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Old 16th February 2020, 09:31 PM   #3001
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
What's most depressing is that Trump is stupid, ignorant, crude, mean, corrupt, dishonest, disordered and concerned only about himself. And yet he has the support of 40+% of Americans. Imagine what somebody smarter, smoother, slicker and more charismatic could do to promote an equally poisonous agenda, or worse.
I am quite sure that smarter, smoother, slicker, and more charismatic people are already well past just imagining. With the political ignorance demonstrated by a significant percentage of the population the future of the US looks rather scary.
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Old 16th February 2020, 11:51 PM   #3002
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There's plenty of both professional and amateur pictures and video of Air Force One during the event today.

It's hard to tell from the angles I've seen but it didn't seem to get as low as the picture released and then retracted earlier today.

Or it could have been an honest mistake.
But even the honest mistake still highlights a huge problem.
There is no real effort to get things right. One’s work product is never checked by a editor or fact-checker or supervisor. If the guy in charge dismisses the idea of proofreading, why should anyone else put in the effort.

Thus, people using the federal database see that Wakanda is a US trading partner.
Peter Parker, Aunt May, and Bruce Wayne are listed as interns that worked on an economic report.
POTUS Cannot send out three consecutive tweets without grammar, logic, spelling, or factual errors.
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Old 16th February 2020, 11:58 PM   #3003
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Times of India fact-checking Trump:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/74149071.cms

Trump tweeted that Zuckerberg said he was the most liked person of FB, followed by Modi, PM of India.

Of course, neither Trump nor Modi are the most liked by a huge margin. But Modi has twice the likes that Trump has.
No surprise there, and no surprise Trump lied about his popularity. He can't do otherwise.
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Old 17th February 2020, 03:46 AM   #3004
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I guess it was far more important to take a lap around the Daytona track than go to Mississippi where they're having catastrophic flooding.
Perhaps he's run out of toilet rolls?
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Old 17th February 2020, 05:50 AM   #3005
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Ok. How large of a margin do you think is necessary for these people to have faith in the results instead of faith in Trump’s accusation of fraud?
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Old 17th February 2020, 05:56 AM   #3006
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Here's a big surprise; the Trump administration released its budget proposal this week, and science funding would take a hit.

When asked to explain the proposed cuts to basic research, Kelvin Droegemeier, White House Office of Science and Technology Policy director, told reporters Monday:
That was delicious word salad.
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Old 17th February 2020, 06:08 AM   #3007
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Remember the times Trump indecently assaulted the Flag?

Well, he doesn't even want to spent a dime on Stars and Stripes:

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/espe...ority-1.618614

The new budget completely defunds Stars&Stripes, possibly because they aren't printing enough praise for the Commandarse in Chief.

Republicans are very certain of the undying support from the Troops it seems...
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Old 17th February 2020, 07:26 AM   #3008
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What a Second Donald Trump Term is Going to Look Like
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...tm_source=digg

Some predictions from the article:
- A second impeachment proceeding is practically guaranteed.
- A major ramp up in Trump's "revenge politics."
- Trump will continue to bring the Justice Department in line as his personal enforcers.
- Big Tech will mainly just try to ride it out and not make waves.
- Global Efforts to combat climate change will be severely curtailed.
- Massive benefits cut to the poor.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:09 AM   #3009
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Remember when Ziggy was saying that the assertions that Barr was intervening in DOJ cases was just a conspiracy theory? It must be hard to be a Trump supporter; every defense is undermined by Trump or his thugs.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:11 AM   #3010
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Remember when Ziggy was saying that the assertions that Barr was intervening in DOJ cases was just a conspiracy theory? It must be hard to be a Trump supporter; every defense is undermined by Trump or his thugs.
Yeah in another world I'd almost feel sorry for the Trumpers since their primary defense of "Oh you're just being dramatic (the single greatest sin known to man) Trump will never do that..." is so often interrupted by Trump doing it.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:12 AM   #3011
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Remember when Ziggy was saying that the assertions that Barr was intervening in DOJ cases was just a conspiracy theory? It must be hard to be a Trump supporter; every defense is undermined by Trump or his thugs.
They are playing for keeps in the Big Con. Every defense is transitory. It's all about the end game.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:15 AM   #3012
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They are playing for keeps in the Big Con. Every defense is transitory. It's all about the end game.
True. This is why they feel no shame or embarrassment when their defenses are destroyed by Trump's tweets or actions.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:51 AM   #3013
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I thought Jeff Sessions was a horrible choice as AG, but leave it to Trump to replace him with an even worse choice.

