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Old 12th February 2020, 02:39 AM   #2681
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Whatever happened to Hillary campaign manager Podesta’s BROTHER? Wasn’t he caught, forced to leave his firm, with BIG BAD things to happen? Why did nothing ever happen to him, only to the “other” side?

A swamp creature with “pull” was just sentenced to two months in jail for a similar thing that they want Stone to serve 9 years for. A phony Mueller Witch Hunt disgrace. Caught!
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:41 AM   #2682
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Impeachment King Steyer (how did that work out?) spent 200 Million Dollars and got less than 1% of the vote in Iowa, and only 3% of the Vote in New Hampshire. Could it be that something is just plain missing? Not easy to do what I did, is it?

Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas, is having a really bad night. I think she is sending signals that she wants out. Calling for unity is her way of getting there, going home, and having a “nice cold beer” with her husband!

A lot of Democrat dropouts tonight, very low political I.Q.
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:45 AM   #2683
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What is with all the tweets about prosecutions, sentences etc.?

Isn't the President supposed to stay out of judicial decision-making?

I know it seems hopeless to expect Trump to respect any kind of formalities, but aren't there actual rules about the Executive interfering with the Judiciary?
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Old 12th February 2020, 02:50 AM   #2684
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Trump should just make one Tweet on endless repeat:

"Trust no none but ME!"
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Old 12th February 2020, 04:17 AM   #2685
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Originally Posted by Worm View Post
What is with all the tweets about prosecutions, sentences etc.?

Isn't the President supposed to stay out of judicial decision-making?

I know it seems hopeless to expect Trump to respect any kind of formalities, but aren't there actual rules about the Executive interfering with the Judiciary?
I don't like this new normal where the king says and does whatever he likes and he gets away with it because his supporters in parliament reap benefits from keeping the madman in power.
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Old 12th February 2020, 04:19 AM   #2686
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He is certainly whipping up a frenzy inside that head of his.
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Old 12th February 2020, 04:49 AM   #2687
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Impeach him again.
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Old 12th February 2020, 05:10 AM   #2688
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Why would there be? DOJ deliberations are generally kept internal, there is usually no reason to make them available to the public.
Considering the body of work of those involved, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?
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Old 12th February 2020, 05:12 AM   #2689
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This link is to a Hill article in which George Conway agrees with your suggestion.

It's a pretty bizarre situation that the United States finds itself in here in which the bad mob boss wins. Each subsequent flouting of the constitution and rule of law by the president is on the hands of the acquitting senators. It is quite likely that one or more of them are going to find their way onto his **** list anyway at some point and feel the pointy end of his petty vindictive nature, exactly what they appear to have been trying to avoid with their senate trial vote.
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Old 12th February 2020, 05:14 AM   #2690
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Impeach him again.
Not sure that's a good idea. It might make the Democrats look desperate.

In any event, now the focus should be on the election, and making sure that it's won by a good enough margin that Trump can't convince those on the fence that it was illegitimate and break US democracy.
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Old 12th February 2020, 05:21 AM   #2691
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Not sure that's a good idea. It might make the Democrats look desperate.

In any event, now the focus should be on the election, and making sure that it's won by a good enough margin that Trump can't convince those on the fence that it was illegitimate and break US democracy.
That would motivate the American people to mobilise their Twitter accounts!
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Old 12th February 2020, 06:29 AM   #2692
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Impeach him again.
Yeah let's remove any chance that he won't be re-elected.
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Old 12th February 2020, 06:50 AM   #2693
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah let's remove any chance that he won't be re-elected.
It was quite flippant but I reckon there is more to come out on this story.

But Trump shouldn’t be held to account in case it motivates his base.

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Old 12th February 2020, 06:53 AM   #2694
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
But Trump shouldn’t be held account in case it motivates his base.
Don't play coy and obtuse. Stop acting like not living in the real world makes you better then the rest of us.

His "motivated base" is why he we can't hold him accountable. You can't separate the two just purify your idealism.

