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Old 11th February 2020, 08:47 AM   #2641
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Politifact fact-checking Trump’s claims from his most recent rally:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...aukee-fact-ch/
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Old 11th February 2020, 09:26 AM   #2642
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
That means they will not be obeying any order to go out and confiscate arms from citizens by President Quid Pro Joe Biden or anyone else. It would be illegal for them to do so. They will be on our side.
Everyone with a gun is on the same side?

Happy that you think a Democrat will win, though.

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Old 11th February 2020, 09:36 AM   #2643
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Everyone with a gun is on the same side?

Happy that you think a Democrat will win, though.
Yeah, the weird idea that no liberals own firearms is one of those conservative blindspots that will cause them a great deal of confusion when Civil War 2 happens...
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Old 11th February 2020, 09:37 AM   #2644
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"We should have won the election, but they had buses being being shipped up from Massachusetts. Hundreds and hundreds of buses" -- Trump pushes a completely unfounded conspiracy theory about massive election fraud costing him New Hampshire in 2016
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Old 11th February 2020, 09:40 AM   #2645
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Originally Posted by Random View Post
Yeah, the weird idea that no liberals own firearms is one of those conservative blindspots that will cause them a great deal of confusion when Civil War 2 happens...
There are an estimated 118 million gun owners in the United States.

There's 44 million registered Democrats and 32 million registered Republicans.

The NRA claims a membership of merely 5 million and I firmly believe that is an inflated number they pulled out of their ass and their dumb ass drowns out the gun side of the gun debate.

So yeah there's a lot of "unaccounted fors" in the gun discussion.
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Old 11th February 2020, 10:00 AM   #2646
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Trump Retweeted

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VINDICATION: @RealDonaldTrump INNOCENT And Should Demand Justice for Coup Attack--from Schiff to Obama; @JudicialWatch Study Shows Dirty Voting Rolls; PLUS Page-Strzok Emails Show FBI Corruption AND Mention Seth Rich; BIG Judicial Watch Update: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WK0iIU0IEaU


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BREAKING: @TomFitton made the following statement regarding the Senate’s vote to acquit @realDonaldTrump
: "Congratulations to President Trump on the overwhelming vote by the U.S. Senate to acquit him & reject the baseless impeachment charges,"

@TomFitton: "Is there going to be accountability for the corrupt impeachment and abuse of @RealDonaldTrump? Judicial Watch already working on it..."
If 51 to 48 is overwhelming, whoever Tom Fitton is, he's got Trump's great math abilities.
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Old 11th February 2020, 10:14 AM   #2647
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Politifact fact-checking Trump’s claims from his most recent rally:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...aukee-fact-ch/
I think I can explain one of his statements. When he says Obama gave Iran $1.8 billion in cash, he is referring to Iran entering an arms deal with the US. The deal fell through after the money was delivered but before the arms were delivered. In Trump’s mind, the Foundation of any profitable business is once you have their money, never give it back. So to him, returning the $1.8 billion was nothing other than a gift.


Trekkies on this board will recognize the Ferengi race. A cut-throat, profit-driven, hyper-sexist society in which acquiring capital is taken more seriously than most religions. They have over 200 Rules of Acquisition (a collection of principles, adages, and advice). The number one rule is once you have their money, never give it back.

Understanding Trumpspeak is easier when one looks at the rules of acquisition.
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Old 11th February 2020, 10:30 AM   #2648
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When Jerome Powell started his testimony today, the Dow was up 125, & heading higher. As he spoke it drifted steadily downward, as usual, and is now at -15. Germany & other countries get paid to borrow money. We are more prime, but Fed Rate is too high, Dollar tough on exports.
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Old 11th February 2020, 11:51 AM   #2649
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
It's difficult to keep up with all of trump's 'tough guys'



eta: that second quoted tweet was just a day or two ago. Are tough guys good or bad? I can't tell.
Whatever fits the spur of the moment.

Anybody trying to extract logic from what Trump says hasn't understood him. Trump says whatever seems to fit at the moment. He might have some inner logic that he follows, but we will only discover that when he writes his memoir, if ever.

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Old 11th February 2020, 12:12 PM   #2650
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Whatever fits the spur of the moment.

