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Old 14th February 2020, 01:28 AM   #2161
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
It suggests many of his followers are religious. You will find far fewer such comments on Labor party pages.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:30 AM   #2162
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics? It seems to impact on all other aspects of his life.

We are in politics, not science so I can ask you conjecture upon (not prove) a negative.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:39 AM   #2163
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics?
I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.
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Old 14th February 2020, 02:53 AM   #2164
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
And we're pretty happy about that - some of the deportees have lived in Australia since weeks after birth.
I can't get over the irony of Australia transporting criminals to another country.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:13 PM   #2165
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
I can't get over the irony of Australia transporting criminals to another country.
A few comedians have worked it into their acts, but that's about as far as it gets.

I have no problem with deporting criminals who arrived in Australia as even teenagers, but deporting people who have lived there since before they could walk or talk is asinine, to say the least.

First off, there's a pretty strong argument that growing up in Aussie (often while being brown) turned them into petty criminals, who then learned to become hardened criminals inside Australia's justice system.

Then there's the fact that their spouses, children & parents are often resident in Australia, thereby adding to their time-served punishment. (Not that all of them have been time-served, either. Some deportees have been deported on suspicion rather than evidence.)
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:38 PM   #2166
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
A few comedians have worked it into their acts, but that's about as far as it gets.

I have no problem with deporting criminals who arrived in Australia as even teenagers, but deporting people who have lived there since before they could walk or talk is asinine, to say the least.

First off, there's a pretty strong argument that growing up in Aussie (often while being brown) turned them into petty criminals, who then learned to become hardened criminals inside Australia's justice system.

Then there's the fact that their spouses, children & parents are often resident in Australia, thereby adding to their time-served punishment. (Not that all of them have been time-served, either. Some deportees have been deported on suspicion rather than evidence.)
I just wonder how soon before other countries deport people born in Australia back to Australia.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:40 PM   #2167
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
If you look on his facebook page many of the comments on what he has written have religious references.
Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What does that prove? That he's NOT a "politician first"?
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It suggests many of his followers are religious. You will find far fewer such comments on Labor party pages.
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What makes you so certain his religion has no impact on his politics? It seems to impact on all other aspects of his life.

We are in politics, not science so I can ask you conjecture upon (not prove) a negative.

Why is psion so convinced that Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief? ......... Beats me.
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Old 14th February 2020, 01:43 PM   #2168
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Why is psion so convinced that Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief? ......... Beats me.
You missed my response to lionking. I guess it would have ruined your narrative if you had included it.
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Old 15th February 2020, 09:22 PM   #2169
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
You missed my response to lionking. I guess it would have ruined your narrative if you had included it.

Oh you mean the following:

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I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.

Really can't see how this impacts on on what I said. Put it down to my limited ability to comprehend what you are trying to say I suppose. My fault entirely of course. I, and those others here who who have this inability crave enlightenment from your good self.
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Old 15th February 2020, 10:05 PM   #2170
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Really can't see how this impacts on on what I said. Put it down to my limited ability to comprehend what you are trying to say I suppose. My fault entirely of course. I, and those others here who who have this inability crave enlightenment from your good self.
It shows that contrary to what you claim, I haven't argued that "Morrison is motivated by anything but religious belief" and that is why omitted it from your list.

I put it down to your inability to have an honest discussion. Pretending that you don't understand somebody so that you can label their argument as nonsense is the oldest trick in the book and I am not falling for it.
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I don't know about "no" impact but he is clearly a hypocrite. His actions as a conservative politician are totally consistent with those of other conservative politicians - religious or not.
Name a nonreligious conservative politician.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Name a nonreligious conservative politician.
Why don't you just publicize the results of your Vulcan mind melds with all of the conservative politicians instead?
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Der Fuhrer will be pleased: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51526607
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Why don't you just publicize the results of your Vulcan mind melds with all of the conservative politicians instead?
The only person claiming that I know how any politician thinks is you. I have repeatedly - over and over - stated that I don't know whether Morrison believes in prosperity gospel, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. You're the one suggesting that I know.

Anyway, my point is that conservative politicians are religious. There's no such thing as a nonreligious conservative politician. Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong.
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Anyway, my point is that conservative politicians are religious. There's no such thing as a nonreligious conservative politician. Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong.
i don't have to provide any evidence to counter something that you have clearly made up on the spot.

I could just as easily challenge you to disprove that all non-conservative politicians are Communists.
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i don't have to provide any evidence to counter something that you have clearly made up on the spot.

I could just as easily challenge you to disprove that all non-conservative politicians are Communists.
All you have to do is provide the name of one conservative politician who is openly nonreligious. Can you do that?

I suggest that you can't. Because there are no nonreligious conservative politicians. Conservative values are religious values.
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All you have to do is provide the name of one conservative politician who is openly nonreligious. Can you do that?

