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Old 30th December 2019, 04:02 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
A friend of mine was standing on his roof, in Kambah, putting out spot fires, when that tornado turned up.



He saved his home, but was utterly terrified, and felt that he only just left the roof in time. The heat was so intense it killed most of his bonsai trees, some of which were incredibly old, but his home was missed by the tornado.



To this day, I remain in awe of his bravery.
I would guess that if he then what he knows now he wouldn't have been that brave.
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Old 30th December 2019, 04:05 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
That's a sign of how desperate the koalas are. It's not a nice thing to happen. It means they are on the edge of survival.
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A ten ton fire truck was lifted off the ground by a fire tornado, killing one and injuring two.
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Old 30th December 2019, 04:30 PM   #124
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What on earth?

https://twitter.com/callapilla/statu...38201162780672

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In Mallacoota, locals told to get under the water Don Ashby just spoke to ABC Gippsland. CFA told the people in the town - about 4000 of them standing on the foreshore - that when the trucks activated their sirens, the townsfolk should get under the water.

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Old 30th December 2019, 04:41 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
What on earth?
Yeah, I've seen that on the news before.
(People sheltering in the ocean during a bushfire).

If you're stuck on the coast (surrounded by fires) getting into the water is your last hope of survival.

Being in the water stops you from being burned by the radiant heat I suppose.

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I've just done a quick bit of reading, and it is not a recommended practice to shelter in rivers and dams, because the surrounding air quality is so poor.

(Now I'm wondering if people are killed by fires consuming the available oxygen too.)
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The ABC live website is showing pictures of the main street of Cobargo on fire.

(Near Bega, NSW)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...-blog/11833630
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
I've just done a quick bit of reading, and it is not a recommended practice to shelter in rivers and dams, because the surrounding air quality is so poor.

(Now I'm wondering if people are killed by fires consuming the available oxygen too.)
If the fire is on both sides of a fairly narrow waterway there could be a real problem. Also a body of water that becomes deep quickly where you cannot get far from the fire.

Ocean may be different with fire only on one side, a beach, and perhaps the ability to wade a fair distance into the water.
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Old 30th December 2019, 05:03 PM   #129
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Yeah, I've seen that on the news before.
(People sheltering in the ocean during a bushfire).

If you're stuck on the coast (surrounded by fires) getting into the water is your last hope of survival.

Being in the water stops you from being burned by the radiant heat I suppose.

I saw a documentary about the Berkeley Hills (California) fire. One woman was too late to evacuate, and a firefighter got her and himself into her pool with the plastic tarp over them. When they got out of the pool, everything around them was burned to the ground. You do what you gotta do in a situation like that.
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Yes.

It's also possible to rescue/evacuate people from the water via boats and helicopters.

Such a nightmare.
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The smoke in Canberra last night and this morning were very bad. Worst it has ever been.

News https://www.theguardian.com/environm...bushfires-rage.

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Air quality index readings in Canberra city were at 3,463 on Wednesday afternoon, according to the ACT Health website. Ratings of more than 200 are considered hazardous. The suburb of Monash showed levels at 4,650 and Florey was at 3,508.
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Old 1st January 2020, 05:36 AM   #133
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Heavy smoke from Australian fires.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lian-bushfires

In New Zealand.
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Old 1st January 2020, 06:38 AM   #134
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Why oh why did 'up to 30,000' people, including many tourists, refuse to evacuate when warned they should last Sunday? Whilst this might not be the time and place, should not all those needing rescuing by the military be made to contribute to costs, as a result of their obstreporous behaviour putting themselves and others at risk?

Already a few volunteer firefighters have died bringing the known mortality roll to eighteen.

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"We've got reports of injuries and burn injuries to members of the public," said New South Wales rural fire commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons.

"We haven't been able to get access via roads or via aircraft - it's been socked in [runways have been closed] or too dangerous."
What is it about people they do not take expert opinion seriously? We see this in hurricane warnings. There are always a few hundred dolts who refuse to evacuate.
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Far out man

Just heard on the news up to 30% of Koalas in NSW may have died due to the fires.
Oh no, not sweet ickle lickle koala bears...
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Oh no, not sweet ickle lickle koala bears...
Yeah, sweet ickle lickle koalas (not bears) that were potentially facing extinction in the state of NSW within 20 odd years and now potentially pushed to the brink of extinction as more that 30% of the population may have just been wiped out.

I don't understand why anyone would sneer at people being concerned for the vast numbers of wildlife that are being killed by these bushfires.

