Biden for President?

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by Bob001

What is Biden's actual plan?

Rocking chair, tequila slammers, then bitches and rap music ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!

Just kidding. Something something, deregulate investment banking, something something.

Can we all just agree that between Trump, Biden, and Sanders we've got nothing but very old men in various degrees of decline physical and mental? Saying one of the Three Stooges is slightly madder than the other two isn't a powerfully convincing argument for the others. They're all dwelling in glass nursing homes on this stuff.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Rocking chair, tequila slammers, then bitches and rap music ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!

Just kidding. Something something, deregulate investment banking, something something.

Can we all just agree that between Trump, Biden, and Sanders we've got nothing but very old men in various degrees of decline physical and mental? Saying one of the Three Stooges is slightly madder than the other two isn't a powerfully convincing argument for the others. They're all dwelling in glass nursing homes on this stuff.

I don't think that's true. You can reject Sanders' "socialism," but there's never been any evidence that he's not mentally sharp. He's certainly held his own in the debates.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by Bob001

I don't think that's true. You can reject Sanders' "socialism," but there's never been any evidence that he's not mentally sharp. He's certainly held his own in the debates.

Meh. In my opinion Sanders is in the "shakes fist at clouds" style of old man wackiness. Biden's got the rambling and fluctuating brain going in and out, and Trump is a bipolar toddler version of Joffrey Baratheon. Their conditions are different in quality and seriousness but I'd still class all three as non compos. While recognizing that Sanders would know what that means, Biden would have heard of it but get it wrong, and Trump would think it was some kind of Mexican food.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by dudalb

I see the Bernie Bros are doing Trump's dirty work for him.

I think you mean the Bernie brothers!

[The Great Zaganza]

Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.

[Elagabalus]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.

Oh, no's! The Republicans might "mobilize"!!

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

Oh, no's! The Republicans might "mobilize"!!

You joke, but "Sleepy Joe" looks harmless enough for plenty of Republicans not to bother voting.
Sanders, OTOH, scares plenty of conservatives ******** - just look at Chris Matthews.

[Shadowdweller]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

You joke, but "Sleepy Joe" looks harmless enough for plenty of Republicans not to bother voting.
Sanders, OTOH, scares plenty of conservatives ******** - just look at Chris Matthews.

Which no doubt is why Trump and his administration felt the need to break US law and then cover it up in an attempt to smear him...

Your claims are less than persuasive.

[Cabbage]

Originally Posted by dudalb

And they should not be choosing a 78 year old with heart issues.

....followed by....

Originally Posted by dudalb

I see the Bernie Bros are doing Trump's dirty work for him.

It's OK to question the health of one of the Democratic nominees but strictly verboten for the other, because that would be doing Trump's work????

Hey, I'm just pointing out your inconsistency and the irony. Are you not even aware of what you're saying?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.

I just donated to Biden's campaign. Let's face it, Biden is the presumptive nominee. There's no map for Sanders. There's also no map for Trump against Biden.

Biden even puts Texas in play. Biden polls well in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. It's the Democrat trifecta. If Trump has to spend time and resources to shore up Texas, he can't comeback in those three states too.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Bob001

The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism. Trump is a symptom, not the cause, of where we are now. What will Biden do to appeal to the people who thought Trump belonged in the White House? I think there's a real possibility that Trump could beat Biden.

That is a distinct possibility. Trump could beat Sanders. As it stands now, it will either be Biden or Sanders. But what we don't need are anti-Trumpers spreading this "Biden's got dementia" rumor. That can only help Trump.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Cabbage

....followed by....




It's OK to question the health of one of the Democratic nominees but strictly verboten for the other, because that would be doing Trump's work????

Hey, I'm just pointing out your inconsistency and the irony. Are you not even aware of what you're saying?

They should be pushing the Trump has dementia rumors*. That would be useful.

*I don't care if the rumors are true, I care if they stick.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Joe Biden is a ‘healthy, vigorous’ 77-year-old, his doctor declares
[...]
“The only test that hasn’t been done is the cognitive functioning test,” Olshansky added.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1a9_story.html

Funny how you left out this part of Olshansky's comment:

Quote:

“The only test that hasn’t been done is the cognitive functioning test,” Olshansky added. “But the fact that he’s on the campaign trail and meeting a rigorous travel and meeting schedule probably would suffice as a replacement for the formal test for cognitive functioning.”

