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Old 13th September 2021, 11:59 PM   #1681
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
More like? Pretty sure that ship sailed.
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Old 14th September 2021, 12:03 AM   #1682
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There is no Trump cult!
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Old 14th September 2021, 04:48 AM   #1683
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
There is no Trump cult!
Is that real or photoshop? Where is it?

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Old 14th September 2021, 05:07 AM   #1684
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Is that real or photoshop? Where is it?

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Apparently real.

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According to Dan Landrum, another Twitter user, the billboard has been put up near the city of Fort Oglethorpe in Georgia.
https://www.newsweek.com/billboard-h...eorgia-1628789
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Old 14th September 2021, 05:16 AM   #1685
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Is that real or photoshop? Where is it?

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Apparently, it is near the city of Fort Oglethorpe in Georgia. It was featured in Newsweek and WAPO and likely elsewhere

Ironic that the company name at the bottom of the poster is "Reagan".
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:22 AM   #1686
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Trouble with that is that "Trump" and "Fearless" are antonyms.
Quite.
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:50 AM   #1687
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Apparently, it is near the city of Fort Oglethorpe in Georgia. It was featured in Newsweek and WAPO and likely elsewhere

Ironic that the company name at the bottom of the poster is "Reagan".
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:59 AM   #1688
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Apparently, it is near the city of Fort Oglethorpe in Georgia. It was featured in Newsweek and WAPO and likely elsewhere.
The REAL T**** Derangement Syndrome.
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:13 AM   #1689
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
The REAL T**** Derangement Syndrome.
Agreed. I don't think its our heads that "Trump is living in, rent free, trollollololo"
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:28 AM   #1690
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Agreed. I don't think its our heads that "Trump is living in, rent free, trollollololo"

On another forum, I saw a discussion of which celebrity could replace Elvis as the big subject of professional celebrity impersonators once enough time has passed and enough people have gotten old and died that the memory of his fame has faded. I'm now picturing professional Trump impersonators attending classes on how to dress and act like Trump. There will be different styles of Trump impersonators, just like some people impersonate young Elvis and others impersonate Vegas Elvis. Some will choose `80s Trump, some will choose Apprentice Trump, while others choose Politician Trump. They would probably be in New York City and Atlantic City instead of Vegas. Maybe DC and Palm Beach too. Performing and posing for pictures with tourists to get money from them, grifting on a smaller scale.
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:35 AM   #1691
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//Minor hijack//

Trump, for some reason and in despite of his parody-ready look and persona is SUPER hard to actually "nail" an impression/replication of.

Madame Tussand, who's Mark Zuckerburg looks 1,000% more human than the actual Mark Zuckerburg, couldn't make a wax figure of Trump look like Trump. Ditto Disney's Hall of President. Ditto everyone who's tried to play Trump in a movie.

I've seen more caricatures of Trump then I care to count. I don't know if I've seen an actual good "impression" of him.
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CNN: General Milley was worried Trump would "go rogue" in the final days of his Presidency, took steps to safeguard nuclear weapons.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/polit...ear/index.html
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Old 14th September 2021, 10:25 AM   #1693
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
CNN: General Milley was worried Trump would "go rogue" in the final days of his Presidency, took steps to safeguard nuclear weapons.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/polit...ear/index.html
There is no doubt that Trump is crazy and dangerous. He has lost his grip on reality and has a persecution complex. He's gone full Queeg.

According to Peril,Pelosi and Milley agreed that T was "crazy". Milley actually was so worried about T that he put in a top secret order that no one obey a command from Trump re nuclear weapons without his seeing it first.

In the book, Woodward describes Trump pressuring Pence the night of Jan. 5 not to certify the results and that he told him "If you don't do this, I won't be your friend anymore," which is something a little kid would say. This is unsurprising as T has the emotional maturity of a child...a disturbed child.

To think that there a people who not only support this crazy and dangerous ****show of a man but think he's the greatest POTUS ever is equally nuts. But they exist in large numbers. I know it's not popular to bring up Hitler and Mussolini but, my God, how can we not? Their same blind devotion to an authoritarian, power hungry narcissist who will do anything to retain power is unbelievable.

ETA: From "Yahoo":

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According to the book, Milley was so worried that Trump would spark a military confrontation with China near the end of his presidency that he called his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng, twice to assure him that the US would not strike.

Milley's conversations with Li and Pelosi were evidence of his belief that Trump had suffered a mental decline after the November general election, the book said.

Indeed, Milley repeatedly slammed Trump's lies about the election and once even compared him to Adolf Hitler, according to "I Alone Can Fix It," by The Post's Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker.

