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Old 13th February 2020, 07:13 PM   #2841
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Is Lou Dobbs a member of the neo-founding fathers?
No, he just looks like it.
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:14 PM   #2842
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So here's a weird question that popped in my head.

Who were the big movers and shakers on Trump's election campaign in 2016? Who was making his strategy and planning for the election?

Are they still in the inner circle? Has Trump fired the people who got him elected?

Bannon gets named dropped a lot as the "Guy who got Trump elected" but I'm wary of that level of "It's this one factor."

But if he has gutted or replaced a lot of his 2016 campaign staff that could (stress could) be a factor in 2020.
I'm gonna guess that most of the really influential people and doers in the campaign were behind the scenes, avoiding publicity as best they could. That applies especially to those contributing $$$ counted in the millions. As such, they probably remain out of view and have not taken positions in the Trump administration. Sounderland (sp?) is a notable exception and even he was pretty much an unknown until the excrement hit the propeller.

Thus, I suspect much of the 2016 infrastructure is still in place for 2020.
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:23 PM   #2843
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
Obama Intervened, Repeatedly, in Ongoing Trials and Investigations

"Few of the critics who are treating President Donald Trump’s comments on Roger Stone’s sentencing — widely viewed as unduly harsh — as an attack on the rule of law showed such strong concerns when then-President Barack Obama weighed in, repeatedly, on ongoing trials or investigations."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nvestigations/
Whataboutism at its finest.
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:30 PM   #2844
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think some GOP senators might have hoped Trump would moderate a little after his acquittal;the opposite has happened.
If any senators did, it was a triumph of hope over reality.
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:48 PM   #2845
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Have hope, all is not lost. Below are quotes from a USA Today story published in late January. USA Today is tracking voters in the 'Blue Wall' states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania (plus Ohio).
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Pluralities in each of these states indicate they would vote for an unnamed Democratic candidate over Trump in November. These margins vary slightly by state, but in each instance, Trump appears to be in trouble. In fact, between 45% (in Ohio) and 49% (in Michigan) indicate that they are “almost certain to vote against Donald Trump no matter whom the Democrats nominate for president.” Further clues regarding Trump’s woes in these states can be found when it comes to impeachment. Majorities in three of these four key battlegrounds — all but Ohio — supported the House impeachment. Perhaps more surprising is that half of respondents support Trump’s removal by the Senate in Wisconsin and Michigan, and a near majority supports his removal in Pennsylvania (49%). These numbers reflect a significant rise in support for the impeachment process compared with polls last fall.

On issues, Trump shows weaknesses when it comes to national security and health care. Pluralities believe that Trump’s foreign policy has made the United States less safe and less respected in the world. Likewise, majorities of respondents in Wisconsin (56%), Michigan (53%) and Pennsylvania (51%) do not approve of how Trump has handled health care policy. Link
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:54 PM   #2846
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think it's more Barr is just sick and tired of having to put up with Trump's stupidity. The kind of thing Trump is trying to do with the Justice Department you do behind closed doors not in public.
Perhaps you missed that Barr is one of those fanatical Evangelicals who is ecstatic about keeping 'the chosen one' safe.

William Barr Wants To Bring ‘God’s Law’ To America

Changes the picture, doesn't it?
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:03 PM   #2847
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
The facts don't quite line up with the assertion the mainstream media didn't care what Obama did. From the previous Breitbart link:



The "Times reported" this. As did, I would presume, most other mainstream media. It's so hard to have a realistic discussion with Trump's supporters. They make the assertion that the mainstream media gave Obama carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. The proof provided is a reference to a Times story reporting FBI officials were bothered by Obama interfering in ongoing investigations. I suppose it only makes sense if you've been swigging the Kool-Aid.
Sounds like the "Obama is treated like the Messiah by the MSM!" assertions, really. They didn't even remotely do so, but it made for a nice bias confirming narrative on the right... and a convenient excuse to treat their people like that in their media.

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But surely just because someone got away with something doesn't mean you let everyone get away with it?

You agree that Trump like Obama has improperly interfered with trials and investigations so shouldn't you be pushing for Trump to face "negative consequences"?
While this is true, it's possible that you've not noticed that the goal was simply to push the right-wing narrative that "The Left is a bunch of hypocrites, so the issue can be summarily dismissed!" Nothing more. Nevermind that it's just another very false equivalence being pushed by right-wingers.

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I have a question about Foxnews and Breitbart followers and wrestling. Are these the same people that think Pro Wrestling is real?
It's worth poking at the concept of kayfabe if you're bringing that up - and it's also probably worth noting that kayfabe may also explain a far too significant chunk of the appeal that said people find in Fox and Breitbart.

