to do is provide the name of one conservative politician who is openly nonreligious. Can you do that?

I suggest that you can't. Because there are no nonreligious conservative politicians. Conservative values are religious values.
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All you have to do is provide the name of one conservative politician who is openly nonreligious. Can you do that?

I suggest that you can't. Because there are no nonreligious conservative politicians. Conservative values are religious values.
I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
You're the one saying that Morrison's actions are comparable to both religious and nonreligious conservatives. Until you can provide some examples of nonreligious conservatives, that comparison has no value.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
I love that you started all this.
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