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Tags "A Wilderness of Error" , "Fatal Vision" , errol morris , Jeffrey MacDonald , Joe MacGinniss , murder cases

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Old 14th November 2018, 02:17 PM   #721
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No Shame

HENRIETTA: You have no shame. The "damn good chap" you refer to inflicted the following injuries to a pregnant woman and two small children.

Colette MacDonald sustained severe blunt trauma injuries to her head and arms. She was struck at least six times in the head with a blunt object, resulting in lacerations to her right temple, left temple, forehead, and on top of her head. All of these lacerations were deep enough to expose bone.
She also received two blows under her chin resulting in extensive bruising to the left front chin area and the right front chin area.

There was a small fracture in the midline portion of Colette's skull. The blunt trauma injuries to Colette's arms were defensive-type wounds. Colette's right wrist was fractured and the inner aspect of her upper arm bore an extensive bruise and a superficial abrasion. The fingers and hand of her right arm had extensive black and blue marks associated with abrasions. Her left arm was also fractured in two places.

Colette sustained nine deep knife wounds at the front of her neck, seven deep knife wounds to her chest, and 21 puncture wounds to her chest area. Colette's chest also bore a pattern bruise which indicated she had been struck at arm's length by a bayonet-type thrust with the end of a blunt object.

Kimberley MacDonald was struck at least three times in the head with a blunt object. The first blow resulted in her blood being spattered on the door frame leading to the master bedroom. Kimberley's right cheek, right ear, and right mastoid area had overlapping black and blue marks and irregular abrasions.

Her right eye was recessed and she had a fractured nose which was deviated to the right. Her left cheekbone was fractured and a piece of the cheekbone was protruding through the skin. Kimberley's skull showed multiple fractures and the dome portion of her skull was fractured through its entire thickness, and slightly dislocated. Eight to 10 deep knife wounds were found on the right side of her neck.

Kristen MacDonald sustained 12 gaping knife wounds to her upper back, four wounds to the chest, and one wound to the neck. Two of the wounds to her back penetrated her heart, causing massive internal bleeding. Fifteen shallow puncture wounds were found in her chest as well as multiple cuts on both of her hands.

There was a through-and-through laceration of the skin involving the middle of the right ring finger. This laceration was deep enough to expose bone and the index finger of the right hand revealed a triangular flap of skin.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

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Old 15th November 2018, 03:18 AM   #722
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HENRIETTA: You have no shame. The "damn good chap" you refer to inflicted the following injuries to a pregnant woman and two small children.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
That's strained logic. You are ASSUMING that he did it and ignoring the rules of evidence and procedure and disregarding leads and suspects. For one thing if any bodies were moved by a faint possibility, as Helena Stoeckley may have suggested once, there isn't a shred of evidence they were moved by MacDonald.

This sort of thing was mentioned in an old book called English Justice by a police court solicitor published in 1932:

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A man who is convicted, even though guilty, merely on suspicion without having the case against him proved, will cherish resentment even more bitterly than will an innocent man. Those who hear the trial and don't know him to be guilty, will be satisfied that there has been a miscarriage of justice and will lose the confidence in our courts which is essential to security. Worst of all, the admission of irregularities into the trial of a guilty man will infallibly lead to similar things taking place when innocent men come before the Court.
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Old 15th November 2018, 09:28 AM   #723
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HENRIETTA: I assume nothing, but the combined work of the CID, FBI, and DOJ does allow me to infer the following.

In the early morning hours of February 17, 1970, Colette and Jeffrey MacDonald get into a heated argument in the master bedroom. The verbal confrontation escalates and MacDonald punches Colette in the face. Colette grabs a hairbrush and uses it to strike her husband over the left eye. The area over MacDonald's left eye begins to bruise and swell. Colette then touches her bloody face with her hand, unaware that her husband's anger was about to turn into blind rage. Instinctively, she reaches out and grabs her husband's pajama top by the yoke or front portion of the top and as they grapple, some of the blood from Colette's face spatters on her husband's pajama top.

Colette pulls straight down on the front portion of the pajama top as her husband spins to his right resulting in a 72-inch tear down the left front seam and left sleeve. This tearing action bisects four stains on the pajama top formed in Colette's blood. The stains are located on the left front seam, left shoulder, left sleeve, and left cuff. In the process of pulling down the left front seam of the pajama top, Colette's bloody hand comes in direct contact with the pocket resulting in her blood being found on the face of the pocket in six locations before the pocket was torn from the garment. During this grappling phase, Colette has also managed to use her left hand to rip out a hair from her husband's exposed left arm.