Milley accused Trump of spreading "the gospel of the Führer" by lying about the election results and compared his supporters to "Brownshirts in the streets," the book said. A week after the Capitol riot, Milley said of the pro-Trump mob, "These guys are Nazis, they're boogaloo boys, they're Proud Boys. These are the same people we fought in World War II."

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Old 14th September 2021, 01:20 PM   #1694
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Gpd help the world if Trump gets back in again, He will try to get even with anybody who he thinks cost him the election,including, I suspect, many forreign governments.
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Old 14th September 2021, 01:34 PM   #1695
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Just in the interests of accuracy, I'd like to point out that what the article claims is a "misquote" of "what is purported to be a Bible quote from Romans 8:17" is, in fact, a misattribution by Newsweek of the "unto us a son is given" to that Romans source. The line just above the attribution to Romans says "Joint Heirs," which is, as near as I can tell, a defined Christian doctrine that "[b]ecause we are God’s children, we are also God’s heirs, thus joint heirs with Christ" (from Lavender Vines, a fundie site, so take off those thinking caps)- and the biblical authority for that doctrine is the Romans 8:17 reference. Apparently, whoever paid for the sign subscribes to that particular belief.
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Old 14th September 2021, 01:41 PM   #1696
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Considering that passage is a clear and direct prophecy of the coming of Jesus, not T****, looks like a Lin Wood effort there.
Actually, it probably praises king Hezekiah, who was quite popular in his time. The early Christians stole stuff from Isaiah and claimed it to be prophecies about Jesus. Now the Trump fans are doing something similar.
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Old 14th September 2021, 02:04 PM   #1697
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Surprise that Trump is Jesus billboard is in Marjorie Taylor Green's district...
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Old 14th September 2021, 02:36 PM   #1698
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Surprise that Trump is Jesus billboard is in Marjorie Taylor Green's district...
Does that make MTG Mary Magdalene?
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Old 14th September 2021, 02:45 PM   #1699
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More details from "Peril:"
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Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.”

The chairman knew that he was “pulling a Schlesinger,” the authors write, resorting to measures resembling the ones taken in August 1974 by James R. Schlesinger, the defense secretary at the time. Schlesinger told military officials to check with him and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs before carrying out orders from President Richard M. Nixon, who was facing impeachment at the time.

Though Milley went furthest in seeking to stave off a national security crisis, his alarm was shared throughout the highest ranks of the administration, the authors reveal. CIA Director Gina Haspel, for instance, reportedly told Milley, “We are on the way to a right-wing coup.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-milley-china/

This is what is often misunderstood. The President has sole authority to launch nuclear weapons. Nobody else can say "No you can't." The VP and the chiefs of staff are not part of the chain of command. If Trump had given direct orders to commanders, they would have had to either obey them or resign. That should scare everybody, and some people are trying do something about it.
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The U.S. President has sole authority to authorize the use of
U.S. nuclear weapons. This authority is inherent in his
constitutional role as Commander in Chief. The President
can seek counsel from his military advisors; those advisors
are then required to transmit and implement the orders
authorizing nuclear use. But, as General John Hyten, then
the Commander of U.S. Strategic Command
(STRATCOM), noted during his September 2016
confirmation hearing, his job is to give advice, while the
authority to order a launch lies with the President.

The President does not need the concurrence of either his
military advisors or the U.S. Congress to order the launch
of nuclear weapons. In addition, neither the military nor
Congress can overrule these orders.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10521

Also:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...arsenal-392522
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...arsenal-392522

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Old 14th September 2021, 02:48 PM   #1700
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
More details from "Peril:"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-milley-china/

This is what is often misunderstood. The President has sole authority to launch nuclear weapons. Nobody else can say "No you can't." The VP and the chiefs of staff are not part of the chain of command. If Trump had given direct orders to commanders, they would have had to either obey them or resign. That should scare everybody, and some people are trying do something about it.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10521

Also:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...arsenal-392522
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...arsenal-392522
Very scary, indeed. Especially with a nut case like Trump. Shudder.
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Very scary, indeed. Especially with a nut case like Trump. Shudder.

Here's something else to keep you awake.
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In 1985, the Soviet Union put into operation an emergency response system based on artificial intelligence. The system, officially called Perimeter but sometimes known as “Dead Hand,” can launch a retaliatory nuclear attack, otherwise known as a second strike. There is very little information on how Perimeter actually works, but it constantly monitors for incoming missiles and nuclear explosions. If it detects that an attack is underway, Perimeter will attempt to make contact with the nuclear suitcases and with designated nuclear bunkers. If it fails to reach any of these officials, only then will the system launch a nuclear attack.

