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Old 13th June 2011, 09:31 PM   #321
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Not to mention that it's an aluminum pan, not steel.
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Old 14th June 2011, 01:34 AM   #322
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Old 14th June 2011, 04:53 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
LOL

I wrote three comments - let's see if they survive:

Originally Posted by PapaOystein
So m,any errors:

0:28 "it's a steel pan" - no, it's an aluminium pan

0:33 "according to the 9/11 Commission..." The )/11 Comm. wasn't an engineering body and did nit look into the specifics of what happened in the fires at all. Moronc idea to refer to them.

0:38 "...the steel melted" - WRONG. The word "melt", "melted", or "molten", does not appear in the 9/11 Commission Report at all. No other official study claims that any steel at all melted.
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More errors:

Throughout: The assumtion that any part of the steel (or Al) at the stove would collapse when heated is moronic. Structural steel in a highrise is loaded to 20-30% of its load bearing capacity, the pan and the metal that it rests on to only a tiny fraction of a percent

The temperature of the flame is not the important factor that determines how hot the metal gets, only one of many.

In this experiment, nothing was measured: No temp, no load, no heat input (energy released by fire)..
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If anything of relevance had been measured at all, the experimenter would have found without a shadow of the doubt that the pan lost a part of its load bearing capacity, expanded, and deformed slightly during the experiment, all of which would validate all of the findings of real investigators.

Now question: Why do they put fireproofing on structural steel, but not on frying pans?
ETA: Ooh, so many spelling errors -.-
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I kinda like the chiptune version of "Burning Down the House". That's about all I can say about it.

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Old 15th June 2011, 11:04 AM   #325
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why the fuss over whether the pan is steel or aluminium, they're pretty much the same...?
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Old 17th June 2011, 08:36 AM   #327
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why the fuss over whether the pan is steel or aluminium, they're pretty much the same...?
I love the way he taps the pan on the work top as if it's a kind of proof that a) it's a pan. b) it's solid. c) it's steel!

I watched that vid with my jaw on the ground. How anyone can be this stupid I don't know.
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Old 17th June 2011, 09:08 AM   #328
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I love the way he taps the pan on the work top as if it's a kind of proof that a) it's a pan. b) it's solid. c) it's steel!

I watched that vid with my jaw on the ground. How anyone can be this stupid I don't know.
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Cap't "Tiffany" Bob Balsamo fits right in to your description. His latest claim? The Pentagon 757 should have exhibited "clockwise damage" in its pattern of destruction since the right wingtip hit the building first.
What a freaking moron. The plane was described as being in a left bank. This means that the aircraft was rotating counter-clockwise So Captain Bobby expects the wall to reverse the rotation of the aircraft now? When weed is legalized, they had best keep whatever Bobby is smoking illegal. There is a limit to how badly we can let people damage their brains wihtout its having negative consequences for society.
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I wonder if Dave will pounce on you for mostly agreeing and essentially phrasing it the same way I did, namely: "Most fires in steel framed structures do cause some thermal expansion." This is what I stated I simply suspected.

Also, you've proven to be one of the more calm and civil posters I've encountered here, so we can have a productive discussion absent the invenctive, regardless of your unfortunate baseball loyalties.

I don't think I can restate it any more possible ways that I'm not contesting whether thermal expansion occurred in WTC 7, I'm questioning whether it resulted in what NIST said, since as you pointed out, thermal expansion happens in fires, why did it bring the bldg down in this one, since it's never brought a steel framed high rise down before?

My final point on this is that you are suggesting that the fires burned for 7 hours, do you actually think it burned in one location for that long? Of course it didn't so why suggest that the fires burned twice their rating, when the fire had to move around the floors to consume more fuel?
Most steel buildings are not built of sub stations and designed with large transfer beams / trusses that concentrate loads to a few columns.
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I wonder if Dave will pounce on you for mostly agreeing and essentially phrasing it the same way I did, namely: "Most fires in steel framed structures do cause some thermal expansion." This is what I stated I simply suspected.
Sorry, I missed this. Tri, since RedIbis wants me to be strictly consistent, I'll make the same point: any fire in a steel framed structure will cause some heating of the steel, and any heating of the steel will cause some thermal expansion. It may be too little to cause any structural problems, in which case it's perfectly reasonable for you to ignore it because it's of no relevance to how you choose to fight the fire; it may even be too little to measure. But it's inaccurate to say that some, or most, fires in steel structures will cause thermal expansion; any and all of them will cause at least some expansion.

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Old 28th June 2011, 03:22 AM   #335
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I recently got asked if I had considered the possibility that WTC 7 had been pumped full of water, and that's why we heard no explosions, I kid you not.
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I recently got asked if I had considered the possibility that WTC 7 had been pumped full of water, and that's why we heard no explosions, I kid you not.
Please tell me you've got a link. Please. It's a perfect candidate for the Stundies.

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Linkey please? ( I think fly should get first dibs on a stundie. He would almost be a shoe-in for first prize. )
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I recently got asked if I had considered the possibility that WTC 7 had been pumped full of water, and that's why we heard no explosions, I kid you not.
That makes sense. If you were somehow able to fill it with water, it would collapse on its own...no explosives needed!
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Linkey please? ( I think fly should get first dibs on a stundie. He would almost be a shoe-in for first prize. )

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That makes sense. If you were somehow able to fill it with water, it would collapse on its own...no explosives needed!
Hydro-thermite!
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That this guy owns a gas stove and hasn't blown up his home yet is astonishing.
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Hydro-thermite!
Ah, but if you could fill it with used yeast extract and spread it on toast, it would be Vegethermite!
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Ah, but if you could fill it with used yeast extract and spread it on toast, it would be Vegethermite!
Even better - you could spread it on bread, and it would toast it for you.