If Trump wins in 2020, he will strength his hold, most notably on the Supreme Court, and dealing with him will become less possible, not more and where will your "holier then though" idealism be then?
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Old 12th February 2020, 06:58 AM   #2695
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Not usually, no. In this case there is, and the timing of the tweet is irrelevant. We all know what happened : Trump got the news, unloaded on Barr, and Barr got on the case. There'll be no paper-trail, of course, not in Trump's White House and Barr's DoJ.
A conspiracy theory that contains its own rationale for why it cannot be proven and hence cannot be disproven either. Nice.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:05 AM   #2696
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Don't play coy and obtuse. Stop acting like not living in the real world makes you better then the rest of us.

His "motivated base" is why he we can't hold him accountable. You can't separate the two just purify your idealism.

If Trump wins in 2020, he will strength his hold, most notably on the Supreme Court, and dealing with him will become less possible, not more and where will your "holier then though" idealism be then?
If he wins and continues on this authoritarian trajectory, what will you be doing?

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Old 12th February 2020, 07:07 AM   #2697
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If he wins and continues on this authoritarian trajectory, what will you be doing? Arguing pedantically with Trump critics on these forums?
I honestly don't know. I will spend the time until then arguing against showy, useless "If we don't win our way it isn't a win" idealism, not for it.

It's not a coincidence that every way we're being told we have to win is also a ready made "Moral victory" narrative for the Democrats for when we lose.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:11 AM   #2698
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Retweeted

Lori Hendry TEXT TRUMP TO 88022
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Just got off the phone with my brother in New Hampshire. He said his girlfriend is a Democrat but after watching the SOTU and saw Pelosi‘s behavior, she said she’s going today and register as a republican & said she’ll never vote for a Democrat again as long as she lives! WINNING
Ignoring the argument-by-insufficient-sample-size fallacy, we’ve reached the point that the president has nothing better to do than retweet anecdotes of dubious authenticity about a single voter.




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Not sure that's a good idea. It might make the Democrats look desperate.

In any event, now the focus should be on the election, and making sure that it's won by a good enough margin that Trump can't convince those on the fence that it was illegitimate and break US democracy.
Aaahhhhhhh!!!11!!

You are saying we need extraordinary evidence to convince someone of an ordinary claim.

Furthermore, if the Democrats win by 8 electoral votes and 1,000,000 voters and someone says “well that is not a large enough margin to convince a fence-sitter like me,” then they are not fence sitters.

If someone is gullible enough to believe President Trump’s assertion of voter fraud if the numbers are close, then there is no evidence that will convince them that the president is wrong when he asserts 2020 election fraud when the numbers are not close.

President Trump asserted 4-6 million fraudulent voters when he won and none of his followers (fence-sitters or not) said, “hmmm, no Republican governor, Republican secretary of state, or Republican attorney general could find anything within two orders of magnitude of that claim, therefore I should be careful not to take the president’s assertions on faith.”

we’re ******. This will not end well.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:11 AM   #2699
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
A conspiracy theory that contains its own rationale for why it cannot be proven and hence cannot be disproven either. Nice.
It is irrelevant because it is in the national interest to maintain an appearance of Independence of the DOJ to tt WH
In this case, Barr has failed by seemingly acquiescing to Trump.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:17 AM   #2700
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You are saying we need extraordinary evidence to convince someone of an ordinary claim.
No, I'm saying exactly what I said.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:23 AM   #2701
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Trump Retweeted