Once the tearing of the top is complete, dozens of fibers from the left front seam and left sleeve fall to the carpet in the master bedroom. The pocket from the pajama top is completely dislodged from the garment and falls on to the upturned portion of a throw rug. The shifting of Colette's and MacDonald's feet during this "death dance" causes eight throw rug fibers and seven pajama fibers to become entangled under the throw rug.

MacDonald hits Colette in the face a second time in order to free himself from her grasp. He grabs a wooden club that was holding up a corner portion of the master bed footboard and thrusts one end of the club into Colette's chest. This thrusting motion formed a large pattern bruise on his wife's chest.

Kimberley entered the master bedroom and her father immediately turned and hit his daughter with the club on the left side of her face. This savage blow resulted in Kimberley's blood being spattered on the master bedroom door frame and she immediately falls to the floor near the entrance to the master bedroom. Blood from Kimberley's broken nose and a gaping wound on her shattered left cheekbone forms a six-inch circle of blood near the entrance to the master bedroom.

Colette obtained the Geneva Forge knife and slashed her husband's abdomen resulting in an upside down "V" laceration. MacDonald retaliated with two brutal blows with the club to Colette's head. One blow struck Colette on the left temple and the other on the right temple. Both blows tore her skin down to the bone and spattered her blood inside the closet, on the carpet near the footboard of the master bed, and on top of the master bed. Colette was knocked unconscious by these two blows and she came to rest on the master bedroom floor between the closet and the footboard.

MacDonald assumes that his wife and daughter are dead or near death. He strips the blue bedsheet and the multi-colored bedspread from the master bed, and 22 fibers from his torn pajama top disperse on to the bottom sheet. He picks up Kimberley in the blue bedsheet and begins to carry her back to her bedroom. The direct contact between MacDonald and Kimberley results in a transfer of Kimberley's blood to MacDonald's pajama top, and to the blue bedsheet. As he transports Kimberley in the bedsheet, her blood drips on to the hallway floor.

MacDonald places Kimberley in her bed and begins to adjust her body in a sleeping position. During this adjustment process, 14 fibers from his torn pajama top fall on top of her bed, a single pajama fiber is moved under her pillow, and a twenty-inch yarn from his pajama top falls on top of that same pillow. MacDonald then obtains the club and strikes Kimberley with two brutal blows on the right side of her face. Cast-off blood from both Colette and Kimberley is sprayed on the wall, and Kimberley's blood is spattered on to the ceiling. He then covers Kimberley's body with her blanket and bedcovers.

MacDonald decides to go into the kitchen area to retrieve the Old Hickory knife. He paces in the kitchen, leaving behind minute traces of blood on top of the kitchen stove, south kitchen wall, northwest corner of the kitchen wall, on top of the stove, and on the refrigerator door handle. He also leaves minute traces of blood on a pair of oven mitts and a pair of dish gloves.

MacDonald walks into Kristen's room and stabs her in the chest as she lay in her bed. Kristen thrusts her hands out to defend herself, resulting in a fiber from her father's pajama top being lodged under her fingernail and several knife cuts on her hands. MacDonald then grabs Kristen by the collar portion of her pajama top and pulls her face down towards the edge of her bed. He stabs her in the back 12 times with such force that two of the stab wounds penetrate her heart. He places his daughter back into a sleeping postion on her bed, two fibers from his torn pajama top fall within her body outline, and he subsequently places the top sheet over a portion of her body.

MacDonald decides to launder the blue bedsheet in the kitchen. As he enters the dining room, he hears Colette stagger into Kristen's room and he drops the bedsheet on to the dining room floor. Colette briefly touches Kristen's body, transferring small traces of Kristen's blood to her hands. MacDonald enters Kristen's room with club in hand. Colette turns to face her husband and he hits her under the chin with the club. The force of the blow lifts Colette off of her feet and propels her over Kristen's inert body. Colette lands in a semi-seated position in the left hand corner of Kristen's bed near the headboard. Colette places her arms in front of her face in an attempt to ward off the overhand blows from the club. Colette's arms are shattered and she receives two more vicious blows to her head. One of the blows fractures her skull. Cast-off blood from Colette is sprayed on the wall, her upper body slumps forward, and she bleeds directly on Kristen's bottom sheet.