He said cognitive tests are generally not required unless a problem is detected.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...against-biden/

Quote:

Dr. Neal Kassell, who performed the aneurysm surgery on Biden three decades ago, told POLITICO in August that Biden “is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago."
"I haven’t seen any change,” he added.
Kassell said at the time he’s so certain of Biden’s health that he’s supporting his presidential bid.
“I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one,” Kassell said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...th-2020-086582

So that's two doctors vs. some unsupported claims by unknown internet posters.

ETA: Biden also suffers from stuttering. According to speech pathologists, what may appear as a memory lapse, like substituting 'my boss' for 'Obama', is not a memory lapse at all but a result of circumlocation: the brain quickly trying to find another word to substitute for one that is causing a stutter.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...VZx5d6Mf_lEKr8

[Stacyhs]

As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:

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This issue, however, is not simply being raised by Trump and his enablers. Steve Friess reports that a memo about Biden’s “cognitive decline” is circulating among Sanders’ supporters.

The Bernie Sanders presidential campaign is disavowing a list of post-Super Tuesday talking points distributed to supporters and surrogates on Wednesday morning that suggest Sanders partisans attack a resurgent Joe Biden on his “record and obvious cognitive decline.”

The material, seen by Newsweek, was posted on various social media sites and on internal WhatsApp groups for supporters of the independent Vermont senator as an official campaign communique, but Sanders communications director Mike Caspa said he’d never seen it before.


“That’s not a real document,” he told Newsweek. “It’s not ours.”

“This is now a 2-person race, and there will be heightened scrutiny on Biden’s record and obvious cognitive decline,” the document reads.

The message is obviously getting out there.

The steadfast, wilful refusal of Dem political & media elites to address what is increasingly visible to the naked eye — Biden’s serious cognitive decline — is frightening indeed, not only for what it portends for 2020 but what it says about the ease of snapping them into line: https://t.co/InZzCja99x

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.

[Sideroxylon]

The apologetics and tin foil stuff is hilarious.

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Originally Posted by Delvo

The idea that Bernie would depend on some wildly unprecedented wave of millions upon millions of roughly-20-year-old voters is a myth cooked up by his opponents as a straw man. Democrats have won Presidential elections before (and lost by quite close margins, not huge blowouts) without anything completely off-the-wall happening. And they've done it with voters who wanted policies like Bernie's and candidates who campaigned like they were going to push for such policies.

I'm not talking about waves and waves of millions of anybody. But the statistics show that younger people tend to favour Sanders while older people tend to favour Biden. If older people turn up to vote and younger people don't, then Sanders is going to find it harder to get elected than Biden would under the same circumstances.

I don't think that's a controversial statement. And if the primaries can be taken as an indication, then older people are turning out to vote in a way that younger people are not.

[Distracted1]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.

Sums it up.

[Distracted1]

Originally Posted by Bob001

The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism. Trump is a symptom, not the cause, of where we are now. What will Biden do to appeal to the people who thought Trump belonged in the White House? I think there's a real possibility that Trump could beat Biden.

Of course. There is a strong chance we get stuck with him for another four no matter which of of remaining contenders goes. The only change we can hope to expect is the swinging back of the "blue wall" States that went (very narrowly) for the Trumpster last time. And maybe Fla.
There is no way to get the Trump voters back in those States. They have been digging in their heels for as long as we have been pointin out what a POS he is. We can, however, get our own turnout up a little bit while keeping the non-Trump voters (as differentiated from the Clinton voters) out of it- and even bringing a few of them to our side.

[Distracted1]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.

That is troubling, no doubt.
Keep in mind, however, the phrase from the last sentence: "...clearly visible to the naked eye...". Posters on this forum- such as myself- received no memo from Putin or Sanders supporters to plant a seed. We have watched Biden since he entered the race and can clearly see with our own eyes that he is fading.
If he does not get someone dynamic out in front soon, that will be the focal point of his candidacy.
The narratative needs to accept that he is never going to come across as any more hip than he already has, and start pushing the "elder Statesman" with a dedicated cohort of aides who can steer the ship. Let them do the heavy lifting.

[Beelzebuddy]

Originally Posted by Bob001

The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism.

That's what concerns me. I'm not bothered by the notion of who can beat Trump; if anyone can beat Trump, anyone can beat Trump. I'm worried about the next Trump.