I suggest that you can't. Because there are no nonreligious conservative politicians. Conservative values are religious values.
I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
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I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
You're the one saying that Morrison's actions are comparable to both religious and nonreligious conservatives. Until you can provide some examples of nonreligious conservatives, that comparison has no value.
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I refuse to get sucked into your time wasting maneuver. Your claim, your burden.
I love that you started all this.
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You're the one saying that Morrison's actions are comparable to both religious and nonreligious conservatives. Until you can provide some examples of nonreligious conservatives, that comparison has no value.
Your lucdicrous claim that ALL conservative politicians are religious is not only an obviously made up "fact" but it gives lie to your claim that Scumo's religion is especially note worthy.
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I love that you started all this.
Welcome to the thread. It seems that you have some catching up to do.
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Your lucdicrous claim that ALL conservative politicians are religious is not only an obviously made up "fact" but it gives lie to your claim that Scumo's religion is especially note worthy.
As I have patiently explained, with plenty of supporting external evidence, Pentecostalism isn't the same as Catholicism or Anglicanism, which are the religions of most politicians, conservative or otherwise. It's the specific beliefs of the Pentecostal church in particular that makes his religion particularly noteworthy.

And yes, I have not checked the religious status of every conservative politician to see if there are any nonreligious ones. I think that if there were one, I would already know about it. So I'm making a bold suggestion here. If you know differently, I would love for you to refute my claim. I would love for anyone to refute my claim. I'm throwing this open. Can anyone name a nonreligious conservative politician? Anyone? It doesn't even have to be an Australian politician.

Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong if you can.
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As I have patiently explained, with plenty of supporting external evidence, Pentecostalism isn't the same as Catholicism or Anglicanism, which are the religions of most politicians, conservative or otherwise. It's the specific beliefs of the Pentecostal church in particular that makes his religion particularly noteworthy.
So why make up the fact that all conservative politicians are religious if it bears no relation to "Scumo's Pentecostalism makes all the difference in the world but is is only a possible factor"?
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Can anyone name a nonreligious conservative politician? Anyone? It doesn't even have to be an Australian politician.
Boris Johnson

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...Christian.html
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Welcome to the thread. It seems that you have some catching up to do.
I haven’t but don’t let me interrupt.
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I haven’t but don’t let me interrupt.
The why did you state something that is so blatantly false?
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The why did you state something that is so blatantly false?
That is an odd question.
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That is an odd question.
I wouldn't have thought you were so dishonest.

You know that this stupid religious nonsense was started by others before the ScuMo thread was even started.
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I wouldn't have thought you were so dishonest.

You know that this stupid religious nonsense was started by others before the ScuMo thread was even started.
You must love it or you wouldn’t have started it all up again like you did.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Welcome to the thread. It seems that you have some catching up to do.
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I haven’t but don’t let me interrupt.
Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
The why did you state something that is so blatantly false?

Huh? Darned if I can see what it is that you have stated is so blatantly false, but there again perhaps it is the imperfect perception and comprehension I, (perhaps Sideroxylon also) am afflicted with.
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As I have patiently explained, with plenty of supporting external evidence, Pentecostalism isn't the same as Catholicism or Anglicanism, which are the religions of most politicians, conservative or otherwise. It's the specific beliefs of the Pentecostal church in particular that makes his religion particularly noteworthy.

And yes, I have not checked the religious status of every conservative politician to see if there are any nonreligious ones. I think that if there were one, I would already know about it. So I'm making a bold suggestion here. If you know differently, I would love for you to refute my claim. I would love for anyone to refute my claim. I'm throwing this open. Can anyone name a nonreligious conservative politician? Anyone? It doesn't even have to be an Australian politician.

Conservative values are religious values. Prove me wrong if you can.

I tend to agree with you here, but as many politicians do not broadcast their religious beliefs, it is hard to nail down. I think if Soot Morrison was a politician in the USA, we would be hearing lots of religiously inspired gems of wisdom. As Australians don't go for this kind of crap Soot has restrained himself. His readiness to allow himself to be photographed in religious ritual is notable however.
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Paywall damn it.

I did glimpse however, what seemed to be just a downplaying of his religious observance, rather than denial of religious belief. Boris I think, superimposes himself in the god spot possibly, so Christianity is hard pressed to get much of a look in.
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Paywalled, or rather infested with a popup insisting that I sign up for a trial (ie, a spam harvester) before reading, but thanks. From what I was able to read, he seems to me more like a non-practising Christian rather than actually nonreligious.

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Peter Dutton caught lying yet again:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...arged/11971454


The lengths these conservative climate change denying wankers will go too is extraordinary.
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From what I was able to read, he seems to me more like a non-practising Christian rather than actually nonreligious.
Pretty fine line - he doesn't go to church, takes no heed of religion or the bible and doesn't follow any doctrine. He's basically an agnostic, although being a Tory, I doubt he'd admit to that.

After all, Queenie is still:

A - his boss
B - head of the CoE
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:21 PM   #2196
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Peter Dutton caught lying yet again:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...arged/11971454


The lengths these conservative climate change denying wankers will go too is extraordinary.
He is right. It was arson. God was the arsonist. It says lightening started the fires. And God controls lightning.
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:53 PM   #2197
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
He is right. It was arson. God was the arsonist. It says lightening started the fires. And God controls lightning.
Pfft. Everyone knows that Zeus controls lightning.
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I love that you started all this.
It doesn't quite have the same ring as 'this thread has been Bobbed' to say 'this thread has been Psioned' although the end result is identical...
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Old 21st February 2020, 02:47 PM   #2199
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
He is right. It was arson. God was the arsonist. It says lightening started the fires. And God controls lightning.
Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Pfft. Everyone knows that Zeus controls lightning.

Pfft yourself. My old man Thor 1 would disagree with this.
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Pfft. so typical of bleevers. "mine is the one tru god, blahdy, blahdy blah"

http://godfinder.org/index.html?q=lightning

Typically misogynistic too.
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