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Old 13th September 2021, 04:30 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Of course, Trump, GOP sycophants and Elder are all now screaming "election fraud" because the latest polls indicate Newsom will win. Trump even claimed people were making "their own ballots". The math flies in the face of these absurd claims:

There are 2X as many Dems and GOP registered in CA
Dems hold every single statewide office in CA
Republicans haven't won a single statewide election in 15 years which was AHHHHNOLD in 2006.

But, now...Newsom will win because the election is 'rigged'. All this is a direct result of Trump's BIG LIE. Just another reminder of the damage that asshat has done to this country.
Old news They have been doing this since the polls turned against Newsom.
I will vote no on the recall and vote of the Democrat on the second part of the ballot (Just in case). Elder is a nutcase.
But I have to snicker at some of the praise Newsom is getting. He has not been a medocore governor at best. His Record on Covid is mixed.. FOr one thing, last year he tried to reopen California way,way, too soon. I hope he is challneged in the primary next year,I think the Democrats n Califorina could find better.
It is definently for many Califorinians a "Hold Your Nose and Vote" election.
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Old 13th September 2021, 04:32 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
CA really needs to recall their recall system. It stinks.
You should see the voters guide to the election ...the official booklet listing the candidates and their stands. Some of them make Elder look sane.
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Old 13th September 2021, 04:48 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You should see the voters guide to the election ...the official booklet listing the candidates and their stands. Some of them make Elder look sane.
I know. The nuts in the GOP have become standard issue; they are no longer the fringe.
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Old 13th September 2021, 05:11 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I know. The nuts in the GOP have become standard issue; they are no longer the fringe.
GOP has no monopoly on nuts on the ballot though.
First one listed in the booklet is a member of the Socialist Workers Party, which proudly describes it self as being Communist ( of the Trotskite persuasion).His statement echoes the Party line.
One Green party candidate whole statement is "Can You DIg It".
What is scary about a number of the GOP entries is how many of them are religous in their appeals.One openly state he wants to put "Jesus Christ in Charge".
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GOP has no monopoly on nuts on the ballot though.
First one listed in the booklet is a member of the Socialist Workers Party, which proudly describes it self as being Communist ( of the Trotskite persuasion).His statement echoes the Party line.
One Green party candidate whole statement is "Can You DIg It".
What is scary about a number of the GOP entries is how many of them are religous in their appeals.One openly state he wants to put "Jesus Christ in Charge".
According to Trump, Jesus Christ was a 'loser'. After all, he was crucified.
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Old 13th September 2021, 08:47 PM   #246
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The Dems have been grooming Newsom for the Governorship and the Presidency for years. There is a lot of money behind this guy and I expect California to pull all stops to keep him in.

Californians don't notice or don't care about many issues. "We" were totally conned by the new gas tax, oh no I mean the Road Repair and Accountability Act so first responders could supposedly get to emergencies!

Guess where that money went? Certainly not where they said it would go, and it was no surprise to many people.

Califonians voted against the recall of the would-be re-appropriated gas tax, that is how collectively stupid we are. Of course it took a lot of misdirection and lying from the corrupt government to pull that off. In my opinion it was election fraud. Maybe not illegal but they lied straight to people's faces.

And yes the money was used for something else, surprise. Sorry firemen and police! You all looked so sad on the election pamphlets! "We won't be able to help you if we don't fix the roads!" LOL.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
The Dems have been grooming Newsom for the Governorship and the Presidency for years. There is a lot of money behind this guy and I expect California to pull all stops to keep him in.

Californians don't notice or don't care about many issues. "We" were totally conned by the new gas tax, oh no I mean the Road Repair and Accountability Act so first responders could supposedly get to emergencies!

Guess where that money went? Certainly not where they said it would go, and it was no surprise to many people.

Califonians voted against the recall of the would-be re-appropriated gas tax, that is how collectively stupid we are. Of course it took a lot of misdirection and lying from the corrupt government to pull that off. In my opinion it was election fraud. Maybe not illegal but they lied straight to people's faces.

And yes the money was used for something else, surprise. Sorry firemen and police! You all looked so sad on the election pamphlets! "We won't be able to help you if we don't fix the roads!" LOL.
Orrr...

You could try holding them to account and making sure they really do use the taxes as they said they would. Make it public, make it loud. No problem with that.

But just tossing the governor out is not going to help. Because if a GOP candidate gets governorship, those taxes will go mostly into his personal fungelical church driveway and parking lot rehabilitation effort, not your streets.
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Whoops

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The http://ElectElder.com campaign site has a “Stop Fraud” button.