Anybody trying to extract logic from what Trump says hasn't understood him. Trump says whatever seems to fit at the moment. He might have some inner logic that he follows, but we will only discover that when he writes his memoir, if ever.

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Old 11th February 2020, 01:13 PM   #2651
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Seriously?
Yep. Just like he wrote The Art of the Deal...
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Old 11th February 2020, 01:40 PM   #2652
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Evidently Trump has intervened in the Roger Stone sentence. After it was publicly announced that Stone's prosecutor recommended 7 to 9 years as a sentence, President Trump tweeted his outrage at the sentence suggestion, declaring that it "cannot be allowed". Not long afterwards, the Justice Department announced it was overruling the prosecutors and submitting a revised, lighter sentencing recommendation, prompting the lead prosecutor to resign.

The Justice Department claims that the decision to revise the sentence was made before Trump's tweet, but there is little evidence of that.
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Old 11th February 2020, 01:43 PM   #2653
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Evidently Trump has intervened in the Roger Stone sentence....
Quick, time for Susan Collins to put on her "I'm concerned" face.

ETA: You know what would be great? For the judge to look at whatever new sentencing recommendations that the DoJ hands out, and to end up taking the initial recommendations by the prosecutors.

Stone has certainly done himself no favors in her court room; she gave him a lot of leeway and he still abused the process.
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Old 11th February 2020, 01:44 PM   #2654
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Quick, time for Susan Collins to put on her "I'm concerned" face.
So very, very concerned.
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Old 11th February 2020, 01:45 PM   #2655
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There is such a perception (that the Dems don't care about rural voters), but it's propped up by lies and propaganda. Truth is, it doesn't matter how much the Dems pander to rural voters, this perception will remain because the propagandists on the right have a choke-hold on the rural population. These people will keep voting against their interests because they have been conditioned to do so by the media bubble they inhabit.
Thanks for a reasoned response.

I don't disagree with you, but there is another side to the issue. The problems unique to rural America do actually exist and did so long before "fake news" became so prevalent. Those voters do not see any benefit to "Medicare-for-all" when their relatives on the current version can't see a doctor without driving for 80 miles. They don't care about "free college" or "student loan forgiveness" when most of their family has never done more than finish high school.

But I just figured out that I'm probably way off-topic, so I'll shut up.
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Old 11th February 2020, 01:56 PM   #2656
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There is such a perception (that the Dems don't care about rural voters), but it's propped up by lies and propaganda. Truth is, it doesn't matter how much the Dems pander to rural voters, this perception will remain because the propagandists on the right have a choke-hold on the rural population. These people will keep voting against their interests because they have been conditioned to do so by the media bubble they inhabit.
Thanks for a reasoned response.

I don't disagree with you, but there is another side to the issue. The problems unique to rural America do actually exist and did so long before "fake news" became so prevalent. Those voters do not see any benefit to "Medicare-for-all" when their relatives on the current version can't see a doctor without driving for 80 miles. They don't care about "free college" or "student loan forgiveness" when most of their family has never done more than finish high school.
First of all, I think it might be a bit inaccurate to say that rural people don't care about things like health care, education, etc. After all, approximately 1/4 of all farmers have college degrees (which isn't that far below the population average). And even if doctors aren't within close proximity, they still need some access to health care.

But yes, even if people in rural areas (farmers and non-farmers alike) have different priorities than more urban voters, usually the democrat's policies would still be better for the average rural voter. Plans like re-education/training are better for rural coal minors than trying to prop up an industry that is dying anyways. Not to mention the trade wars which caused all sorts of problems with agricultural sales.
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Evidently Trump has intervened in the Roger Stone sentence. After it was publicly announced that Stone's prosecutor recommended 7 to 9 years as a sentence, President Trump tweeted his outrage at the sentence suggestion, declaring that it "cannot be allowed". Not long afterwards, the Justice Department announced it was overruling the prosecutors and submitting a revised, lighter sentencing recommendation, prompting the lead prosecutor to resign.

The Justice Department claims that the decision to revise the sentence was made before Trump's tweet, but there is little evidence of that.
I don't have an opinion on that.
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Old 11th February 2020, 02:27 PM   #2658
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I'm going to sorry I posted this. The last time I gave a similar opinion, I got blasted.