He rests the club on Kristen's green bedspread and Kimberley's blood transfers from the club to the bedspread. MacDonald then goes into the living room to read the Esquire magazine article on the Manson murders. He leaves a bloody smudge on the leading edge of the magazine as he begins leafing through the article. MacDonald puts his glasses on to read the article, he transfers a small amount of Kristen's blood to his glasses, and then tosses the glasses under the window after he is through with the article. MacDonald then stacks some magazines and children's games on the living room floor. He places the Esquire magazine under a box containing a child's game, and tips the living room coffee table on its side. The coffee table ends up resting on top of that box.

MacDonald picks up the blue bedsheet from the dining room floor, blood on the bedsheet from Colette and Kimberley leaves smudge marks on the floor, and MacDonald retrieves the multi-colored bedspread from the master bedroom. MacDonald places the multi-colored bedspread on the floor in Kristen's room and goes back to the kitchen to obtain surgeon's gloves and an ice pick. The surgeon's gloves are located under the sink and in the process of bending down to open the sink cabinet, blood from MacDonald's abdominal wound drips on to the kitchen floor. He also leaves a minute trace of blood on the inside of the sink cabinet.

MacDonald lifts Colette's body off of Kristen's bed, blood from Colette's body drips on to the sheet covering Kristen's body at hip level, and he places his wife face down on the multi-colored bedspread. He then places the blue bedsheet over her back, rolls her body slightly, and picks her up in the bedsheet in a cradle position. The bedsheet and bedspread both contain massive direct bleeding stains from Colette. Blood from MacDonald's and Colette's pajama cuffs form bloody fabric impressions on the blue bedsheet. MacDonald also leaves two bloody handprint impressions, a chin impression, and a bare left shoulder impression on the bedsheet.

In addition to the bloody fabric and non-fabric impressions on the blue bedsheet, MacDonald has transferred a bloody head hair from Kimberley and a bloody head hair from Colette to the multi-colored bedspread. Colette's bloody head hair was entwined with a fiber from MacDonald's pajama top, indicating direct contact. A forcibly removed body hair from Colette was also found on the blue bedsheet. In the process of transporting Colette's body, MacDonald steps on a corner portion of the bedspread which contaminates his feet with Colette's blood. He then forms three bloody footprints as he exits Kristen's room with Colette's body.

MacDonald places Colette on the master bedroom floor, and one of the surgeon's gloves that he is wearing begins to come apart. He has unknowingly set his wife's body down on top of 24 pajama fibers. Once he has Colette in a supine position, he sets the bedsheet aside and obtains the club. He raises the club over his head, cast-off blood from the club spatters on the ceiling, and MacDonald strikes Colette with a blow that lands just above her hairline. He sets the club down on the carpet and two pajama seam threads from his pajama top adhere to the club in Colette's blood. The seam threads were located near the upturned throw rug in the master bedroom.

MacDonald goes into Kimberley's room with the Old Hickory knife and repeatedly stabs her in the neck. He then takes the ice pick into Kristen's room and inflicts multiple wounds on his daughter's dead body. MacDonald picks up the multi-colored bedspread from Kristen's floor and brings it to the master bedroom. He balls up the bedsheet with the bedspread and a piece of surgeon's glove mixes in with the bedding. MacDonald stabs Colette in the chest and neck with the Old Hickory knife, places his pajama top over Colette's chest, and stabs her 21 times through his pajama top with the ice pick. He bends down to place a Hilton Hotel bathmat over Colette's abdomen, creating a small tear in the crotch of his pajama bottoms, and he wipes the ice pick and Old Hickory knife on the bathmat.

MacDonald walks to the back door with weapons in hand, tosses the club a few feet from the door, and tosses the ice pick and Old Hickory knife under a bush. He goes back into the master bedroom, uses the surgeon's glove on his right hand to write the word PIG on the headboard of the master bed, and a fiber from his pajama bottoms falls to the floor near the headboard. He flushes the remaining portions of the surgeon's gloves down the toilet, places a suitcase near the right hand corner of the master bed footboard, and obtains a disposable scalpel blade from the hallway closet. He leaves traces of his blood on the face of the hallway closet door and proceeds to go into the bathroom.

MacDonald then stabs himself in the right side of his chest with the scalpel blade resulting in his blood dripping on to the front and right side of the bathroom sink. He takes some time to gather himself both mentally and physically before calling for assistance. MacDonald's phone calls were logged at 3:40 a.m. and 3:42 a.m.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

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Old 16th November 2018, 02:53 AM   #724
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HENRIETTA: I assume nothing, but the combined work of the CID, FBI, and DOJ does allow me to infer the following.