Upon clicking it, visitors are sent to a site called http://StopCAFraud.com that claims he already lost tomorrow’s California special election due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/statu...71557023313921

ETA: news article

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Republican Larry Elder appealed on Monday to his supporters to use an online form to report fraud, which claimed it had "detected fraud" in the "results" of the California recall election "resulting in Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor."

The only problem: On Monday when the link was live on Elder's campaign site, the election hadn't even happened yet. No results had been released. And Elder was still campaigning to replace Newsom as governor
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...fraud-n1279080
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Old 14th September 2021, 11:37 AM   #249
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"It was rigged!" and "Election Fraud!" have become the new GOP mantra...except for elections they win. For some reasons, those are always honest and legitimate elections. Pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
"It was rigged!" and "Election Fraud!" have become the new GOP mantra...except for elections they win. For some reasons, those are always honest and legitimate elections. Pathetic.
Even in blue states like California, there's value in claiming fraud. The right is normalizing these claims as an automatic response to any electoral loss. It's all a dress rehearsal for future elections to come, where close elections in red states are going to be tilted in their favor by baseless claims of election fraud and a slate of well trained political operators and enablers in positions of power.
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Old 14th September 2021, 11:44 AM   #251
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I will never, ever forgive or forget what Trump and the GOP have done to this country.
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I will never, ever forgive or forget what Trump and the GOP have done to this country.
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Old 14th September 2021, 12:21 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
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Yeah. Right. Thanks for proving my point. Instead of being worried about what Trump and the GOP have and are doing to this country with their "Big Lie", some meaningless, tripe meme is the response.

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The Dems have been grooming Newsom for the Governorship and the Presidency for years. There is a lot of money behind this guy and I expect California to pull all stops to keep him in.

Californians don't notice or don't care about many issues. "We" were totally conned by the new gas tax, oh no I mean the Road Repair and Accountability Act so first responders could supposedly get to emergencies!

Guess where that money went? Certainly not where they said it would go, and it was no surprise to many people.

Califonians voted against the recall of the would-be re-appropriated gas tax, that is how collectively stupid we are. Of course it took a lot of misdirection and lying from the corrupt government to pull that off. In my opinion it was election fraud. Maybe not illegal but they lied straight to people's faces.

And yes the money was used for something else, surprise. Sorry firemen and police! You all looked so sad on the election pamphlets! "We won't be able to help you if we don't fix the roads!" LOL.
The Dems in call did not have to pull out all the stops;all they had to do was just play clips of Larry Elder stating some of his more extreme positions.
I am no fan of Newsom..this is definently a hold your nose and vote election for many....but compared to Elder, no competition really.
I doubt Newsom has much of a future as a Presidential contender.. That is one thing the recall will do:Pretty much make him loke like a questinable candidate in the eyes of many democrats.
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Yeah. Right. Thanks for proving my point. Instead of being worried about what Trump and the GOP have and are doing to this country with their "Big Lie", some meaningless, tripe meme is the response.

Nothing sounds worse then a failed attempt to be "edgy"
Of xourse the Trumpers here don't want to give the real reason many of them support Trump: He will restore White Male Christian Dominence to America and put the infeiror races in their place.
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Larry Elder Announces He’s “Detected Fraud” in California Recall Vote Results, Which Don’t Yet Exist

I've not been following too closely, but I suppose the fraud he's detecting are the polls that indicate he won't be governor?
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Larry Elder Announces He’s “Detected Fraud” in California Recall Vote Results, Which Don’t Yet Exist

I've not been following too closely, but I suppose the fraud he's detecting are the polls that indicate he won't be governor?
No, he appears to be preparing to lose the election with the same grace as the Tantrump, and the same lies to appeal to his ignorant, bigoted and stupid followers.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GOP has no monopoly on nuts on the ballot though.
First one listed in the booklet is a member of the Socialist Workers Party, which proudly describes it self as being Communist ( of the Trotskite persuasion).His statement echoes the Party line.
One Green party candidate whole statement is "Can You DIg It".
What is scary about a number of the GOP entries is how many of them are religous in their appeals.One openly state he wants to put "Jesus Christ in Charge".
It seems to me like a pretty standard thing to have a lot of crazy people turn up for a highly publicized election. This is their big chance given that the state of California is reliably Democratic and would get lost in the noise in the general election. Similar things happen in UK by-elections where you get candidates from THe Man Standing at the Back Wearinb a Silly Hat Party, or Lord Buckethead etc… will turn up (the mayor of London election similarly attracts total weirdos like Lawrence Fox and David Rose, etc…). That’s to be elected. What is much less expected is when the main parties pt up weird fringe candidates. Larry Elderr is definitely weird and cringe but is the GOP’s top candidate.
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Orrr...