More than 1100 former DOJ employees have signed a petition calling for the resignation of AG Barr.
Speaking of Barr:

From: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/bar...r-help-report/
Attorney General William Barr tried to block the prosecution of a Turkish bank after the country’s president asked President Donald Trump for help....Barr tried to direct a settlement that would have allowed the bank to escape indictment, but U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman of the Southern District of New York insisted on criminal prosecution.
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:20 AM   #3014
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:21 AM   #3015
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Trump gave remarks at the Daytona 500 pre-race ceremony, stood on the track for the national anthem and prayer, and gave the command for drivers to start their engines.
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:21 AM   #3016
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What's most depressing is that Trump is stupid, ignorant, crude, mean, corrupt, dishonest, disordered and concerned only about himself. And yet he has the support of 40+% of Americans. Imagine what somebody smarter, smoother, slicker and more charismatic could do to promote an equally poisonous agenda, or worse.
The stupidity, ignorance etc. are what many of his fans *like* about him, and he’s plenty charismatic for those folks. I don’t get it, but he is. Someone smoother might not appeal to the same crowd.
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:22 AM   #3017
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HAPPY PRESIDENT’S DAY!

“They tried to Impeach the President eight times before this last Impeachment trial that we went through. In Arizona, people are tired of their obstruction, their investigations, and their Impeachments. They want them to get to work.” @SenMcSallyAZ @foxandfriends
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:23 AM   #3018
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Trump gave remarks at the Daytona 500 pre-race ceremony, stood on the track for the national anthem and prayer, and gave the command for drivers to start their engines.

Did he pretend to conduct the band this time?
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Old 17th February 2020, 09:50 AM   #3019
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

HAPPY PRESIDENT’S DAY!

“They tried to Impeach the President eight times before this last Impeachment trial that we went through. In Arizona, people are tired of their obstruction, their investigations, and their Impeachments. They want them to get to work.” @SenMcSallyAZ @foxandfriends
hanks Martha
I must've missed the first seven.
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:01 AM   #3020
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I must've missed the first seven.

He's probably referring to the various House Resolutions that got killed in early voting over the last few years. They never got anywhere close to the point of impeachment, but remember who we're talking about and what he knows about the functioning of the government.
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:04 AM   #3021
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Trump gave remarks at the Daytona 500 pre-race ceremony, stood on the track for the national anthem and prayer, and gave the command for drivers to start their engines.
I think this is the first retweet of his I've seen where it doesn't explicitly compliment him repeatedly. It just describes what he did. That's pretty tame.

Today is the first day Trump is becoming a real President.
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:32 AM   #3022
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

HAPPY PRESIDENT’S DAY!

“They tried to Impeach the President eight times before this last Impeachment trial that we went through. In Arizona, people are tired of their obstruction, their investigations, and their Impeachments. They want them to get to work.” @SenMcSallyAZ @foxandfriends
hanks Martha
....does he think the Presidents Day holiday is to celebrate the current president, or the office in general? He's old enough to remember it used to be Washington's birthday. Right? He's not so egotistical that he thinks it's about him....oh hell, he is and does. He's firmly past the "where are the Burns-O's" line.
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Old 17th February 2020, 12:10 PM   #3023
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Trump gave remarks at the Daytona 500 pre-race ceremony, stood on the track for the national anthem and prayer, and gave the command for drivers to start their engines.
He has to retweet that now? Because otherwise no one would have known.
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Old 17th February 2020, 12:19 PM   #3024
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I just finished "A Very Stable Genius". Nothing to surprise about Trump. A couple of people seem to have tried to rehabilitate themselves. Kirstjen Nielsen comes off a bit better though some of that is likely her and John Kelly's doing. Chris Christy looks a bit less of a lap dog than he did during the campaign, turning down the chief of staff job.

What really comes across is that the president feels vulnerable on immigration and angry at why he can't do what he wants. I did get a bit of a chuckle in the conclusion where comes clear the Trump is suffering every day from anger, confusion and frustration. It's small consolation but I still laugh every time I see Trump suffering.
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What's most depressing is that Trump is stupid, ignorant, crude, mean, corrupt, dishonest, disordered and concerned only about himself. And yet he has the support of 40+% of Americans. Imagine what somebody smarter, smoother, slicker and more charismatic could do to promote an equally poisonous agenda, or worse.
I wouldn't conflate approval rating and votes. Approval ratings are important but just because people approve of the job he's doing doesn't mean they will vote for Trump. Trumps definitely will/won't numbers are 36 will and 46 won't, 35 in just the key swing states. Clearly there's a margin of people in that approval rating who approve but aren't comfortable with all aspects of Trump.
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Old 17th February 2020, 12:34 PM   #3026
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Trump Tweets

HAPPY PRESIDENT’S DAY!