In the early morning hours of February 17, 1970, Colette and Jeffrey MacDonald get into a heated argument in the master bedroom. The verbal confrontation escalates and MacDonald punches Colette in the face. Colette grabs a hairbrush and uses it to strike her husband over the left eye. The area over MacDonald's left eye begins to bruise and swell. Colette then touches her bloody face with her hand, unaware that her husband's anger was about to turn into blind rage. http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
There are irregularities in that. Colette struck Macdonald with a piece of rock from outer space, not a hairbrush. MacDonald was then about to be taken by alien abduction and the children then committed suicide. It's like having it explained exactly what happened by a thick Irishman, or shady layer, or an amateur lawyer. You sound like Shaw or Kearns with their theories without facts about the MacDonald case.
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Old 16th November 2018, 05:38 AM   #725
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MacDonald is a damn good chap.
No, he is not. IN FACT he is a cowardly, vicious, sociopathic ba$tard that slaughtered his family and then tried to blame somebody else. Despite the overwhelming evidence that he indeed butchered his family he still cries and whines about his fate that he earned. Luckily there are not that many people who buy into his phoney baloney.

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It seems to be quite easy to get away with murder in America and then blame it all on somebody who is completely innocent.
No, in fact it is NOT easy to murder someone and make it look as if a different person was responsible (unless 1st look counts) because the forensic evidence doesn't lie and that includes the DNA that proved AGAIN that inmate slaughtered his family. stamping your feet and throwing a temper tantrum because we all know better is a waste of time.

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The juries in America seem to be like a lot of ten year olds.
Pretty damn smart 10 year olds!

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There needs to be some good murder investigators on these difficult murders.
The murders are investigated. Your problem is that you don't want to believe your sweetheart inmate is guilty. the FACTS have proven it again and again.
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Old 17th November 2018, 03:36 AM   #726
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The murders are investigated. Your problem is that you don't want to believe your sweetheart inmate is guilty. the FACTS have proven it again and again.
That's ridiculous indignation. The job of a jury and judge in a fair trial is to make sure that the innocent are not convicted and that the guilty do not go free. I agree that judges are human, but they must not have corrupt bias as in the MacDonald case. I also agree that juries can be useful in helping judges come to a right judgment in a criminal trial, though many civil cases may be too complex and technical for an average jury. Prosecutors must not be legal tricksters, like Murtagh and Blackburn, and they must not fabricate and manufacture and withhold the forensic evidence like the Army CID lab and the FBI lab.

I also agree that the defense must not present false evidence and false testimony as well, and that the defense must also abide by the rules of evidence and procedure. That's only fair on the police and the victims. The defense in the MacDonald case followed the rules and regulations.

There is a bit about this sort of thing in that English Justice book published in 1932 by a police court solicitor:

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I was for the prosecution in a case of assault, and the prosecutrix and her two witnesses gave their evidence clearly and were unshaken in cross-examination. The hour, however was late, and the Chairman over eighty years of age. His colleagues were also advanced in years. The defence called four witnesses, who told contradictory stories easily torn to pieces in cross-examination. I enjoyed an easy task, and was much surprised when the bench retired to consider their decision. On their return the venerable Chairman announced that the evidence had been so conflicting that they were compelled to dismiss the case. The only conflict had been among the witnesses for the defence.
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Old 17th November 2018, 07:19 AM   #727
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HENRIETTA: Still waiting on that evidentiary item that was sourced to a member of the Stoeckley Seven. Speaking of evidentiary items, I have a few questions for ya. Considering that Colette's blood was found spattered on Kristen's wall, on top of Kristen's bed near the wall, formed the three bloody footprints found exiting Kristen's room, and formed bloody fabric impressions on the blue bedsheet...

QUESTION #1 Was Colette assaulted in Kristen's room and carried back to the master bedroom in the blue bedsheet?

QUESTION #2 If you answered yes to Question #1, who was the individual that carried Colette in the blue bedsheet?

QUESTION #3 If your answer is someone other than Jeffrey MacDonald, what piece or pieces of evidence links that individual to Colette's bloody pajamas and/or the bloody bedsheet?

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

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Old 17th November 2018, 09:48 AM   #728
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QUESTION #1 Was Colette assaulted in Kristen's room and carried back to the master bedroom in the blue bedsheet?
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
I can't copy what Shaw had to say about this matter at the Article 32 proceeding in 1970 because the Jeffrey MacDonald information website is now out of action. It seemed to boil down to the fact that Shaw didn't know. The most logical explanation from my point of view is what Helena Stoeckley was supposed to have said once that for some reason Kris and Colette were together in the master bedroom when they were murdered by Mitchell and Mazerolle and that Kris was then carried to her own bedroom dead which caused contamination with Colette's blood.