Perimeter was eventually discovered by American officials and The New York Times referred to it as a “doomsday device” in a 1993 article. American RAND Corporation strategist Herman Kahn described the notion of a doomsday machine in his 1960 book On Thermonuclear War:

Assume that for, say, $10 billion we could build a device whose only function is to destroy all human life. The device is protected from enemy action (perhaps by being put thousands of feet underground) and then connected to a computer, which is in turn connected by a reliable communication system to hundreds of sensory devices all over the United States. The computer would then be programmed so that if, say, five nuclear bombs exploded over the United States, the device would be triggered and the Earth destroyed.

Kahn warned that such a device would be incredibly dangerous because it is “not sufficiently controllable.” Unlike Kahn’s fantasy, however, Perimeter does have at least some human oversight.

In 2012, Russian General Sergei Karakayev revealed that Perimeter is still operational today. “Yes, the ‘Perimeter’ system exists,” he said. “The system is on alert. If there’s a need for a retaliatory strike, the command for an attack may come from the system, not people.”
https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...ear-briefcases
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More like? Pretty sure that ship sailed.
Sailed, circumnavigated the globe, and has returned laden with exotic spices and fine silks.
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Old 14th September 2021, 03:16 PM   #1703
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Here's something else to keep you awake.

https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...ear-briefcases
I'm post-menopausal; I don't need anything else to keep me awake all night. But thanks, anyway!
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Thanks much.

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You are welcome. But given it is thousands of miles from me, I have no means to stand over it.

It appears to be real, not photoshop jobby job. Appears.

I have not examined it in depth, but at a glance it appears to be the real deal, absent the obvious "tells" that would give it away as fake.

Reagan Advertising declined to answer queries. Were that me in charge, I would be straight out stating it was a fake, with evidence. Reagan Advertising did not.

Make of that whatever you will.
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Old 14th September 2021, 04:31 PM   #1705
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Here's something else to keep you awake.

https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...ear-briefcases
That's precisely the premise behind Colossus:The Forbin Project. A favorite movie of mine I've seen any number of times.
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Does that make MTG Mary Magdalene?
Or the Scarlet Woman of Revalation?
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Here's something else to keep you awake.

https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...ear-briefcases
God, it's "Wargames" for real.....


"SHall we play a game".

Skynet in the Terminator films also comes to mind.
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Trumpers demanding that Miley resign or be court martialed for his "treason".
Accuse him of staging a "Military coup".
But we all know he real crime was not blindly obeying commands from Dear Leader. How dare he doubt Dear Leader?

Btw if a purpose of this leak was to get pre orders for "Peril" it worked in my case. I held off because I have read a couple of other books about Trump's last days in office, and wondered if Woodward could come up with enough new stuff to justify me purchasing it,but apparently he did and I preordered it on Kindle.
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Trumpers demanding that Miley resign or be court martialed for his "treason".
Accuse him of staging a "Military coup".
But we all know he real crime was not blindly obeying commands from Dear Leader. How dare he doubt Dear Leader?

Btw if a purpose of this leak was to get pre orders for "Peril" it worked in my case. I held off because I have read a couple of other books about Trump's last days in office, and wondered if Woodward could come up with enough new stuff to justify me purchasing it,but apparently he did and I preordered it on Kindle.
I suspect the scenario was not balking at a legit 2nd strike order, but taking the time to talk the Donald down from a proposed unwarranted first strike. Something that's hardly time sensitive.
Not treason.


(Heh... that last graph of yours was a surprise. It wasn't there yet when I opened the thread. Threw me a bit. )
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Pretty clear helping sales of "Peril" is a major reason behind this "Leak".
Don't see anything wrong with that, though.
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How else do you protect America from a president who is clinically insane?

Just ask General Milley - the final guard rail between Trump and a nuclear war.
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:32 PM   #1712
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Pretty clear helping sales of "Peril" is a major reason behind this "Leak".
Don't see anything wrong with that, though.
I agree.

I read Fear and Rage, and will probably read Peril. I enjoy Woodward's writing voice, and although we have lived through much of what he writes about, it is nice to have someone respectable organize it all and provide a little more depth.
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:46 PM   #1713
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
//Minor hijack//

Trump, for some reason and in despite of his parody-ready look and persona is SUPER hard to actually "nail" an impression/replication of.

Madame Tussand, who's Mark Zuckerburg looks 1,000% more human than the actual Mark Zuckerburg, couldn't make a wax figure of Trump look like Trump. Ditto Disney's Hall of President. Ditto everyone who's tried to play Trump in a movie.