Lori Hendry TEXT TRUMP TO 88022
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Just got off the phone with my brother in New Hampshire. He said his girlfriend is a Democrat but after watching the SOTU and saw Pelosi‘s behavior, she said she’s going today and register as a republican & said she’ll never vote for a Democrat again as long as she lives! WINNING
Wow. I'm 99.9% sure that the story told in this tweet is a lie. For a person to decide to become a Trumpanzee after watching Pelosi's behavior is laughable.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:27 AM   #2702
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I don't like this new normal where the king says and does whatever he likes and he gets away with it because his supporters in parliament reap benefits from keeping the madman in power.
According to Trumpanzees, you're wrong because those in parliament are afraid of the voters, therefore Trump is not a dictator/king. Nevermind the fact that Trump and the GOP are using government powers to try and rig the elections so that the voters really don't matter.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:29 AM   #2703
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Wow. I'm 99.9% sure that the story told in this tweet is a lie. For a person to decide to become a Trumpanzee after watching Pelosi's behavior is laughable.
Oh, I find it very believable that a woman would tell her MAGA boyfriend whatever she thinks will stop him talking about Trump and Pelosi.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:34 AM   #2704
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Whatever happened to Hillary campaign manager Podesta’s BROTHER? Wasn’t he caught, forced to leave his firm, with BIG BAD things to happen? Why did nothing ever happen to him, only to the “other” side?

A swamp creature with “pull” was just sentenced to two months in jail for a similar thing that they want Stone to serve 9 years for. A phony Mueller Witch Hunt disgrace. Caught!
Who does Trump think should have gone after Podesta?

And in the second tweet, he appears to be accusing both the Justice Department and the judge of corruption.

Besides which it's dubious what the factual basis of this claim is supposed to be.

So maybe he is putting out incendiary tweets as a distraction. Keep your eye on the ball, media.
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Oh, I find it very believable that a woman would tell her MAGA boyfriend whatever she thinks will stop him talking about Trump and Pelosi.
No man is good enough in bed to make the MAGA nonsense worth it
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https://twitter.com/RepValDemings/st...050926592?s=20

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Today Senate Republicans blocked THREE election security bills.

Two would require that illegal foreign election interference be reported to the authorities.

The other would make voting machines harder to hack.

All blocked.
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No man is good enough in bed to make the MAGA nonsense worth it
Yeah but you just know there's some messed up political role playing going on in bedrooms across America right now.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:42 AM   #2708
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No way? He's been doing that anyways all along, despite making it perfectly clear that he's full of dung when he does so all along. Stone's just one more transgression to add to the mountain.
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Laugh him off the stage?
What are you talking about?
He’ll bluster and bull **** and tell a story that his followers (and those without knowledge of the case) will lap up.

I’ve made the same mistake as well. People on this board overestimate the number of Americans who use facts, logic, and skepticism to make political decisions.
I'm not implying his base will change. No one ever expects it to because it never will. His base is there forever and always, which is why I clarified fencesitters. Even moderates have to get sick of the constant **** talking, and loud mouthed screaming. It gets old. I can't even listen to Trump's interviews, the sound of his voice is just terrible. The man talks like a complete and total moron, and I can't imagine sitting through a rally.
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I think it would've been better for our democracy if Trump just pardoned Stone instead of corrupting the DOJ to ask for a lighter sentence. However, I'm sure the point is to show the world that he controls the justice system and that he IS the law.
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Old 12th February 2020, 07:51 AM   #2710
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TOUGH GUYS FOR TRUMP!

This accompanies a video of Larry David’s show 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' where he is threatened by a biker and puts on a MAGA hat to calm him down.

It's too bad he didn't show other parts of the episode, in which he reveals that he uses the hat to repel people in public when he doesn't want them to sit near him or talk to him.
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After moments of consideration, I propose a new rule of thumb, akin to Godwin's Law: The Law of Trump's Accusation Farts

"Whenever Trump makes an accusation against some one, he is also guilty of that same thing. In other words, he who smelt it has also dealt it."

The only known exception is that Trump was never born in Kenya.

I'm open to feedback/modifications.
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Fake News @CNN and MSDNC have not surprisingly refused to talk about my record setting number of voters in New Hampshire (and in Iowa). That’s why they are poorly rated Fake News! I will win both states in November.

Congratulations to Attorney General Bill Barr for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have even been brought. Evidence now clearly shows that the Mueller Scam was improperly brought & tainted. Even Bob Mueller lied to Congress!