It's the world where all the Democratic candidates are perceived to have little or no concern at all for anyone that is not part of their urban voting base. Large numbers of voters see an disdain for the problems of people living in areas where the hospitals have closed, the jobs have gone elsewhere, and the infrastructure has reached end-of-life. I grew up and lived in a place just like that until my 30's. I got out, but an awful lot of folks didn't.



I did not vote for Trump in 2016 and, no matter how bad the Democratic candidate is in 2020, I'll vote for that person. But to label everyone who does a racist homophobe is exactly the kind of thinking that allowed him to win in 2016.
The problem is an economic problem, but so called liberal elitists are blamed. Trump's bluster won't ever change that.
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The Justice Department claims that the decision to revise the sentence was made before Trump's tweet, but there is little evidence of that.
Why would there be? DOJ deliberations are generally kept internal, there is usually no reason to make them available to the public.
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Old 11th February 2020, 03:38 PM   #2660
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President Trump’s budget sets the right priorities:

-Funds the wall
-Supports our military
-Cuts wasteful foreign aid
-Enacts work requirements for welfare recipients

Most importantly, it sets us on a path to a balanced budget.
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Old 11th February 2020, 03:40 PM   #2661
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DRAIN THE SWAMP!


MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and then, KEEP AMERICA GREAT!
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Wow - Trump Privilege in the literal sense: one law for him and his chumps, another for the rest.

This is such a blatant violation of Equality before the law that it deserves it's own Impeachment.
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President Trump’s budget sets the right priorities:

-Funds the wall
-Supports our military
Maybe we will get lucky and the house democrats will refuse to pass any budget that doesn't cut military spending by however much Trump took from the military when he declared is 'state of emergency' to build the wall.
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Old 11th February 2020, 05:26 PM   #2664
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

DRAIN THE SWAMP!


MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and then, KEEP AMERICA GREAT!
Someone should tell him it’s been his swamp for 3 years.
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The Justice Department claims that the decision to revise the sentence was made before Trump's tweet, but there is little evidence of that.
It also asks us to believe that the tweet was the first they heard about Trump's reaction. Barr would most certainly have got it direct from the horse's mouth, and would most certainly leap into action on Trump's behalf.
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If trump lied i wouldn't listen to him. Would you care to relate some of the lies he has told recently? I'm all ears.
Here's 16,241 lies. Take your pick.
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Figuring out what if Trump thinks is hard.
Not much of an exaggeration. He, by his own admission, follows his gut.
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Why would there be? DOJ deliberations are generally kept internal, there is usually no reason to make them available to the public.
Not usually, no. In this case there is, and the timing of the tweet is irrelevant. We all know what happened : Trump got the news, unloaded on Barr, and Barr got on the case. There'll be no paper-trail, of course, not in Trump's White House and Barr's DoJ.
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ETA: You know what would be great? For the judge to look at whatever new sentencing recommendations that the DoJ hands out, and to end up taking the initial recommendations by the prosecutors.

Stone has certainly done himself no favors in her court room; she gave him a lot of leeway and he still abused the process.
Even if she did do that Trump would just pardon him anyway. It's not like this not-even-thinly veiled attempt is doing him any favors. His base still loves him, but I could see this bothering a few prosecutors, and fence sitters. I don't think it would bother them more than a straight up pardon. I can tell you one thing, there is no way he will ever be able to say "I'm going to be\am a law and order President". Any Dem can laugh him right off the stage, and embarrass him at any debate by doing it right in his face while saying Roger's name.

