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Old 13th February 2020, 03:05 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post


Spot the propaganda.
Let me guess...

Quote:
“SAS spits on everything that is genuine Danish, genuine Swedish and genuine Norwegian,” the party's foreign spokesman Søren Espersen told Extra Bladet. “The government must declare that enough is enough,” he added. “I have always flown SAS a lot, but I will get a bad taste in my mouth if I do it again, considering how they spit on us,” Espersen concluded."
For those who don't know much about Swedish politics, Søren Espersen is an ultranationalist, right-wing populist, anti-Islamic Euroskeptic, with an ideology of National Socialist conservatism... in other words, a Nazi in every way that matters.
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:06 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
A good article! I don't know if Google Translate will make version that can be understood by native speakers of English. But the reaction from the chairman of the Swedish airplane pilots union is scary:




He seems to agree with the fascists: "Vi delar deras (!!!) uppfattning ..."
'Make Scandinavian Airlines Scandinavian again!'
Does he actually think that the hate campaign = "reaktionerna från våra kunder"?!
I dunno. He might be talking about something else entirely and I wouldn't put much stock in it. If he is talking about the fascists, he'll be eating crow soon enough. Or double down, which is just as likely. It normally doesn't really pay for a union boss to align with right wing extremists in Sweden.
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A good article! I don't know if Google Translate will make version that can be understood by native speakers of English. But the reaction from the chairman of the Swedish airplane pilots union is scary:









He seems to agree with the fascists: "Vi delar deras (!!!) uppfattning ..."

'Make Scandinavian Airlines Scandinavian again!'

Does he actually think that the hate campaign = "reaktionerna från våra kunder"?!
Given your obvious fluency in English would it not be more helpful for you to give the quote and then your interpretation in English?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Let me guess...



For those who don't know much about Swedish politics, Søren Espersen is an ultranationalist, right-wing populist, anti-Islamic Euroskeptic, with an ideology if National Socialist conservatism... in other words, a Nazi in every way that matters.
He's also Danish.
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:09 AM   #85
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No idea where you live ...

I've done my utmost to keep it a secret!
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Let me guess...



For those who don't know much about Swedish politics, Søren Espersen is an ultranationalist, right-wing populist, anti-Islamic Euroskeptic, with an ideology if National Socialist conservatism... in other words, a Nazi in every way that matters.
So they want to exterminate the entire Jewish race from the planet?
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:20 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
No idea where you live but here we have a left wing govt made up of to major parties and a green party.

The PM is the current lovey of world politics and "caring"

Jacinda Ardern

Before they were elected both the main two current govt parties campaigned on slashing immigration.

I think they were wrong on this. But don't think Ardern is a nazi
Yes, across the board, regardless of race, colour or religious persuasion. This is unlike what right wingers want, which is to only slash immigration by brown people - white Christians exempt.
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:22 AM   #88
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I dunno. He might be talking about something else entirely and I wouldn't put much stock in it. If he is talking about the fascists, he'll be eating crow soon enough. Or double down, which is just as likely. It normally doesn't really pay for a union boss to align with right wing extremists in Sweden.

In Denmark, the communist boss of the Seamen's Union created his own left-wing party, which became ultra-nationalist when the seamen were threatened by a development similar to the one that the Scandinavian pilots and other airline personnel are now facing:
Preben Møller Hansen (1987): “… racisme, næh… Det er en beskyttelse af det folk, der har skabt det land der er vores” (Document, March 1, 2016)
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He's also Danish.

I can confirm that, unfortunately, but in the context he appears to be primarily Scandinavian:
"SAS spits on everything that is genuine Danish, genuine Swedish and genuine Norwegian." (Shouldn't it be genuinely?)
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In Denmark, the communist boss of the Seamen's Union created his own left-wing party, which became ultra-nationalist when the seamen were threatened by a development similar to the one that the Scandinavian pilots and other airline personnel are now facing:
Preben Møller Hansen (1987): “… racisme, næh… Det er en beskyttelse af det folk, der har skabt det land der er vores” (Document, March 1, 2016)
Well, that is clearly something that could happen. I'm not sure that's what has happened in this particular case, but it's not impossible.
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Yes, across the board, regardless of race, colour or religious persuasion. This is unlike what right wingers want, which is to only slash immigration by brown people - white Christians exempt.
Utter bollocks

Ardern s party went on an Asiany sounding names hunt and the other main party leader went full on with the phrase.

"2 Wongs don't make a white"

Both now the govt.
Pretend away but the left can be a xenophobic as it gets
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So they want to exterminate the entire Jewish race from the planet?
You really have ZERO understanding of what Nazis are don't you.