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Even better - you could spread it on bread, and it would toast it for you.

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Now all we have to do is investigoogle how much energy per area unit a toaster applies to toast, then we can quickly calculate hiw thinly it needs to be spread

Let me do that quickly:
- A toaster toasts 4 leafs of bread in one go. That's 8 surfaces. Each surface is about 150cm2 (12.5x12.5, roughly estimated). So that's 1200cm2 toasted surface total.
- A toaster uses 1000W, full power.
-> That's 0.8W/cm2
- A toaster toasts for what - 100 seconds?
-> Toasts need 80J/cm2 to get toasted

- Nanothermite has an energy density of 1.5kJ/g
- Stochiastic thermite, perfectly packed, has a density of 4.2g/cm3.
-> energy density by volume is about 6300J/cm3

Now, to get 80J/cm2, a layer of spread nanothermite would have to be 80cm/6300 or 0.13mm = 130micron thin.
One might well argue that applying the heat directly to the toast is more efficient than the radiation a toaster applies from a few mm away, so let's be generous and say:

To get nicely toasted bread, you need to spread a layer of nanothermite 50 microns thin on it.

Have such layers of paintable nanothermite been found? Let's ask Harrit and the bunch, or rather look at page 9 of their paper:
Originally Posted by Harrit, Jones and friends
Thicknesses vary from roughly 10 to 100 microns for each layer (red and gray).
The conclusion is inevitable:

The red-gray chips are proof of the NWO's attempt to toast bread by nefarious means!
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Ah, but if you could fill it with used yeast extract and spread it on toast, it would be Vegethermite!
I prefer the original nano version - marmite

I did a (not very good) cartoon on the theme.
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That makes sense. If you were somehow able to fill it with water, it would collapse on its own...no explosives needed!
I think you're onto something. After you pump the place full of water, you could unleash the trained piranha to tear the place down. Or better yet, fill it full of chickens and make chicken soup, which as we know is very destructive to microbes in your body so it would probably work equally well at destroying steel beams (truther logic). Maybe that's what Silverstein meant when he said "pullet."
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...Or better yet, fill it full of chickens and make chicken soup, which as we know is very destructive to microbes in your body so it would probably work equally well at destroying steel beams (truther logic). Maybe that's what Silverstein meant when he said "pullet."
I lol'ed
But it's "poulet" (Yeah, I know, truthers wouldn't know what that is )
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From Screw Loose Change's comments;
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Have you ever filled a bottle from a hose? If you can do that, you can drill a hole in a box column and spray thermite inside. Take iron oxide primer paint and mix in aluminum glitter powder (sold in paint stores) and you have sprayable thermite.
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Wrong thread. That goes here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=213102
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That makes sense. If you were somehow able to fill it with water, it would collapse on its own...no explosives needed!
As a window maker I can guarantee such cannot happen.
Windows are designed to keep weather out not to keep water contained
how much water would it would take to 'fill' a building and that weight involved.
Another "but surely the occupants of the building would have noticed"
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What about the guy who actually saw a steel pylon melting?
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Orbital death rays, directed ultra-sonics, magnetic thermite, UFO crash landing... at this point there isn't much I haven't heard that wouldn't take the cake were the cake not a lie.

But yeah, the UFO crash landing one is the most unique theory I ever heard.
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As a window maker I can guarantee such cannot happen.
Windows are designed to keep weather out not to keep water contained
how much water would it would take to 'fill' a building and that weight involved.
Another "but surely the occupants of the building would have noticed"
The "weight" would be irrelevant. The outward pressure on the lobby windows would be about 600 psi. (A 10 foot x 1 inch column of water exerts ~4.4 psi at it's base).
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Blast windows. That's all I am saying.
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To put it into perspective that's about 43 tons of pressure per square foot.
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Old 1st February 2012, 08:25 AM   #360
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Sorry to drag out a six-month-dead thread, but I had a new one come up that I hadn't heard before and I thought it was worth sharing.

I accused you tube user quez76 of being a no-planer because he brought up the "nose out" video. Here was his response:

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i never said planes didnt hit the towers, im saying it wasnt the planes the news said it was...
So this bastion of academia believes the news media used fake footage of a plane hitting the WTC......
on a day when a plane hit the WTC!

Now, I kind of thought that would be the end of it. I thought pointing out how ridiculous and devoid of any logic this is, and how this "fake" footage just happened to coincide with every one who saw the plane impact the Tower, he would fold his cards and leave the table. But no! As I was writing this, here was his response:

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what the hell are you talking about? you cant speak for what everyone saw, they dont even know what hit the buildings. one person says this, the other person says that. all im saying is there are some fake footages, why? i dont why, but there are,
Now he is completely dismissing the thousands of live people who witnessed the plane impact the building!

There is a reason I do not engage no-planers and this is it. But I have never before had a no-planer who thought planes hit the buildings! This poor individual is completely mixed up in his thought process. I thought it was worth sharing.
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