“They tried to Impeach the President eight times before this last Impeachment trial that we went through. In Arizona, people are tired of their obstruction, their investigations, and their Impeachments. They want them to get to work.” @SenMcSallyAZ @foxandfriends
hanks Martha
Interesting choice by Trump as "President's" indicates the day honors one president.
Either "Presidents'" or "Presidents" refers to all presidents.

ETA: ninja'd by Tragic Monkey!

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I think this is the first retweet of his I've seen where it doesn't explicitly compliment him repeatedly. It just describes what he did. That's pretty tame.

Today is the first day Trump is becoming a real President.
...If he was back on his plane before the race even started, though, it counts as pointedly misleading.
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I just finished "A Very Stable Genius". Nothing to surprise about Trump. A couple of people seem to have tried to rehabilitate themselves. Kirstjen Nielsen comes off a bit better though some of that is likely her and John Kelly's doing. Chris Christy looks a bit less of a lap dog than he did during the campaign, turning down the chief of staff job.

What really comes across is that the president feels vulnerable on immigration and angry at why he can't do what he wants. I did get a bit of a chuckle in the conclusion where comes clear the Trump is suffering every day from anger, confusion and frustration. It's small consolation but I still laugh every time I see Trump suffering.
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Old 17th February 2020, 01:35 PM   #3029
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Anyone know anything more about this story? I believe Trump's plane did make a flyby over Datona. Could they just have selected the wrong pic? Or did Air Force One never get that low today?
Not sure about a flyover.

But as to that 2004 photo, Daytona International Airport and the track are smack up against one another:



The photo is certainly of Air Force One taking off normally, the perspective foreshortened by a telephoto lens.

As far as Trump outrages go, this incident barely moves my “outrage needle”. Had it been another President doing exactly the same thing, I don’t think we’d be obsessing over it in quite the same way.
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As far as Trump outrages go, this incident barely moves my “outrage needle”. Had it been another President doing exactly the same thing, I don’t think we’d be obsessing over it in quite the same way.

I see it as less "outrage" and more "example #8,675,309 of a half-assed administration that doesn't know what it's doing and has no competent people working in it."
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I see it as less "outrage" and more "example #8,675,309 of a half-assed administration that doesn't know what it's doing and has no competent people working in it."
Well, if it had been any other president, it would have been a (perhaps silly) gimmick, but we know why Trump does it.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
As far as Trump outrages go, this incident barely moves my “outrage needle”. Had it been another President doing exactly the same thing, I don’t think we’d be obsessing over it in quite the same way.
Does it happen with any regularity during other administrations? I'm not saying it's outrage worthy, because I agree it really doesn't even matter to me. I hate NASCAR, and the POTUS. That being said, I've seen people use variations of the "if it were a different POTUS we wouldn't care" and I always find myself asking, "Would another POTUS even do it?"
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Well, if it had been any other president, it would have been a (perhaps silly) gimmick, but we know why Trump does it.

I had been thinking more the botched Air Force One Photo. The lap was clearly "Look at me!! Pay attention to me!!"
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....does he think the Presidents Day holiday is to celebrate the current president, or the office in general? He's old enough to remember it used to be Washington's birthday. Right? He's not so egotistical that he thinks it's about him....oh hell, he is and does. He's firmly past the "where are the Burns-O's" line.
Bill Bramhall's editorial cartoon for Monday, Feb. 17, 2020, celebrating President's Day.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...togallery.html
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
....does he think the Presidents Day holiday is to celebrate the current president...
Yeah, why not?

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Old 17th February 2020, 04:30 PM   #3036
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  • Jim Acosta: President Trump, some people have said you are the greatest president ever, do you think it's possible you could be honored on Mt. Rushmore?
  • Trump: Yeah why not? Honest Abe? Gimmee a break. What was his net worth? Zero? Washington? A loser! He had wooden teeth. He musta been real popular with the ladies. Fuhgeddaboudit! The other two clowns? I don't even know who they are.
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Old 17th February 2020, 04:42 PM   #3037
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History may not repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes!

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Old 17th February 2020, 06:03 PM   #3038
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
History may not repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes!

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As much as I enjoy the visual comparison, it would be dishonest to forget that, at the Nuremberg rallies, the people were there explicitly to see Hitler. At Daytona, they were there to see the race. I doubt few, if any, came just because Trump was going to be there.
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Old 17th February 2020, 06:52 PM   #3039
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As much as I enjoy the visual comparison, it would be dishonest to forget that, at the Nuremberg rallies, the people were there explicitly to see Hitler. At Daytona, they were there to see the race. I doubt few, if any, came just because Trump was going to be there.
A lot of people watch NASCAR secretly hoping to see a wreck.
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A lot of people watch NASCAR secretly hoping to see a wreck.
Well, then.....they got their wish!
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