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Old 6th January 2020, 05:23 AM   #481
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I was assuming people mean things like introducing bed bugs to his hotels...

But folk do need to remember that he would not know if his businesses were being financially hit, he has assured us as.long as he is President he'll have nothing to do with his businesses.
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Old 6th January 2020, 05:39 AM   #482
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Are we living in the same country, talking about the same person? Trump's supporters absolutely will rally around him if and because he was personally attacked. It is quite literally a personality cult. By now everybody should have no doubt about this.



It is not nearly a majority, but in fairness he has a firm enough grip on mental health to be able to accurately predict that the totality of his supporters and fans will do what he tells them to do because he has told them to do it. When he goes to a rally, those people cheer at literally every single thing he says, and jeer at literally every single target he picks. When he makes fun of disabled people, they too laugh at the disabled person he has mocked. When he says Democrats want to abort babies even after they've already been born, they accept it as unassailable fact and express outrage. When he stands up in front of a conservative Jewish coalition and directly, explicitly tells the people gathered that he doesn't like them and thinks they're horrible people, but they're going to have to vote for him anyway as they have no choice because they're greedy and wouldn't want Democrats raising their taxes again, they stand and cheer enthusiastically for him. When he tells them he intends to be president for longer than two terms, they clamor for the imprisonment of anyone who would object. And when he wanders into one of his word-salad nonsense-mumbles, they cheer harder and louder than at any other time.
I know his followers would support him in those circumstances, I was pointing out that the majority of Americans do not support him and he has no idea how to understand those people.

And apparently, there is a line beyond which some of his followers will not support him. In Michigan, he implied that the late Rep. John Dingle (D- Mich) was looking up from hell as he observed America. The taunt fell flat and sounds of disapproval were heard. The president back-pedaled and said that the congressman was looking down from Heaven.
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Old 6th January 2020, 05:51 AM   #483
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I'll put money on Trump properties being attacked. I'll also put money on US troops guarding Trump properties and staying in whilst they guard them.
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I hope Iran is that smart, treating Trump as a rogue. Making it about Trump and not about the US would do a lot to weaken Trump's ability to retaliate.
How would attacking a Trump property (for example the DC Hotel ) and killing innocent people who have nothing to do with President Trump make it about him.

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Old 6th January 2020, 05:59 AM   #484
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Hoping bad things to happen to people to either hurt Trump or finally "show how bad Trump is" is psychopathic nonsense.

We should still want the best possible outcome for this scenario.

"I don't want this to go as bad as possible just to show how bad Trump has made things" isn't something we should be cheering on. And it has nothing to do with defending Trump but everything to do with our own humanity.
There are probably people on this board and in Congress who are actually hoping for some sort of retaliation for this very reason.
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Old 6th January 2020, 06:01 AM   #485
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If Iran really wants to strike at the heart of America, the most effective way would be to attack Chick-fil-As and Waffle Houses.

I'm not joking this time. I've long thought that blowing up big government and business targets is not the way to get mainstream America's attention. If terrorists went after small cities and towns, then people would be afraid that they would be next. Attacking NYC and DC angers them, but it doesn't make them personally afraid.
They don't need to target these down home locations. Our homegrown mass killers are taking care of those.
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Old 6th January 2020, 06:10 AM   #486
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Don't forget Hobby Lobby.
I thought of Hobby Lobby too. But that would destroy my favorite Thai restaurant in the same strip mall.
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Old 6th January 2020, 06:12 AM   #487
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...Yes, in fact. Trump's been flagrantly violating Twitters terms of service for his entire Presidency. And they know it.

IIRC, they directly and specifically said that Twitter was gaining lots and lots and lots of traffic specifically because of him, so they were in a bit of a dilemma. A dilemma that they've apparently decided to go with the option of not enforcing the rules when it comes to him.

In this case, I think allowing Trump to break all the rules without being banned is a public service.

Even now, with all his crazy tweets being publicly available to anyone who wants to see them, we still have millions of Americans who can't see how bad he is, or at least, won't admit they can see that. Imagine how bad things would be if all we had were rumors about all the crazy things he's been saying.
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Old 6th January 2020, 06:46 AM   #488
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In Michigan, he implied that the late Rep. John Dingle (D- Mich) was looking up from hell as he observed America. The taunt fell flat and sounds of disapproval were heard. The president back-pedaled and said that the congressman was looking down from Heaven.


I don't think that's accurate. The majority of people there sounded rather amused by it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNgz26HKZhc
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Old 6th January 2020, 07:43 AM   #489
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" 'Trump money' is what we call it," Henry said. "It helped a lot. And it's my understanding, they're going to do it again."
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Old 6th January 2020, 08:00 AM   #490
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“The reason they are not sending the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate is that they are so weak and so pathetic.” @LindseyGrahamSC @MariaBartiromo
The great Scam continues. To be spending time on this political Hoax at this moment in our history, when I am so busy, is sad!
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Old 6th January 2020, 08:01 AM   #491
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The Impeachment Hoax, just a continuation of the Witch Hunt which started even before I won the Election, must end quickly. Read the Transcripts, see the Ukrainian President’s strong statement, NO PRESSURE - get this done. It is a con game by the Dems to help with the Election!