Once Biden gets into office, then what? The political forces that buoyed Trump's rise have made lasting changes. We can't just pretend the last four years never happened. All the Republicans you could make deals with have retired; the Trumpers who are left are the venal and the power hungry. All the public officials you could rely on have been fired and replaced with criminals and sycophants who actively want to burn the government down to line their own pockets.

Biden is basically running as a third term for Obama. But think about how effectively the GOP neutered Obama's presidency just by refusing to cooperate on any issue out of sheer spite. They haven't gotten any friendlier, and Biden isn't Obama. You can't play checkers with someone who'll flip the table over if it looks like they're losing. So what's he going to do instead?

[Delvo]

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

I'm worried about the next Trump.

Once Biden gets into office, then what?

With Biden in office? Pretty much the same we're getting now. Biden and Trump are the same in their pattern of deliberately helping the rich get richer and making life harder for everybody else. They're the same on racial issues and other civil rights issues. They have the same complete lack of interest in anything environmental and cluelessness about any & all kinds of science. Nobody could seriously believe Biden would lift a finger to counteract a single one of Trump's executive orders. We'd be trading in one kind of laughter & head-shaking from other countries' leaders for another kind, but still laughter & head-shaking. There'd be no constant stream of rage-tweets, but that's not a matter of real government action on issues. He'd be likely to nominate the same kind of judges just because the Republicans would want him to (which he'd call a brilliant "compromise" without getting anything else in return for it).

The only substantial, real-world difference Biden would make from Trump is in the fact that Biden's never seen a war he didn't like and Trump has more pacifist instincts (although he's been torn between going with that impulse and simply serving his pro-war Republican masters).

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

You can't play checkers with someone who'll flip the table over if it looks like they're losing. So what's he going to do instead?

That's why a "don't scare the opposition" campaign doesn't work. It's what the Democrats have been trying for years & years, and all it's done is hand everything to the Republicans. They need to be defeated, not begged & pleaded with from a perpetually losing position, and the only way that can happen is if the Democrats finally quit constantly giving in and start actually fighting. Biden is just more of what we already know never gets anywhere; even nominating him at all would be just another act of giving in and not even trying. Like Bloomfield, it's really no different from literally picking a registered member of the Republican Party and calling him the Democrat candidate. He'd drift along for a few years going along with whatever the Republicans want, then retire blathering about how satisfied he was with his great & wonderful achievement of being so delightfully "bipartisan".

[The Great Zaganza]

Biden is trying to run as the Second Coming of Obama, but de facto he is running as the Generic Democrat Candidate.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by dudalb

I see the Bernie Bros are doing Trump's dirty work for him.

This is politics. It's just as much Bernie's dirty work.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.

Right, we're useful idiots.

Y'all need a new strategy.

[BrooklynBaby]

“We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

-- Joe Biden yesterday

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-rally-video/

[angrysoba]

Oh Jesus!

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I AGREE

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Oh Jesus!

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I AGREE

Just another part of the misinformation campaign coming from Russia.

[theprestige]

Please tell me there's additional context in which this makes sense.

[calebprime]

I hate to agree with you guys, but that looked bad. Just as bad was the speech leading up to the mistake. Sorry, the man's toast. Can he delegate?

[shemp]

I for one am looking forward to a November election and series of debates between two old, senile and befuddled white men.

Is there any way to draft Michelle Obama, against her will if necessary?

[Baylor]

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

I'm not talking about waves and waves of millions of anybody. But the statistics show that younger people tend to favour Sanders while older people tend to favour Biden.

Per usual, the typical regurgitated HuffPo hot take of a UKian. This post demonstrates a lack of understanding of US politics and the social fabric that underlies it.

Hey UKian, did you notice anything about Super Tuesday? Which states gave Biden a clear victory? Southern States. i.e. those with a large black population. (Biden beat Sanders in every state when it comes to black voters). Because black people love establishment democrats. And white people love "radicals" like Bernie. Ever seen a black person talk about Universal Health care? Of course you haven't (googling intensifies). Even within the Democratic party, there's a large and apparent racial divide. This will continue, Bernie will win OR and WA while Biden will win MI and MS (I don't care if you don't know state postal abbreviations, use google as you're fond of doing.)

eta: I said clear victory NB4 "but MN, ME"

[Sideroxylon]

Originally Posted by theprestige

This is politics. It's just as much Bernie's dirty work.

Or it’s simply evident that Biden isn’t all there.

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Biden is trying to run as the Second Coming of Obama, but de facto he is running as the Generic Democrat Candidate.

Which should be all that's needed, unless you are keen on another 4 years of a narcissistic, demagogic, moron in the White House?