You could try holding them to account and making sure they really do use the taxes as they said they would. Make it public, make it loud. No problem with that.

But just tossing the governor out is not going to help. Because if a GOP candidate gets governorship, those taxes will go mostly into his personal fungelical church driveway and parking lot rehabilitation effort, not your streets.

I voted against the recall and Brown was the one who did the gas tax.

This is the wording on the Official Ballot for the "gas tax" repeal:

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"Eliminates Recently Enacted Road Repair and Transportation Funding by Repealing Revenues Dedicated For Those Purposes. Requires Any Measure to Enact Certain Vehicle Fuel Taxes and Vehicle Fees Be Submitted to and Approved By the Electorate. Initiative Constitutional Amendment."
As you can see, "we" also voted to eliminate the need for voter approval for such taxes in the future. Yay Californians. So good luck getting the electorate to think at all.

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The Dems in call did not have to pull out all the stops;all they had to do was just play clips of Larry Elder stating some of his more extreme positions.
I am no fan of Newsom..this is definently a hold your nose and vote election for many....but compared to Elder, no competition really.
I doubt Newsom has much of a future as a Presidential contender.. That is one thing the recall will do:Pretty much make him loke like a questinable candidate in the eyes of many democrats.

Fortunately Elder did make it easier as he became the front-runner but nobody knew months ago who would be the popular candidates, and I doubt most Californians are familiar with any of them even today.

Most people voted to keep the Republicans out regardless of who the candidate was. I can't prove that of course but it's what I think. It's how I voted. It didn't matter who it was, no way was a Republican going to just steal the Governorship, especially in the age of Trumpism.

We'll see if Newsom wins re-election next election. It would not surprise me. If the Dems machine supports him he will win.
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It looks like Newsom will survive the recall:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ifornia-recall
Interesting. CNN makes the point that it was Larry Elder's extremist policies that saved Newson from the recall

California Gov. Gavin Newsom was facing a tight race. Then Larry Elder came along.

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Newsom acknowledged Saturday that Elder had helped galvanize and grab the attention of Democrats who might have otherwise skipped the election, calling him "extreme even by extreme standards."

"So I think people certainly have woken up to that," Newsom told reporters at a campaign event in Oakland. "Larry Elder certainly makes the contrast with this campaign, this candidacy, much easier to express."...

GOP strategists are counting on Republicans, some of whom have been skeptical of mail-in voting because of Trump's false claims, voting in person on Election Day. But because Republicans are so outnumbered -- making up just 24.1% of the state's electorate to Democrats' 46.5% -- the GOP's chances of ousting the governor hinge on a huge Republican turnout and meager Democratic participation once all the ballots are counted. That scenario has looked increasingly unlikely.

Newsom's campaign advisers said that in the end, the anti-recall message could be distilled into one thought: that a "yes" vote for the recall meant electing "a pro-Trump, anti-vaccine Republican who was going to reverse the mandates on day one."

Republican strategist Rob Stutzman noted that Elder's position on vaccine and mask mandates has been at odds even with the views of a fair number of Republican voters. "The idea of vaccination mandates for health care workers, public employees -- and of mask mandates -- are popular, and even 40% of Republicans, according to a CBS poll a couple weeks ago, support that,"
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It seems to me like a pretty standard thing to have a lot of crazy people turn up for a highly publicized election. This is their big chance given that the state of California is reliably Democratic and would get lost in the noise in the general election. Similar things happen in UK by-elections where you get candidates from THe Man Standing at the Back Wearinb a Silly Hat Party, or Lord Buckethead etc… will turn up (the mayor of London election similarly attracts total weirdos like Lawrence Fox and David Rose, etc…). That’s to be elected. What is much less expected is when the main parties pt up weird fringe candidates. Larry Elderr is definitely weird and cringe but is the GOP’s top candidate.