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...Those voters do not see any benefit to "Medicare-for-all" when their relatives on the current version can't see a doctor without driving for 80 miles. They don't care about "free college" or "student loan forgiveness" when most of their family has never done more than finish high school.
My experience is anecdotal but that is certainly not my experience at all. My extended family lives in a small town in Minnesota in a place where all of the grades go to school at the same place. My other side lives in a small town in Pennsylvania where they actually have 2 total schools for the neighboring communities. My uncle sent 2 daughters to college, and is going on his 3rd heart attack. I'm not going to prattle on, just giving at least 1 data point.
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It also asks us to believe that the tweet was the first they heard about Trump's reaction. Barr would most certainly have got it direct from the horse's mouth, and would most certainly leap into action on Trump's behalf.
My bold. Not the body part I'd have mentioned.
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Nice to know that Trump and Barr are probably annoying the hell out of non-political-hack federal prosecutors.
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Nice to know that Trump and Barr are probably annoying the hell out of non-political-hack federal prosecutors.
The goal is clearly to make Prosecutors loses their will to investigate them.
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Even if she did do that Trump would just pardon him anyway. It's not like this not-even-thinly veiled attempt is doing him any favors. His base still loves him, but I could see this bothering a few prosecutors, and fence sitters. I don't think it would bother them more than a straight up pardon. I can tell you one thing, there is no way he will ever be able to say "I'm going to be\am a law and order President". Any Dem can laugh him right off the stage, and embarrass him at any debate by doing it right in his face while saying Roger's name.
Laugh him off the stage?
What are you talking about?
He’ll bluster and bull **** and tell a story that his followers (and those without knowledge of the case) will lap up.

I’ve made the same mistake as well. People on this board overestimate the number of Americans who use facts, logic, and skepticism to make political decisions.
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Old 11th February 2020, 09:50 PM   #2674
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Evidently Trump has intervened in the Roger Stone sentence. After it was publicly announced that Stone's prosecutor recommended 7 to 9 years as a sentence, President Trump tweeted his outrage at the sentence suggestion, declaring that it "cannot be allowed". Not long afterwards, the Justice Department announced it was overruling the prosecutors and submitting a revised, lighter sentencing recommendation, prompting the lead prosecutor to resign.

The Justice Department claims that the decision to revise the sentence was made before Trump's tweet, but there is little evidence of that.
Correction - The whole prosecution team.

Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Even if she did do that Trump would just pardon him anyway. It's not like this not-even-thinly veiled attempt is doing him any favors. His base still loves him, but I could see this bothering a few prosecutors, and fence sitters. I don't think it would bother them more than a straight up pardon. I can tell you one thing, there is no way he will ever be able to say "I'm going to be\am a law and order President". Any Dem can laugh him right off the stage, and embarrass him at any debate by doing it right in his face while saying Roger's name.
No way? He's been doing that anyways all along, despite making it perfectly clear that he's full of dung when he does so all along. Stone's just one more transgression to add to the mountain.
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Old 11th February 2020, 10:39 PM   #2675
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No way? He's been doing that anyways all along, despite making it perfectly clear that he's full of dung when he does so all along. Stone's just one more transgression to add to the mountain.
That's why the states need to go after these guys. The goal isn't punishment as much as deterrence. I would bet they have committed crimes that are state crimes. Lock a few people up in state prisons and the attitude will change.
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Trump Tweeted

The Fake News Media is looking hard for the Big Democrat Story, but there is nothing too fabulous. Wouldn’t a big story be that I got more New Hampshire Primary Votes than any incumbent president, in either party, in the history of that Great State? Not an insignificant fact!
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:33 AM   #2677
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Prosecutorial misconduct?

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Raise your hand if you believe it’s time for a FULL PARDON for Roger Stone and Michael Flynn
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Just got off the phone with my brother in New Hampshire. He said his girlfriend is a Democrat but after watching the SOTU and saw Pelosi‘s behavior, she said she’s going today and register as a republican & said she’ll never vote for a Democrat again as long as she lives! WINNING
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:36 AM   #2679
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Who are the four prosecutors (Mueller people?) who cut and ran after being exposed for recommending a ridiculous 9 year prison sentence to a man that got caught up in an investigation that was illegal, the Mueller Scam, and shouldn’t ever even have started? 13 Angry Democrats?

Is this the Judge that put Paul Manafort in SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, something that not even mobster Al Capone had to endure? How did she treat Crooked Hillary Clinton? Just asking!


All starting to unravel with the ridiculous 9 year sentence recommendation!
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:38 AM   #2680
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The DOJ is changing its sentencing recommendation for Roger Stone, according to a Senior DOJ official.
“The Department finds seven to nine years extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate," the source said, adding the DOJ will clarify its position on sentencing later today

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BREAKING: 4 corrupt prosecutors who worked closely with the fraudulent Mueller investigation resigned from the Roger Stone case, with one resigning from the Department of Justice.
Jonathan Kravis - Resigned from DOJ Aaron Zelinsky, Adam Jed, Michael Marando: Resigned from case

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