Two months in jail for a Swamp Creature, yet 9 years recommended for Roger Stone (who was not even working for the Trump Campaign). Gee, that sounds very fair! Rogue prosecutors maybe? The Swamp! @foxandfriends @TuckerCarlson

@dagenmcdowell, “Every Democrat is running to raise taxes. She (Pocahontas) lied about her ethnicity, that was her problem.” @MariaBartiromo
So true Dagen!
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Originally Posted by Worm View Post
What is with all the tweets about prosecutions, sentences etc.?

Isn't the President supposed to stay out of judicial decision-making?

I know it seems hopeless to expect Trump to respect any kind of formalities, but aren't there actual rules about the Executive interfering with the Judiciary?
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I don't like this new normal where the king says and does whatever he likes and he gets away with it because his supporters in parliament reap benefits from keeping the madman in power.
Susan Collins said he'd learned a lesson from the impeachment. She wasn't exactly wrong.
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Old 12th February 2020, 11:06 AM   #2714
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
After moments of consideration, I propose a new rule of thumb, akin to Godwin's Law: The Law of Trump's Accusation Farts

"Whenever Trump makes an accusation against some one, he is also guilty of that same thing. In other words, he who smelt it has also dealt it."

The only known exception is that Trump was never born in Kenya.

I'm open to feedback/modifications.
The projection was amazingly stark during the prayer gathering when he accused Pelosi of faking her Christianity and lying about praying for people. At the same meeting he demonstrated total ignoring and scorn towards core tenets of the faith.
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Old 12th February 2020, 11:14 AM   #2715
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I honestly don't know. I will spend the time until then arguing against showy, useless "If we don't win our way it isn't a win" idealism, not for it.

It's not a coincidence that every way we're being told we have to win is also a ready made "Moral victory" narrative for the Democrats for when we lose.
Its not about the means of winning. It is about ensuring democracy and a fair society is maintained. He and Barr just cannot be interfering with the judicial system like that and especially not to lighten the punishment of one of Trump’s cronies. This is ludicrous. You cannot allow him to get away with this ****. There is more to come but if there is evidence of wrong doing by either of these ********* then they should be held accountable.
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Old 12th February 2020, 11:16 AM   #2716
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
After moments of consideration, I propose a new rule of thumb, akin to Godwin's Law: The Law of Trump's Accusation Farts

"Whenever Trump makes an accusation against some one, he is also guilty of that same thing. In other words, he who smelt it has also dealt it."

The only known exception is that Trump was never born in Kenya.
Well, he was supposedly born in Jamaica Hospital Medical Center. Jamaica is another country, isn't it?

Ok, technically Jamaica hospital is in New York.. Lets ignore that fact for this joke, shall we?
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Old 12th February 2020, 11:51 AM   #2717
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
After moments of consideration, I propose a new rule of thumb, akin to Godwin's Law: The Law of Trump's Accusation Farts

"Whenever Trump makes an accusation against some one, he is also guilty of that same thing. In other words, he who smelt it has also dealt it."

The only known exception is that Trump was never born in Kenya.

I'm open to feedback/modifications.
I don't think he was menstruating when he made that remark about blood from wherever.

Then again, I know nothing about Trump's species, so what do I know.
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Old 12th February 2020, 11:53 AM   #2718
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Impeach him again.
What good would that do?
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Its not about the means of winning. It is about ensuring democracy and a fair society is maintained. He and Barr just cannot be interfering with the judicial system like that and especially not to lighten the punishment of one of Trump’s cronies. This is ludicrous. You cannot allow him to get away with this ****. There is more to come but if there is evidence of wrong doing by either of these ********* then they should be held accountable.
Then what should we do?
You keep on screaming for Americans to do something, but don't tell us what, from a pragmatic point of view, we can do.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
A conspiracy theory that contains its own rationale for why it cannot be proven and hence cannot be disproven either. Nice.
Are you suggesting it's not true? That Barr didn't order that the sentence recommendation be changed? Do you actually believe that he might not have? Barr serves Trump (and through him, God). Of course he did it.
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