Shaw testified he didn't think Kris left her bed but he didn't know and it was conjecture. The point is that there is no real evidence that MacDonald knew what happened or that he carried any bodies anywhere.

Shaw was cross-examined about the matter if you scroll down towards the end:

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_ma...rt32_shaw.html

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Old 17th November 2018, 04:36 PM   #729
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HENRIETTA: So, you can't or won't answer any of the questions. Got it.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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Old 18th November 2018, 03:35 AM   #730
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HENRIETTA: So, you can't or won't answer any of the questions. Got it.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
The answer to your question 1 is "no". I don't believe Colette was assaulted in Kristen's bedroom. That's just guesswork and pure speculation. The problem is the blood contamination involved, but nobody can be certain that Kristen never left her bed as Shaw seemed to be at the Article 32 proceeding. Anybody who knows for certain is now dead, like Mitchell and Stoeckley and Cathy Perry or they are categorically denying they were involved like Mazerolle and Don Harris and Dwight Smith. The clothing they were wearing that night should have immediately been seized to search for bloodstains before it was lost forever.

There is a sensible website at:

http://whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thr...ngly-convicted

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But others still steadfastly believe she was involved in the murders. Stoeckley’s mother gave a statement to MacDonald’s lawyers in 2007 in which she admitted her daughter had confessed to the murders shortly before dying of cirrhosis in 1983. “My sister knew her time was short,” adds Stockely’s brother Gene, 57. “She told my mom, ‘Jeffrey MacDonald is not guilty of the crimes.’” (Prosecutors indicate Stoeckley’s mother later told an FBI investigator that her daughter “loved children and could never hurt one.”)

MacDonald’s defense tem also points to a 2005 statement by retired U.S. Marshall Jimmy Britt, who alleged that former prosecutor Jim Blackburn threatened to charge Stoeckley with murder if she testified to involvement in the MacDonald killings. (Blackburn, who pleaded guilty to fraud, embezzlement and other felonies in an unrelated case in 1993, denies this, and prosecutors maintain that Britt gave conflicting statements about Stoeckley.) Stoeckley’s boyfriend Mitchell, who matched the description MacDonald provided of one of the intruders, also allegedly confessed many times before his death in June 1982. “Greg just started crying and said to me, ‘Jeff is not the one that killed his family. We did it,’” says Donald Buffkin, 58, a friend of Mitchell’s who came forward in may 2003. “I think he was sick and didn’t want to carry it with him.” (Mitchell denied his involvement in the murders to the CID in 1971.)

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Old 18th November 2018, 08:17 AM   #731
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HENRIETTA: I didn't think you could top yourself, but I was wrong. I get that you and other MacDonald advocates have the impossible task of providing a non-inculpatory explanation for the presence of Colette's blood in Kristen's room. You, however, are the ONLY advocate to ever postulate that Colette was not assaulted in Kristen's room. I'll be a nice guy and not produce a list of the evidence found in Kristen's room. Why? Well, because producing such a list would prove that you enjoy being the lone contrarian and/or you have a fixed delusion.

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Old 18th November 2018, 09:29 AM   #732
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HENRIETTA: I didn't think you could top yourself, but I was wrong. I get that you and other MacDonald advocates have the impossible task of providing a non-inculpatory explanation for the presence of Colette's blood in Kristen's room. You, however, are the ONLY advocate to ever postulate that Colette was not assaulted in Kristen's room. I'll be a nice guy and not produce a list of the evidence found in Kristen's room. Why? Well, because producing such a list would prove that you enjoy being the lone contrarian and/or you have a fixed delusion.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
It's not just me who thinks there is a logical explanation for the blood types in Kristen's bedroom . The Army CID had a wild and wonderful theory without facts that Colette murdered one of the little girls and then MacDonald somehow moved bodies to their resting place. It's pathetic. Colonel Rock explained the matter after the Article 32 proceeding in 1970, and he had right judgment:

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_ma...rt32_rock.html

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(5) The accused's statements from 17 February to his sworn Article 32 testimony, relative to the events of 16 - 17 February have been substantially the same in all important aspects. Explanation for any discrepancies are logical based on the testimony of the psychiatric experts, the time factor, his natural attempt to forget the horrible sights of 17 February, normal human failure to remember routine actions and the confusion following the blow to his head.