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by shemp

I for one am looking forward to a November election and series of debates between two old, senile and befuddled white men.

Is there any way to draft Michelle Obama, against her will if necessary?

The problem is that while Trump may be befuddled, he's also glib. He can talk a blue streak and only later do realize it didn't make any sense.

[applecorped]

Originally Posted by Garrison

Which should be all that's needed, unless you are keen on another 4 years of a narcissistic, demagogic, moron in the White House?

"We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

-- Joe Biden

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Originally Posted by Baylor

Hey UKian, did you notice anything about Super Tuesday? Which states gave Biden a clear victory? Southern States. i.e. those with a large black population. (Biden beat Sanders in every state when it comes to black voters). Because black people love establishment democrats. And white people love "radicals" like Bernie. Ever seen a black person talk about Universal Health care? Of course you haven't (googling intensifies). Even within the Democratic party, there's a large and apparent racial divide. This will continue, Bernie will win OR and WA while Biden will win MI and MS (I don't care if you don't know state postal abbreviations, use google as you're fond of doing.)

eta: I said clear victory NB4 "but MN, ME"

Sure. But can't this all be true along with the statement that younger people tend to favour(sic) Sanders while older people tend to favour(sic) Biden.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

The apologetics and tin foil stuff is hilarious.

You quote a doctor in an attempt to show that Biden has dementia but leave out his following statement which contradicts that. That is dishonest. I quote Biden's own doctor who states he is mentally healthy.

I quote an article on a memo, seen by Newsweek and the Sanders campaign communication director, that is directing Sanders supporters to push the dementia rumor. Newsweek also reported that:

Quote:

The nine-point document emerged hours after the former vice president's stunning and unexpected Super Tuesday triumph. It advised supporters to argue that the results of Super Tuesday in Texas, where Biden upset Sanders by about 4 points on late-breaking momentum, and California, where Sanders is beating Biden by almost 9 points, were tainted by "massive voter suppression in Bernie-favorable parts" of those states

Quote:

The document also blamed Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren for costing Sanders votes and, thus, victories in Massachusetts, Texas, Minnesota, Oklahoma and Maine. All of those states went to Biden.

"This fight is just beginning," the document concluded.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sand...mental-1490513

You hand wave away all the above because it refutes your beliefs and attempt to dismiss it as "apologetics and tin foil stuff" because you cannot dispute it with anything else.

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Right, we're useful idiots.

Y'all need a new strategy.

Those are your words, not mine.

I've presented evidence that Biden has a decades long history of doing exactly what he's doing now, statements from two doctors that he is mentally healthy, a report on a Sanders supporting memo circulating to push the "dementia" claim, and a report quoting a speech pathologist that Biden's stuttering problem can often present as memory lapses, etc. What have you and others claiming Biden has dementia presented as evidence of that claim? Nothing other than some videos showing Biden doing exactly what he's always done.

Dr. Bandy Lee, who has warned about Trump's mental unfitness, stated that:

Quote:

I do not diagnose without examination and do not speak about public figures in general, unless there is evidence of such profound danger to public health and well-being because of serious signs of mental instability in a public servant, that it would be a public disservice not to share the knowledge and training that I have. Biden has not risen to this threshold…

This is definitively Donald Trump, not Biden.

(Washington Monthly)

If she believed Biden has dementia, she would most certainly think he'd be a danger to the public health and well-being as POTUS.

I think y'all need a new strategy...like actually presenting some real evidence.

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I think y'all need a new strategy...like actually presenting some real evidence.

What would you count as evidence? If I posted a sourced quote from a real MD saying that Joe Biden likely has dementia would that count as evidence?

[Childlike Empress]

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

What would you count as evidence? If I posted a sourced quote from a real MD saying that Joe Biden likely has dementia would that count as evidence?

Caitlin's collection I've posted in #49 has now grown from the original 30 to 41 "gaffes", including the ones pointed out on the recent pages of this thread. Uncle Joe is a daily performer now. I don't think it is appropriate to post the link again, as it is so funny to see Stacy and cohorts deny reality that is plainly visible to everybody.

[Baylor]

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

Sure. But can't this all be true along with the statement that younger people tend to favour(sic) Sanders while older people tend to favour(sic) Biden.

It can but it's more of a myopic way to look at things and it's not the generation gap that's dividing the Democratic party. UKians look at the US as if everybody's a white person and that's why their takes are so idiotic.