I guess we can rest easier now that there may be 100s of species that were never discovered that we now won't miss.
Ickle Lickle or not....
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Heavy smoke from Australian fires.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lian-bushfires

In New Zealand.
Yup, we're getting orange sunlight here, in the middle of the day, it's kind of surreal. I can't imagine what it is like for people in NSW.
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Yup, we're getting orange sunlight here, in the middle of the day, it's kind of surreal. I can't imagine what it is like for people in NSW.
It was like sticking your head into the fumes coming out of a backyard incinerator. Permanently.
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Renowned climate scientist Michael Mann has been on a sabbatical here.

Australia, your country is burning – dangerous climate change is here with you now

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y_to_clipboard
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Oh no, not sweet ickle lickle koala bears...
Apologies for my obvious dimness, but do you mind expanding on the point of this post?
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Apologies for my obvious dimness, but do you mind expanding on the point of this post?
They're such cute little animals. What would you like me to expand on? (Yes, I know they are marsupials.)
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They're such cute little animals. What would you like me to expand on? (Yes, I know they are marsupials.)
I'm curious to know why you made the comment in baby talk, which seems to ridicule the concern.
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I'm curious to know why you made the comment in baby talk, which seems to ridicule the concern.
What? I think you are imagining things.
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What? I think you are imagining things.
So the intent was not to ridicule. Thank you.
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So the intent was not to ridicule. Thank you.
Hello? I am a great animal lover.
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Hello? I am a great animal lover.
I'm glad to hear it.
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I'm glad to hear it.
Why would you ascribe horrible motives to people at all?
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Why would you ascribe horrible motives to people at all?
I didn't. I asked why you used baby talk which appeared, not just to me, to be sarcastic. You did not intend it sarcastically, so there is no problem.
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I didn't. I asked why you used baby talk which appeared, not just to me, to be sarcastic. You did not intend it sarcastically, so there is no problem.

What do you mean by this? Why would you think talking about fluffy wuffy koala bears is a sign of mal-intent? Why would you speak on behalf of someone who deliberately tried to twist my words?
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Yeah, sweet ickle lickle koalas (not bears) that were potentially facing extinction in the state of NSW within 20 odd years and now potentially pushed to the brink of extinction as more that 30% of the population may have just been wiped out.

I don't understand why anyone would sneer at people being concerned for the vast numbers of wildlife that are being killed by these bushfires.

I guess we can rest easier now that there may be 100s of species that were never discovered that we now won't miss.
Ickle Lickle or not....
All in your mind. Or perhaps you can point out where anybody did what you claimed.
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All in your mind. Or perhaps you can point out where anybody did what you claimed.
No. I don't think this needs to be prolonged. It's not relevant to the thread, which is partly my fault, you corrected me, I accepted your correction.
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No. I don't think this needs to be prolonged. It's not relevant to the thread, which is partly my fault, you corrected me, I accepted your correction.
OK. I was quite peeved.
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OK. I was quite peeved.
I think the koalas are slightly more peeved but feel free to obviously take the **** on a serious thread.

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Morrison sounds a bit of a goner. Not sure what he was supposed to do tbf.
Maybe not show tone-deaf disregard and go on vacation when the country is in peril, when so many people are suffering, when everyone who can is volunteering to help, including ignoring their own vacations?
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Maybe not show tone-deaf disregard and go on vacation when the country is in peril, when so many people are suffering, when everyone who can is volunteering to help, including ignoring their own vacations?
Take inspiration from John Howard. During his first term he did gun control. Morrison could do climate change. Who would oppose him?
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Take inspiration from John Howard. During his first term he did gun control. Morrison could do climate change. Who would oppose him?
The entire Liberal Coalition ?
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The entire Liberal Coalition ?
No. There is a significant number of people in the coalition who want climate change dealt with effectively. They have never had the numbers against the deniers, though.
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I don't know if we can take much more of this.
I'm in Melbourne currently and dread the thought of going back to current hell hole that is Canberra. Over 40C but I can't put the air-conditioning on.
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BBC: Australia fires: Angry residents berate PM Morrison in blaze-ravaged town
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Mr Morrison was approached as he visited Cobargo, near the coast in southern NSW.

"How come we only had four trucks to defend our town? Because our town doesn't have a lot of money but we have hearts of gold, prime minister," one woman called out.

Others joined in as Mr Morrison turned away, calling him "an idiot" and saying he was not welcome.

"You won't be getting any votes down here, buddy. No Liberal [party] votes - you're out, son," heckled one man.

"What about the people who are dead, prime minister? What about the people who have nowhere to live?" the woman asked Mr Morrison as he was ushered away. ...
...in his limo apparently.

More tone-deafness:
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NSW's premier has declared a week-long state of emergency in response to the escalating bushfire threat.
A week-long? seriously?
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