Congress & the President should not be wasting their time and energy on a continuation of the totally partisan Impeachment Hoax when we have so many important matters pending. 196 to ZERO was the Republican House vote, & we got 3 Dems. This was not what the Founders had in mind!
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Old 6th January 2020, 09:23 AM   #492
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What do they say about you being your own worse enemy.....

Impeachment had fallen from the front pages, so he brings it back.
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Old 6th January 2020, 10:03 AM   #493
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What do they say about you being your own worse enemy.....

Impeachment had fallen from the front pages, so he brings it back.
Well, it obviously worries him a great deal.

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Defense secretary's chief of staff tenders resignation

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1909746

Is this normal?
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Old 6th January 2020, 11:56 AM   #495
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I doubt anyone can buy insurance against acts of war, including terrorism.
You can buy property insurance that covers terrorism:
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Old 6th January 2020, 12:38 PM   #496
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What do they say about you being your own worse enemy.....
Impeachment had fallen from the front pages, so he brings it back.
Maybe he realizes the whole "lets get the U.S. into another shooting war" may not go as well as he planned, so he wants to de-emphasize it.
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Old 6th January 2020, 12:40 PM   #497
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Maybe he realizes the whole "lets get the U.S. into another shooting war" may not go as well as he planned, so he wants to de-emphasize it.
I don't think Trump wants drama that he can't control. Again it's the whole "Gish Gallop" thing.

It's pretty hard to distract from a full on war. If he starts a war and public opinion turns on him he can't just pull his pants down and take a dump on the Constitution or make a racist statement against the Dutch or whatever to distract us from it as his been his want so far.
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They'll release venomous spiders into Trump properties, maybe getting as far as the hotel lobby.

Perfect passive attack.
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Old 6th January 2020, 02:07 PM   #499
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I don't think Trump wants drama that he can't control. Again it's the whole "Gish Gallop" thing.

It's pretty hard to distract from a full on war. If he starts a war and public opinion turns on him he can't just pull his pants down and take a dump on the Constitution or make a racist statement against the Dutch or whatever to distract us from it as his been his want so far.
Don't think it is as elaborate or thought out as that!

He simply has no self control, somebody on the telly will have mentioned impeachment so he reacts.
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Old 6th January 2020, 02:19 PM   #500
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If I were Iran I would not attack Trump properties. Well, not attack them with the intent to kill anyone. I’d just blow up Trump’s name on the top of the building. That would drive Trump bonkers and without any loss of life, it would be hard for him to garner support for killing folks in Iran.

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Hell you wouldn’t even have to blow it up. Just deface the sign with his name on it.
Not a big enough pain for Trump.
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I don't think so. He must know people people will not rally around him because he was personally attacked. Or he doesn't want to risk finding out.
I need to clarify this. I was not talking about Trump's base. I meant people as in the county that would get behind him if he starts a war.

IOW attacking Trump personally is not something that would outrage the country like say, killing 3,000 Americans might be.
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I don't know if "People would be blase about an attack on the President" is really where we are at, Trump or no Trump.

As Simon Gruber told John McCane "There's a difference between not liking your brother and not caring when some Irish flatfoot throws him off a skyscraper."
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Want to bet he'd get federal aid to cover his suddenly 110% occupancy rate in his hotels? ....
I suppose there are some ways he could declare it to come out of the military or FEMA budgets. But this could never get by the House and this is an election year, not sure GOP legislators would vote for it.
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I wonder if anyone could argue that the 3rd Amendment works both ways.
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Considering what the target of a retaliation might be in no way suggests that one is condoning said retaliation.
My point is for Iran to attack Trump, the source of the matter, and not the country.
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I was assuming people mean things like introducing bed bugs to his hotels...

But folk do need to remember that he would not know if his businesses were being financially hit, he has assured us as.long as he is President he'll have nothing to do with his businesses.
He would if the reports got news coverage.
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How would attacking a Trump property (for example the DC Hotel ) and killing innocent people who have nothing to do with President Trump make it about him.
Seriously, you need it explained how an attack on Trump vs an attack on the USA would send different messages?

But I favor the beg-bug option.
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No ****, just like the deficit not mattering either. From the article:
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For one thing, it's an enormous amount of money, more than the final cost of bailing out the auto industry during the financial crisis of 2008. The auto industry bailout was fiercely debated in Congress. Yet the USDA created this new program out of thin air; it decided that an old law authorizing a USDA program called the Commodity Credit Corp. already gave it the authority to spend this money.
Buying votes outright.
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Don't think it is as elaborate or thought out as that!

He simply has no self control, somebody on the telly will have mentioned impeachment so he reacts.
That ^
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I don't know if "People would be blase about an attack on the President" is really where we are at, Trump or no Trump.