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I think some GOP senators might have hoped Trump would moderate a little after his acquittal;the opposite has happened.
Mmm. I rather think that it's wrong to call what happened an "acquittal." An acquittal means that the person was judged "not guilty." Trump was judged "guilty, but not bad enough to remove."

In other news that just happens to also be about Barr, right after SG's post...

DOJ Gave $500K Grant to 'Hookers for Jesus' Instead of Established Anti-Trafficking Groups: Report

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The Department of Justice (DOJ) is under fire after a whistleblower complaint revealed that the department had given over $1 million in anti-human trafficking grants to two groups, Hookers for Jesus and the Lincoln Tubman Foundation, rather than highly recommended, established groups.

A September 12 internal DOJ memo recommended that the grant money go to the Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Palm Beach and Chicanos Por La Causa of Phoenix, according to an exclusive report by Reuters. The recommendations were based on reviews from outside contractors. Instead, the grant money went to two organizations the contractors gave lower ratings: Hookers for Jesus and the Lincoln Tubman Foundation.

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Lobert's organization, which was given $530,190 over three years, is controversial due to its strict rules in the safehouse, banning "secular magazines with articles, pictures, etc. that portray worldly views/advice on living, sex, clothing, makeup tips," and mandatory attendance of the organization's religious services. However, Lobert denies that the house's residents are forced to attend services.

Its staff manual also says homosexuality is immoral, according to copies obtained by Reuters via a public records request. The group's policies could violate federal anti-discrimination laws.
That sure looks like Barr's "Christian" beliefs interfering with good decision-making.

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The Lincoln Tubman Foundation, which was given $549,345 over three years, was founded in 2018 by Brooke Burris and has "little to no experience," according to the recommendation memos. Its headquarters is in Burris' parents' mansion, though Burris told Reuters she's looking for office space.
...And that looks like a big WTF? Probably worthwhile to investigate outright corruption there.
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:41 PM   #2848
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Flare up: pffffftttt.
Barr is just covering his ass and Trump is undoubtedly pleased.
Barr is under an ethics complaint and potential disbarment. Of course he's denying any culpability: Just a coincidence that he agrees with Trump, never spoke to Trump, thought the sentence range was unfair...
My thinking was more in line with this.
Similar to the Ukraine call that trump keeps pointing to, it's just post hoc cover.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The flare up between Barr and Trump is interesting in that regard.
That "flare up" is just a smoke screen. I'd almost bet money on Trump and Barr having agreed on the content of Barr's "rebuke."

Now, If Barr is "bitching" honestly and without Trump's OK, it's only because Trump's rampant tweeting is making it difficult for Barr to do Trump's improper bidding on the sly. Donnie thinks that he's now invulnerable and is blaring publicly about his criming. Billy knows this stuff should be done on the QT.
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That "flare up" is just a smoke screen. I'd almost bet money on Trump and Barr having agreed on the content of Barr's "rebuke."

Now, If Barr is "bitching" honestly and without Trump's OK, it's only because Trump's rampant tweeting is making it difficult for Barr to do Trump's improper bidding on the sly. Donnie thinks that he's now invulnerable and is blaring publicly about his criming. Billy knows this stuff should be done on the QT.
I don’t think it’ll actually happen, but I suspect we are pretty close to having a Democrat bait POTUS by saying, “all of you accusing the president of siphoning money into his businesses should stop with that accusation. President Trump is not profiting in any way from the presidency. He lacks the motivation and the guile.” It is exceptionally unlikely but not impossible that POTUS’s reaction would be to describe all the ways he has profited.

Sort of a rabbit-season-duck-season kind of shtick.
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Old 14th February 2020, 03:41 AM   #2851
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I keep thinking that someone should ask him "Of course you would attribute your success in the 2016 election and your impeachment acquittal primarily to God, right?" because there's noooooo way he's gonna be allowing god to frikken take credit for his magnificence.

I'd at least like christians to see that trump is just feigning anything faith-related in order to get their vote, for whatever good that will do.
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Old 14th February 2020, 03:55 AM   #2852
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Ok. Perhaps I am wrong.

You are saying that there are people who will believe POTUS’s claim of voter fraud if the election is very close, but will not believe his claims of voter fraud if there is a landslide. And you are assuming that there are enough of these people that they could make a difference in what happens in the immediate aftermath of a Dem win.