I've seen more caricatures of Trump then I care to count. I don't know if I've seen an actual good "impression" of him.
Did they try piling up rotting horse manure and spraying it with months-old cow-urine?
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:48 PM   #1714
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And the Miley story is not the only bombshell in the book:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/polit...ump/index.html

WHich seems to prove my ultimate charge against the GOP leadership:They knew exactly what Trump was. were under no illusions about him, but still supporter him and continue to support him, thinking somehow if he gets in again they can manage him.
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Old 14th September 2021, 06:52 PM   #1715
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
God, it's "Wargames" for real.....
And that scenario almost happened.

In 1981, the KGB started using a computer model constructed as part of an intelligence operation designed to help them try to predict if NATO were planning a nuclear strike. In 1983, a NATO operation called "Able Archer" had enough key features for the KGB's software to trigger the necessary alerts.

https://arstechnica.com/information-...iggered-wwiii/

While some studies, including an analysis some 12 years ago [now 18 years ago] by historian Fritz Earth, have downplayed the actual Soviet response to Able Archer, a newly published [six years ago] declassified 1990 report from the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) to President George H. W. Bush obtained by the National Security Archive suggests that the danger was all too real. The document was classified as Top Secret with the code word UMBRA, denoting the most sensitive compartment of classified material, and it cites data from sources that to this day remain highly classified. When combined with previously released CIA, National Security Agency (NSA), and Defense Department documents, this PFIAB report shows that only the illness of Soviet leader Yuri Andropov—and the instincts of one mid-level Soviet officer—may have prevented a nuclear launch.
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:00 PM   #1716
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
And that scenario almost happened.

In 1981, the KGB started using a computer model constructed as part of an intelligence operation designed to help them try to predict if NATO were planning a nuclear strike. In 1983, a NATO operation called "Able Archer" had enough key features for the KGB's software to trigger the necessary alerts.

https://arstechnica.com/information-...iggered-wwiii/

While some studies, including an analysis some 12 years ago [now 18 years ago] by historian Fritz Earth, have downplayed the actual Soviet response to Able Archer, a newly published [six years ago] declassified 1990 report from the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) to President George H. W. Bush obtained by the National Security Archive suggests that the danger was all too real. The document was classified as Top Secret with the code word UMBRA, denoting the most sensitive compartment of classified material, and it cites data from sources that to this day remain highly classified. When combined with previously released CIA, National Security Agency (NSA), and Defense Department documents, this PFIAB report shows that only the illness of Soviet leader Yuri Andropov—and the instincts of one mid-level Soviet officer—may have prevented a nuclear launch.
Ars Technica is telling you a story. Is the story true? You have no way of knowing. Name three things in the story that you can corroborate with independent sources. Hell, name one thing, and see how far it gets you.
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:17 PM   #1717
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Ars Technica is telling you a story. Is the story true? You have no way of knowing. Name three things in the story that you can corroborate with independent sources. Hell, name one thing, and see how far it gets you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...8a2_story.html

https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...able-archer-83

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...nded-the-world

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/a...secret-history

And if those aren't enough to satisfy your pretend skepticism, here is a link that contains a whole raft of links to released NSA documents

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/project/ab...-83-sourcebook

It took me literally 45 seconds to find all that. All I typed into Google search was "Able Archer"

Satisfied!!?
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:24 PM   #1718
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And the Miley story is not the only bombshell in the book:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/polit...ump/index.html

WHich seems to prove my ultimate charge against the GOP leadership:They knew exactly what Trump was. were under no illusions about him, but still supporter him and continue to support him, thinking somehow if he gets in again they can manage him.
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OMG.

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"I think he's redeemable," Graham concluded of Trump, according to the authors. "I think he's got magic and I think he's got darkness."
How on earth can a sociopathic, pathological liar and narcissist be "redeemable"? Trump's "magic" is in bringing out the absolute worst in people and making it seem acceptable. That is his true ability. He is evil.
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Old 14th September 2021, 07:37 PM   #1719
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
OMG.



How on earth can a sociopathic, pathological liar and narcissist be "redeemable"? Trump's "magic" is in bringing out the absolute worst in people and making it seem acceptable. That is his true ability. He is evil.
I will probably never understand the support from Graham for Trump. After first condemning him, then abasing himself for Trump, he has no credibility to me. If Trump has something on him, it still cannot be worth this kind of sellout. How bad could it be for him if whatever Trump has, or doesn't have, came out in this liberal attitude, elitist, society that he and others claim dominate America? I can only go with evil, and supporting evil at this juncture.
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What's the matter Prestige... cat peed on your keyboard?
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