(6) There is, generally speaking, a logical explanation for the location of blood types where found.

(7) After listening to the lengthy testimony of the accused in the hearing room and closely observing his actions and manner of answering questions it is the opinion of the Investigating Officer that he was telling the truth.

(8) Medical laboratory tests conducted on specimens from Colette MacDonald and the accused revealed no use of narcotics or habit forming drugs nor was either individual intoxicated on 16 - 17 February 1970.

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Old 18th November 2018, 06:25 PM   #733
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Sticking Your Chin Out

HENRIETTA: It appears that you are bound and determined to stick your chin out. My philosophy is that once you stick your chin out, you're going to get hit.

Colette's Type B blood

•Two direct bleeding stains found on top of Kristen's bed
•Blood spatter found on Kristen's wall next to her bed
•Formation of Jeffrey MacDonald's left footprint found exiting Kristen's room

The only salient explanation for the two direct bleeding stains was Colette being in a sitting position near the left hand corner of Kristen's bed. Colette's slumped head bled out and deposited the two stains on Kristen's top sheet.

Analysis of the blood spatter pattern on Kristen's wall indicates that the wielder of the club was swinging the weapon in a downward motion.

Analysis of the bloody footprints found exiting Kristen's room indicates that the source of the footprints was carrying something heavy.

Again, by ignoring this concrete evidence, your posts point to you having a fixed delusion and/or embracing the role of the lone contrarian.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

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Old Yesterday, 05:57 AM   #734
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HENRIETTA: It appears that you are bound and determined to stick your chin out. My philosophy is that once you stick your chin out, you're going to get hit.
he had it coming

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Colette's Type B blood
JTF henrietta must have gotten you all turned around because Colette's blood type is Type A and the stains you mentioned were all in Type A blood.

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•Two direct bleeding stains found on top of Kristen's bed
•Blood spatter found on Kristen's wall next to her bed
•Formation of Jeffrey MacDonald's left footprint found exiting Kristen's room
ALL OF THESE STAINS WERE IN COLETTE'S TYPE A BLOOD

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The only salient explanation for the two direct bleeding stains was Colette being in a sitting position near the left hand corner of Kristen's bed. Colette's slumped head bled out and deposited the two stains on Kristen's top sheet.
EXACTLY

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Analysis of the blood spatter pattern on Kristen's wall indicates that the wielder of the club was swinging the weapon in a downward motion.
Scientifically correct......

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Analysis of the bloody footprints found exiting Kristen's room indicates that the source of the footprints was carrying something heavy.
Again, scientifically correct.....

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Again, by ignoring this concrete evidence, your posts point to you having a fixed delusion and/or embracing the role of the lone contrarian.
he either ignores the truth or he is determined to be the biggest troll on the forums....
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
That's ridiculous indignation.
I am not at all sure what you mean by this comment.....I am not sure you understand either word, personally....

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The job of a jury and judge in a fair trial is to make sure that the innocent are not convicted and that the guilty do not go free.
Yes, and in this case that is EXACTLY what happened. The guilty bastard was convicted and he did not go free.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I agree that judges are human, but they must not have corrupt bias as in the MacDonald case.
Well, isn't that interesting. Since there WAS NO BIAS it certainly couldn't have been "corrupt".....

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I also agree that juries can be useful in helping judges come to a right judgment in a criminal trial, though many civil cases may be too complex and technical for an average jury.
How nice of you to accept the premises of our justice systems.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Prosecutors must not be legal tricksters, like Murtagh and Blackburn,
neither Murtagh or Blackburn were "legal tricksters" and while I KNOW you don't want to hear it but Murtagh is one damned good lawyer and he knocked Mr. Bernie "arrogant histrionic" Segal down a peg or two and he saw right through the lying sack of ***** - inmate.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
and they must not fabricate and manufacture and withhold the forensic evidence like the Army CID lab and the FBI lab.
Well then it is a GOOD THING that they did not manufacture nor withhold evidence.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I also agree that the defense must not present false evidence and false testimony as well,
Too bad Bernie Segal apparently didn't agree and that is why he pushed a poor addict over and over showing her crime scene
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
photos and all other sorts of shady shananigans to try and get her to confess on the stand to things she did not do.

and that the defense must also abide by the rules of evidence and procedure. That's only fair on the police and the victims. The defense in the MacDonald case followed the rules and regulations.
Wade Smith followed the rules and regulations....I think there is a good argument showing that Bernie Segal did not follow them to the letter of the law.
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