How many people fall into this category?
I don't know why you insist on rewording what I said. Argue with the fictional version of me if you want.
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Old 14th February 2020, 03:57 AM   #2853
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Read the whole article assuming it was parody. Turns out it's serious. Seriously unhinged.
I guess the author didn't realise that the protagonosts in The Godfather were bad guys.
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Old 14th February 2020, 03:59 AM   #2854
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Obama Intervened, Repeatedly, in Ongoing Trials and Investigations
Two wrongs make a right wing!
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Old 14th February 2020, 04:17 AM   #2855
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I don't know why you insist on rewording what I said. Argue with the fictional version of me if you want.
Ok. How large of a margin do you think is necessary for these people to have faith in the results instead of faith in Trump’s accusation of fraud?
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Old 14th February 2020, 04:31 AM   #2856
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Now show when Obama went after individual Jurors.
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“The President has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case.” A.G. Barr This doesn’t mean that I do not have, as President, the legal right to do so, I do, but I have so far chosen not to!
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Oh yes, the good old "I didn't do it, but even if I did it wouldn't be wrong"...
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Old 14th February 2020, 06:59 AM   #2859
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Lou Dobbs
"I don’t wanna hear any crap about an independent Justice Department. This Justice Department — as does everyone — works for the president.“


Okay, have we reached peak parody yet? You can literally read that as him either praising what he thinks is a good thing or decrying what he thinks is a bad thing. Delete the attribution of the quote, and I challenge anyone to parse out his true meaning. I think my brane is officially broke.
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Old 14th February 2020, 07:02 AM   #2860
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

“The President has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case.” A.G. Barr This doesn’t mean that I do not have, as President, the legal right to do so, I do, but I have so far chosen not to!
Thanks Donald for giving Democrats the talking points for what to ask Barr when he is under oath!
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We will probably get to the "pardons himself" situation in Trump's second term!

I don't have a problem with Bloomberg replacing Biden. Only problem: Sanders Bloomberg and Buden are all in the old white guy group. Reagan and Trump have been senile enough. They all get manipulated by the underlings in the second term. Maybe not Trump. Trump will have a long time record: the only president ever to be impeached twice. He can't help it.

But in any case, in this one and and only matter, the primary, I can echo the GOP: let the voters decide. There is the issue of funds and TV ads, but it is too late to control that for this year.

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It's worth poking at the concept of kayfabe if you're bringing that up - and it's also probably worth noting that kayfabe may also explain a far too significant chunk of the appeal that said people find in Fox and Breitbart.
Horribly off-topic note:

The link has this for the pronunciation; " kayfabe (pronounced KEI-feib)". I can guess the proper pronunciation of it from the word itself better than the clue.

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In other news that just happens to also be about Barr, right after SG's post...

DOJ Gave $500K Grant to 'Hookers for Jesus' Instead of Established Anti-Trafficking Groups: Report
From that link:
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The Department of Justice (DOJ) is under fire after a whistleblower complaint revealed that the department had given over $1 million in anti-human trafficking grants to two groups, Hookers for Jesus and the Lincoln Tubman Foundation, rather than highly recommended, established groups.
I simply cannot imagine the bribe Hookers for Jesus gave to grant reviewers for their recommendation.
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Here's a big surprise; the Trump administration released its budget proposal this week, and science funding would take a hit.

When asked to explain the proposed cuts to basic research, Kelvin Droegemeier, White House Office of Science and Technology Policy director, told reporters Monday:

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The key priority in this administration is prioritizing of research and then, you know, placing our money on things that are extremely important. And then, for those things that are less important or lower priority, not focusing on them as much.
I assert there is zero actual content in that statement. None. Zilch. Nada.

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“President Trump, with smart policies, has done more to help the Black community than any President in the modern era.” @IngrahamAngle @FoxNews

I was very surprised & disappointed that Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia voted against me on the Democrat’s totally partisan Impeachment Hoax. No President has done more for the great people of West Virginia than me (Pensions), and that will....

....always continue. Every Republican Senator except Romney, many highly religious people, all very smart, voted against the Impeachment Hoax. @SenCapito was all in (a great person). I was told by many that Manchin was just a puppet for Schumer & Pelosi. That’s what he is!
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Here's a big surprise; the Trump administration released its budget proposal this week, and science funding would take a hit.

When asked to explain the proposed cuts to basic research, Kelvin Droegemeier, White House Office of Science and Technology Policy director, told reporters Monday:



I assert there is zero actual content in that statement. None. Zilch. Nada.
There is no need for science when the expert on everything is in the oval office.
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Hell if anything once you've already completely rejected the concept that "facts exist" what's even the point of going back and trying to stop science?
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Okay, have we reached peak parody yet? You can literally read that as him either praising what he thinks is a good thing or decrying what he thinks is a bad thing. Delete the attribution of the quote, and I challenge anyone to parse out his true meaning. I think my brane is officially broke.
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Hell if anything once you've already completely rejected the concept that "facts exist" what's even the point of going back and trying to stop science?
Hey that's not fair.