GOP did have any say as to who got onto the ballot. That was a matter of just getting enough signatures. There are around 10 Republicans on the ballot.
And Elder was not the GOP's in Cali first choice to be the main contender to replace Newsom. They thought Cox (who Newsom defeated in 2018 or the ex Mayor of San Diego (who was a moderate on most issues) would be the one to be leading the replacement list, not Elder, who had always been considereed loose cannon in the Cal GOP. He has gone back and forth between the GOP and the Libertarian party several times.
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I voted against the recall and Brown was the one who did the gas tax.

This is the wording on the Official Ballot for the "gas tax" repeal:



As you can see, "we" also voted to eliminate the need for voter approval for such taxes in the future. Yay Californians. So good luck getting the electorate to think at all.




Fortunately Elder did make it easier as he became the front-runner but nobody knew months ago who would be the popular candidates, and I doubt most Californians are familiar with any of them even today.

Most people voted to keep the Republicans out regardless of who the candidate was. I can't prove that of course but it's what I think. It's how I voted. It didn't matter who it was, no way was a Republican going to just steal the Governorship, especially in the age of Trumpism.

We'll see if Newsom wins re-election next election. It would not surprise me. If the Dems machine supports him he will win.
As i pointed out, most of the candidates on the ballot, judging from their statments in the offical voters guide booklet. are cringeworthy. They should never have gotten on the ballot. They need to tighten up on the recall prodecure,increase the number of signatures required.
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No, he appears to be preparing to lose the election with the same grace as the Tantrump, and the same lies to appeal to his ignorant, bigoted and stupid followers.
Elder is a radio talk show host. That is all you need to know about him if you know what your typical talk show is like in the US. Say any crazy crap that fires up the listeners and gets you ratings.
I honestly think he will try to turn his apparently failed candidacy to get himself a nationwide talk show. Showbiz, man showbiz.
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Interesting. CNN makes the point that it was Larry Elder's extremist policies that saved Newson from the recall



California Gov. Gavin Newsom was facing a tight race. Then Larry Elder came along.
The faintest praise possible.
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The faintest praise possible.
A Lot of the "he is such a great governor" talk is coming from outside the state. Most Democrats in California don't have a high opinion of Newsom. But he, even with all the mistakes he made handling the Covid crisis last year (reopening the state way too early, twice) is still not as bad as what Eldar would do. As stated, it's a hold your nose and vote election.
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Old 14th September 2021, 08:20 PM   #268
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GOP did have any say as to who got onto the ballot. That was a matter of just getting enough signatures. There are around 10 Republicans on the ballot.
And Elder was not the GOP's in Cali first choice to be the main contender to replace Newsom. They thought Cox (who Newsom defeated in 2018 or the ex Mayor of San Diego (who was a moderate on most issues) would be the one to be leading the replacement list, not Elder, who had always been considereed loose cannon in the Cal GOP. He has gone back and forth between the GOP and the Libertarian party several times.
Ockham's razor: The GOP is a party of and for the lunatics.
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Interesting. CNN makes the point that it was Larry Elder's extremist policies that saved Newson from the recall

California Gov. Gavin Newsom was facing a tight race. Then Larry Elder came along.
My understanding is most sane people realize that they should avoid recalling Newsom to avoid getting a nutter as governor, then they can just get rid of Newsom in the primaries.
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Early returns show the recall going down bigtime.
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My understanding is most sane people realize that they should avoid recalling Newsom to avoid getting a nutter as governor, then they can just get rid of Newsom in the primaries.
That is my hope.
I am very happy that Elder lost, not that happy that Newsom won.
He won't have to give up his table at Leatherby's a legendary Ice Cream Parlor here in Sacramento which has become a traditional spot for the Governor. I was once there when Ahnuld came inm was there a couple of times when Jerry Brown was there. Not been as lucky with Newsom, though his photo eating there in on the wall.
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CNN and WAPO projecting Newsom will win by a large margin.
Total fiasco for the GOP in California.
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No surprise that Elder didn't turn out to be Terminator 2. Huge name recognition but relatively small core. Even among California republicans. And lots of negatives outside of the small core.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
CNN and WAPO projecting Newsom will win by a large margin.
Total fiasco for the GOP in California.
So yeah, that was just a spectacular waste of time and who knows how much money - a couple hundred million or so?
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No surprise that Elder didn't turn out to be Terminator 2. Huge name recognition but relatively small core. Even among California republicans. And lots of negatives outside of the small core.
Fox anointed Elder (so did CNN and MSNBC once he got going). He killed the rest of the field with earned media. The former mayor of San Diego probably had more voter appeal beyond the base. The lesson here is that Republicans who can appeal beyond the base can't win their base.