The extermination of Jews is only a small part of Nazi ideology; it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Nazism was based on Völkisch Nationalism. If you want to learn about it, you can read about it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement

I suggest you take the opportunity read it and learn something so that you stop embarrassing yourself and tarring the rest of us kiwis with your brush.
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Utter bollocks

Ardern s party went on an Asiany sounding names hunt and the other main party leader went full on with the phrase.

"2 Wongs don't make a white"

Both now the govt.
Pretend away but the left can be a xenophobic as it gets
You have evidence of this?
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You really have ZERO understanding of what Nazis are don't you.

The extermination of Jews is only a small part of Nazi ideology; it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Nazism was based on Völkisch Nationalism. If you want to learn about it, you can read about it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement

I suggest you take the opportunity read it and learn something so that you stop embarrassing yourself and tarring the rest of us kiwis with your brush.
An in the interim read my last post and formulate excuses
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He's also Danish.
Yeah, I really meant Scandinavian politics, but you're right, he's Danish of course.

I have time in the editing window to change it, but I wont. It was a genuine mistake
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You have evidence of this?
Did she go along with it or not?
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An in the interim read my last post and formulate excuses
I cringe every time I see your avatar.
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Did she go along with it or not?
Provide evidence.

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Provide evidence.



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https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/one-ey...rvey-ck-206494
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Suck it up. You obviously support a xenophobic party supported by a racist old dude
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I cringe every time I see your avatar.
I don't when I see yours
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Can you point me to the bit where this article says something about targeting immigration (which is what you were claiming).
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Suck it up. You obviously support a xenophobic party supported by a racist old dude
This is not a New Zealand Politics thread.
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That has got to be the greatest anti-tourism ad I've ever seen. I was thinking Scandinavia
You clearly need to re-watch the ad, it wasn't an ad trying to convince people to visit Scandinavia, it was an ad to tell Scandinavians to travel abroad and learn new things and about other people and cultures, to find the things that they liked and bring them back to Scandinavia, just like the things previously mentioned. It was about showing that Scandinavia is not unique in that it has invented all these things, but rather that in by visiting the rest of the world, and returning with the best bits, then changing those thing to make Scandinavian versions of them, by embracing the rest of the world, and diversity, that was what made Scandinavia what it was.

Of course it's easy to miss that message when you get all angry about how they're trying to deny white people raaagh!
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Can you point me to the bit where this article says something about targeting immigration (which is what you were claiming).
I could quite easily post a link to our left Labour party saying they want to drop immigration by 30,000 and Winston just cutting it to 10 all up.

You could with a couple of googles

But hey the thread says only nazis are anti immigration
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Of course it's easy to miss that message when you get all angry about how they're trying to deny white people raaagh!
Yep. It requires the viewer to have at least some level of intelligence!
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Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?
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Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
Original Lego piece found in a crater. Some say it crashed there millions of years ago, others that it was a recent UFO.

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2. dynamite?
Alfred Nobel died in Italy, check mate.

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3. Jean Sibelius?
Roman name. Another Italian.

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4. Knut Hamsun?
Come on, obviously a made-up name.

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I think it's a great ad. Good photography, good editing, insightful narration. I would say it has a subtext, "Celebrate diversity." If that bothers you, don't travel. Anywhere.
I thought it was an interesting corporate puff piece. Not sure why people think they shouldn't talk up the Scandinavian countries. What do they want the airline to do, critise Scandinavian cultures and societies?
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:14 AM   #110
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
You clearly need to re-watch the ad, it wasn't an ad trying to convince people to visit Scandinavia, it was an ad to tell Scandinavians to travel abroad and learn new things and about other people and cultures, to find the things that they liked and bring them back to Scandinavia, just like the things previously mentioned. It was about showing that Scandinavia is not unique in that it has invented all these things, but rather that in by visiting the rest of the world, and returning with the best bits, then changing those thing to make Scandinavian versions of them, by embracing the rest of the world, and diversity, that was what made Scandinavia what it was.

Of course it's easy to miss that message when you get all angry about how they're trying to deny white people raaagh!
Yes, I'm well aware of what the intent of the ad is however I can, and will interpret what I see for my purposes. Deny white people ? Dude, maybe you need to watch the ad again. Most of the things it's listing as "Scandinavian" it's attributing to other white people. Good try though.

So then, do Scandinavians really thing democracy was invented there or do they teach their school children that it was invented in Greece like the rest of the world does ?