As Simon Gruber told John McCane "There's a difference between not liking your brother and not caring when some Irish flatfoot throws him off a skyscraper."
Think about it Joe, would it outrage you if a bunch of Trump properties in foreign countries were attacked?

You might not like it, but would you be outraged? I sure as hell wouldn't be.

Mind you I still favor a non-violent attack like bed-bugs.
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The homeless situation in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and many other Democrat Party run cities throughout the Nation is a state and local problem, not a federal problem....

....If however, the city or state in question is willing to acknowledge responsibility, and politely asks for help from the Federal Government, we will very seriously consider getting involved in order to make those poorly run Democrat Cities Great Again!
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The homeless situation in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and many other Democrat Party run cities throughout the Nation is a state and local problem, not a federal problem....

....If however, the city or state in question is willing to acknowledge responsibility, and politely asks for help from the Federal Government, we will very seriously consider getting involved in order to make those poorly run Democrat Cities Great Again!
This is at least the 2nd time he as said the Fed would help if 'asked politely.'

If he has help to offer he is evil for withholding it, asked or not.

Of course, his low morals are not news.
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The homeless situation in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and many other Democrat Party run cities throughout the Nation is a state and local problem, not a federal problem....

....If however, the city or state in question is willing to acknowledge responsibility, and politely asks for help from the Federal Government, we will very seriously consider getting involved in order to make those poorly run Democrat Cities Great Again!
An offer of help from a guy who crashed casinos and went bankrupt multiple times is NOT a serious offer worthy of anyone's consideration.
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This is at least the 2nd time he as said the Fed would help if 'asked politely.'

If he has help to offer he is evil for withholding it, asked or not.

Of course, his low morals are not news.
Seems to be becoming a habit.
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Are we living in the same country, talking about the same person? Trump's supporters absolutely will rally around him if and because he was personally attacked. It is quite literally a personality cult. By now everybody should have no doubt about this.
Yep. Trump would win an Oscar playing the role of unjustifiably attacked martyr and his adoring crowds would up the decibels accordingly.

What ever the outcome, I don't want him to fill that role. And, yes, I know, that is probably wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I think the following is a more important bite:
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"They've already given out $19 billion to farmers, but they're cutting $5 billion from people in need," says Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, who sits on the House Agriculture Committee. "I don't even know how to describe it except to say that it is cruel, it is unfair, and it is clearly designed to support the president's base, as he sees it, as opposed to those whom he sees as being undeserving."
Just SOP for Trump.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

The homeless situation in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and many other Democrat Party run cities throughout the Nation is a state and local problem, not a federal problem....

....If however, the city or state in question is willing to acknowledge responsibility, and politely asks for help from the Federal Government, we will very seriously consider getting involved in order to make those poorly run Democrat Cities Great Again!
I smell a bait-and-switch. I hope the Dems just ignore this line of tweets.
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Originally Posted by The Greater Fool View Post
This is at least the 2nd time he as said the Fed would help if 'asked politely.'

If he has help to offer he is evil for withholding it, asked or not.

Of course, his low morals are not news.
They haven’t already asked the federal government for help? Repeatedly? Through official channels through their representatives, senators, governors, and mayors? It was it polite?

What he wants is to have his opponents to kiss his ass, like his spineless supporters.
What a evil little lying barbaric toad!

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Originally Posted by DallasDad View Post
I want Trump out of office -- and preferably in prison. But what have we come to when we gleefully suggest that a foreign power should target our president or his properties?
If we are to believe the Daily Mail, for once, Iran is, in fact, targeting Trump properties as part of the response. And has put a bounty of around 80 million on Trump's head.

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How would attacking a Trump property (for example the DC Hotel ) and killing innocent people who have nothing to do with President Trump make it about him.
If it was specifically done in response to his actions, how would he not be a central figure in it?

Also, for the "fun" of it...

Pompeo, Awaiting the Rapture, Pushed Trump to Strike Iranian General Soleimani

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The Washington Post has reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was the main force that pushed Trump into assassinating Iranian Major General Soleimani. Pompeo, according to a New York Times reporter, had a fixation with a bible passage about Queen Esther protecting Israel from Iran. Pompeo’s extreme hostility towards Iran is motivated by his extreme religious beliefs.
Meh.
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Move from the bushfire thread where it didn't belong.

Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
He [Morrison] absolutely can, but it would be political suicide for the Liberal Party to do so. They're already on the brink of losing the next election - yet another spill could push them over.
Same bind as us, no one will stand up if it means their cushy job.

I'm watching a McCarthy special on PBS' American Experience. Wow! Talk about history repeating itself. The Republican legislators wouldn't stand up to McCarthy because they were afraid of losing their elections.


Edgar R Murrow: "The fault is in ourselves."

Eisenhower stood up to support the Army which had become a McCarthy target.

Roy Cohn stood behind McCarthy insisting the Army be investigated.

[sidebar] Sadly Welch used an attack on homosexuals to attack McCarthy. [/sidebar]

McCarthy got drunk during the hearings. Damn I want to see that whole hearing. Off to my search engine I go.....
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