Kaitlan Jenner is a bit of a mystery to me. She's the queen of influencer culture and should have pulled in more coverage. I don't think she would have won but she could have sucked in more "Yes" votes than she did. I'm guessing this was maybe a vanity project for her.
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So yeah, that was just a spectacular waste of time and who knows how much money - a couple hundred million or so?
What's astonishing is that California has a mechanism that makes it so easy to force a recall election. Most states don't have anything like that, and the ones that do set the bar much higher.
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Indeed.
Fox has been promoting Elder for a long time; the fact that it wasn't nearly enough is a sign of Murdoch's waning influence on US politics.
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What's astonishing is that California has a mechanism that makes it so easy to force a recall election. Most states don't have anything like that, and the ones that do set the bar much higher.
Now that the recall is a failure, CA needs to completely revamp their recall procedure. They also need to change the law to make it compulsory for the governor to have to appoint any senator or representative from the same party when one is left vacant by death, resignation, etc. from 3 candidates supplied by their party.
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Of course, Trump, GOP sycophants and Elder are all now screaming "election fraud" because the latest polls indicate Newsom will win.
I just saw Elder's concession speech and he basically just thanked the people who helped him. He didn't mention election fraud nor did he scream about a rigged election.

Based on the numbers that came in, a 2 to 1 vote ratio to keep Newsom, I don't really see how fraud would have played any role in this particular election.

Yes there might be some who are calling the election rigged but I haven't seen much of that going on. Then again, there are many democrat sycophants who claimed the 2016 election was rigged, etc.
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I just saw Elder's concession speech and he basically just thanked the people who helped him. He didn't mention election fraud nor did he scream about a rigged election.

Based on the numbers that came in, a 2 to 1 vote ratio to keep Newsom, I don't really see how fraud would have played any role in this particular election.

Yes there might be some who are calling the election rigged but I haven't seen much of that going on. Then again, there are many democrat sycophants who claimed the 2016 election was rigged, etc.
If you haven't heard it, then you haven't been listening.

Elder:

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Republican Larry Elder appealed on Monday to his supporters to use an online form to report fraud, which claimed it had "detected fraud" in the "results" of the California recall election "resulting in Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor."

The only problem: On Monday when the link was live on Elder's campaign site, the election hadn't even happened yet. No results had been released. And Elder was still campaigning to replace Newsom as governor.

“Statistical analyses used to detect fraud in elections held in 3rd-world nations (such as Russia, Venezuela, and Iran) have detected fraud in California resulting in Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor,” the site reads. "The primary analytical tool used was Benford’s Law and can be readily reproduced."

The site added on Monday afternoon a disclaimer saying it was "Paid For By Larry Elder Ballot Measure Committee Recall Newsom Committee," with major funding from Elder's gubernatorial campaign.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...fraud-n1279080

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“What I believe is that no matter what they do — and I believe that there might very well be shenanigans, as it were in the 2020 election — no matter what they do, so many Californians are angry about what's going on,” Elder said, according to CNN.

He further said that his team has a “voter integrity board” and is ready to file lawsuits over any issues that arise.

“We have a voter integrity board all set up — most of these are lawyers,” he said, according to CNN. “So, when people hear things, they contact us. We're going to file lawsuits in a timely fashion."
And, of course, there's the BIG LIE Promoter himself, Donnie "Loser" Trump:
https://www.sfgate.com/gavin-newsom-...l-16442942.php

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"It's probably rigged," Trump said. "They're sending out all ballots, the ballots are mail-in ballots; in fact, I guess you even have a case where you can make your own ballot. When that happens no one is going to win except these Democrats."
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Trump, who told Newsmax this week that the election to recall Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom is “probably rigged,” is the most prominent in a string of conservatives who have cast evidence-free aspersions on the upcoming vote.
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Republican-turned-independent Assemblymember Chad Mayes said his phone has been lighting up with “texts saying ‘don’t let them steal it.’”

“It’s this constant messaging that somehow if Republicans lose elections, it’s because of voter fraud. It is wrong, it is dangerous, and it needs to stop,” Mayes said.
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Conservative commentator Tomi Lahren assured viewers this week that only malfeasance could deliver Newsom a win.

“The only thing that will save Gavin Newsom is voter fraud,” Lahren said on Fox.
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"In many places, like California, the same person votes many times — you've probably heard about that," Trump said, without offering any proof. "They always like to say 'oh, that's a conspiracy theory' — not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-rigged-511025
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