And what about this massive Nazi infestation they apparently have ? If there's enough of them to get this ad pulled down within hours of it being posted then that's obviously a hella lot of Nazis.
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:23 AM   #111
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?
You forgot the Swedish Chef.
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:27 AM   #112
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I thought it was an interesting corporate puff piece. Not sure why people think they shouldn't talk up the Scandinavian countries. What do they want the airline to do, critise Scandinavian cultures and societies?
All their ads are like that, at least the ones that I watched. All we get around here are the free champagne on flights to Mexico and "low discount fares" which when compared to the rest of the world, are actually pretty expensive.

Mind you, I did find an amazing fare to Bali, way less expensive than my usual destination in Honduras and now that I've been there, I'm never going back to the Caribbean again.
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:55 AM   #113
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You clearly need to re-watch the ad, it wasn't an ad trying to convince people to visit Scandinavia, it was an ad to tell Scandinavians to travel abroad and learn new things and about other people and cultures, to find the things that they liked and bring them back to Scandinavia, just like the things previously mentioned. It was about showing that Scandinavia is not unique in that it has invented all these things, but rather that in by visiting the rest of the world, and returning with the best bits, then changing those thing to make Scandinavian versions of them, by embracing the rest of the world, and diversity, that was what made Scandinavia what it was.

Of course it's easy to miss that message when you get all angry about how they're trying to deny white people raaagh!

It is an ad to make people choose to fly with the SAS. It's in English, which is understood by almost everybody in Scandinavia, but the Danish, Norwegian and Swedish languages aren't so different that it would have been difficult to use phrases from all three languages in a way that all Scandinavians would have been able to understand, i.e. it is probably meant to appeal to people outside of Scandinavia, too.
And, as uke2se has pointed out, it may not be a coincidence that it comes at a time when SAS pilots are venting nationalistic sentiments because the airline is trying to expand by employing cheaper labour from other countries ...
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:59 AM   #114
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?



Okay, what about:



1. Lego?

2. dynamite?

3. Jean Sibelius?

4. Knut Hamsun?
No such thing as Lego. It's LEGO.

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Nothing is Skandanavian?

It isn't? How did you come up with that idea? It can't have been from watching the SAS ad. Its question, 'What is truly Scandinavian?', is answered by showing examples of things considered to be truly Scandinavian having derived from outside of Scandinavia. Not even LEGO would claim that they invented building blocks as toy, but they may have been the first to make them out of plastic. Wikipedia describes the invention of dynamite like this: "Nobel found that when nitroglycerin was incorporated in an absorbent inert substance like kieselguhr (diatomaceous earth) it became safer and more convenient to handle, and this mixture he patented in 1867 as "dynamite,"" i.e. based on something else but modified. Wikipedia also tells us about Jean Sibelius, the Finnish composer, that an "important influence was his teacher Ferruccio Busoni, a pianist-composer with whom he enjoyed a lifelong friendship," so he could have been used as an example in the SAS video, too.

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Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?

Couldn't you think of a Scandinavian writer who was not a Nazi?
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Old 13th February 2020, 07:53 AM   #116
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
1. LEGO was developed based on the Kiddicraft Self-Locking Building Bricks developed in Britain.

2. Nobel was in Hamburg, Germany when he took the French invention of nitroglycerin and mixed it with Diatomaceous earth from the Elbe River.
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A new video from the Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) has upset white supremacists:

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I think the SAS ad is quite good, but I also liked the Gillette ad.
It's rubbish to say that meatballs and rye bread 'are not Scandinavian'. They are staple diet. Being in the conifer belt, rye is easier to grow being hardier. Likewise pig farming has been around for centuries (meatballs are generally made of pork).

I have to say though that my Scandinavian friend who teaches Norwegian studies at a top university in the UK says she for one is sick to death of Scandinavian stereotypes. They even call the course 'Viking Studies' because folk in the USA find the idea of Vikings terribly romantic. And that's the crux, people have a romantic view of the place, when really like any stereotype, the truth is far more ordinary and mundane.
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It's rubbish to say that meatballs and rye bread 'are not Scandinavian'. They are staple diet.
That's not what it said. It said that things like Rye Bread and Meatballs were created elsewhere and then came to Scandinavia where they were adopted and modified into a Scandinavia version that then became uniquely Scandinavian.

It was pointing out that Scandinavians have always been travelers who have gone out into the world and brought back ideas and then made those ideas Scandinavian.
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One thing about the ad that's inaccurate is that the democracy found in ancient Greece has little to do with the development of democracy in the Scandinavian countries.

If anything the closest ancient parallel would be that found in Rome.
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Scandinavian Airlines are doubling down:




So congratulations, Nazi scum! With your campaign you have managed to make people sympathize with the airline, which doesn't seem to fear your boycot threats at all. On the contrary, it has given SAS favorable publicity.
I look forward to traveling on Nazi-free planes in the future!
Let's hope in the next advert they remember to say they stole the sauna from the Finns.
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