The Trump administration is such a great believer in facts, that they are adding a whole bunch of new facts, also known as 'alternative facts'.
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Old 14th February 2020, 11:42 AM   #2870
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It is happening again to Crazy Bernie, just like last time, only far more obvious. They are taking the Democrat Nomination away from him, and there’s very little he can do. A Rigged System!
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It's worth poking at the concept of kayfabe if you're bringing that up - and it's also probably worth noting that kayfabe may also explain a far too significant chunk of the appeal that said people find in Fox and Breitbart.
Is that related to covfefe?
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And the isolation of the U.S. continues...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...plectic-2020-2
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has canceled a trip to the US planned for next month...Johnson had been due to visit Washington last month but repeatedly delayed the trip after a series of rows with the president over Iran, Huawei, and a rejected request by the prime minister to extradite the wife of a US diplomat.

The UK used to be one of the United States biggest allies (remember, they were one of the few countries to support their Iraq invasion). And Johnson is seen as a British version of Trump. Yet such is the nature of Trump's incompetence that even friends are abandoning him.
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An acquittal means that the person was judged "not guilty." Trump was judged "guilty, but not bad enough to remove."
The first sentence is splitting hairs and the second is just wrong.
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Old 14th February 2020, 11:58 AM   #2874
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Perhaps you missed that Barr is one of those fanatical Evangelicals who is ecstatic about keeping 'the chosen one' safe.

William Barr Wants To Bring ‘God’s Law’ To America

Changes the picture, doesn't it?
GOd, what makes you think I like Barr?
I just point out he must be frustrated by Trump's stupidity.
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Old 14th February 2020, 11:59 AM   #2875
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
And the isolation of the U.S. continues...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...plectic-2020-2
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has canceled a trip to the US planned for next month...Johnson had been due to visit Washington last month but repeatedly delayed the trip after a series of rows with the president over Iran, Huawei, and a rejected request by the prime minister to extradite the wife of a US diplomat.

The UK used to be one of the United States biggest allies (remember, they were one of the few countries to support their Iraq invasion). And Johnson is seen as a British version of Trump. Yet such is the nature of Trump's incompetence that even friends are abandoning him.
I also think Bojo probably picked up that looking like he was subcerviant to Trump was not playing well with the British public..including many of the Tory MP's.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:21 PM   #2876
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Quote:
Barr: I think Trump, ahem, needs to stop tweeting (wink nudge)
Trump: huh?
Barr: play along
Trump: I don’t get it
Barr: pretend to be mad at me, but then stop tweeting about DOJ, and I’ll help you
Trump: I still don’t get it
Barr: oh dear lord
Trump: my brain is cabbage
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:28 PM   #2877
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

“The President has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case.” A.G. Barr This doesn’t mean that I do not have, as President, the legal right to do so, I do, but I have so far chosen not to!
Same predictable pattern:

I didn't do it.
But if I did, I am allowed to do it.

He reveals that he knows he did do it and wants it to not be bad.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:32 PM   #2878
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Horribly off-topic note:

The link has this for the pronunciation; " kayfabe (pronounced KEI-feib)". I can guess the proper pronunciation of it from the word itself better than the clue.
From that link:
I simply cannot imagine the bribe Hookers for Jesus gave to grant reviewers for their recommendation.
You guys might be wrong about the Hookers for Jesus group. They are actually getting women out of sex trafficking and abusive situations the women can't get out of on their own.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:46 PM   #2879
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
And the isolation of the U.S. continues...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...plectic-2020-2
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has canceled a trip to the US planned for next month...Johnson had been due to visit Washington last month but repeatedly delayed the trip after a series of rows with the president over Iran, Huawei, and a rejected request by the prime minister to extradite the wife of a US diplomat.

The UK used to be one of the United States biggest allies (remember, they were one of the few countries to support their Iraq invasion). And Johnson is seen as a British version of Trump. Yet such is the nature of Trump's incompetence that even friends are abandoning him.
Isn't it great how the US is so much more respected now all over the world than it was before?
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:49 PM   #2880
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You guys might be wrong about the Hookers for Jesus group. They are actually getting women out of sex trafficking and abusive situations the women can't get out of on their own.
Even if they have been able to get women out of dangerous situations... If the money wasn't going to the Hookers for Jesus group, the money wouldn't necessarily have been lost... it would have gone to other groups dealing with sex trafficking. (The difference is, those other groups would not have had an anti-homosexual agenda.)
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