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Old 14th August 2021, 08:11 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Face it, this entire story of voter fraud was born in Trump's mind because he couldn't bear to accept he just lost the election because he was such a bad President that voter turnout increased just so people would vote him out.
Hell, he was priming the pump months before the election. He, or some of his hangers-on, were aware that it would look pathetic and weak, even to his cult followers, if he didn't mention it until after the election. But by planting the idea of a stolen election ahead of time, Trump's loss looks like a prophecy to the True Believers. And if he'd won a second term, he could forget about it. Although it's easy to imagine him winning the election and then claiming that he actually got millions of votes more - such is his pathological insecurity.
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Old 14th August 2021, 08:19 PM   #122
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You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.
So perhaps if you were to go through the following points, you might learn why you are wrong

A. Trump was impeached... twice;
1st time: For corruptly attempting to extort the leader of an allied country into making up pernicious lies about a political adversary.

2nd time: For inciting the January 6th riots at the Capitol.
Had it not been for spinelessness of those gutless wonders that comprise the majority of the Republicans in the Senate, he would not have been impeached a second time, because he would have been removed the first time.

B. Even if he had been removed, that did not mean that the previous president would have been reinstated. Mike Pence would have become president, not a reinstated Barack Obama!

C. Even in the theoretical case of Trump having been impeached earlier than either of these two times, for fraud and corruption related to the 2016 Election, that election would not have been overturned. Again, Mike Pence would have become president.

There... I hope you got all that. As Samuel Johnson once said... "I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
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Old 14th August 2021, 08:21 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Hell, he was priming the pump months before the election. He, or some of his hangers-on, were aware that it would look pathetic and weak, even to his cult followers, if he didn't mention it until after the election. But by planting the idea of a stolen election ahead of time, Trump's loss looks like a prophecy to the True Believers. And if he'd won a second term, he could forget about it. Although it's easy to imagine him winning the election and then claiming that he actually got millions of votes more - such is his pathological insecurity.
Which is exactly what happened, and what he did in 2016.
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Old 14th August 2021, 09:28 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by The Traveler View Post
How many of you think Trump will be reinstated before the end of this month.
Groucho Marx has a better chance of being declared president than Trump has of being reinstated. Certainly his approval rating would be more positive, though it's not clear that he'd want to be president of a country that would vote for him.
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Old 15th August 2021, 03:41 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
What is “u-tube”?
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It's that thing what keeps the sewer stink out one's house. Perhaps The Traveler needs a plunger?
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I think his sources are less "YouTube" than "U-Bend"


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'u-tube' is as you describe: it's the place below the drain where all the crap collects.
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Old 15th August 2021, 03:57 AM   #126
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What is “u-tube”?
It's like u-haul but you get to drive yourself insane.
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Hell, he was priming the pump months before the election.
I think he came up with that expression, in fact.
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Old 15th August 2021, 04:32 AM   #128
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Would it? I'm not aware of a mechanism that can invalidate an election, as I said earlier. I think impeachment would be the most likely scenario.

I left out a step or two, and impeachment would have been involved in the real world, but the point is that they seemed to think that the end result would have been John McCain becoming President. They had no idea how the government actually works.
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Old 15th August 2021, 05:39 AM   #129
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Well I notice how quick you all are to rip me a new one but in reality you are very hypocritical .

You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.

Biden can be removed the same way but in his case there is a real crime that has been committed. The Audits are the proof. And in the mid terms there will not be the fixing of the ballots as there was before so the Dems are going out. And as the Rineos have mostly all been identified already, they will not be returning either.
Pinos Patriots in Name only will never win, because of the obvious Racism and Hate they endorse they will be Rejected by the Majority of the American Population.
The real Question he is why would anyone vote to Support racism hate and Idiot Laws Of Physics defying Conspiracy theories from known Liars,
Who Violated the Civil Rights People were given by the Constitution of the United States?
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Old 15th August 2021, 05:52 AM   #130
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It reminds me of the people after the 2008 election who seemed to believe that if President Obama were shown to not be a US citizen, then the election would be reversed and John McCain would become President, as opposed to what would actually happen - Joe Biden becoming President.
Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.
And even a Supreme court decision might not be able to undo everything Obama-the-Kenian would have done up to that point.
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Old 15th August 2021, 06:04 AM   #131
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Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.
And even a Supreme court decision might not be able to undo everything Obama-the-Kenian would have done up to that point.
It was never even really a Question as I told everyone back then Obama was Vetted before the Election by the Proper Officials in Hawaii, Birtherism was just a Racist insane Laws of Physics defying Conspiracy theory.
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Wasn't August 13 the day Trump, (Messiah, God Incarnate, the Holy one), was supposed to be reinstated?
One of them.

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One of them.


His sewer vent is I properly Installed or the Fox Fraud News is backing up again.
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Old 15th August 2021, 08:45 AM   #134
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Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.
Arguably. IANAL, but I'm part owner of the bar nearest our university's law school and I get to talk to lawyers, law students, and law professors all the time about such things. The oath of office must be taken before the President can exercise any powers of the office, but he becomes President on noon of the appropriate day, at the expiration of his predecessor's term. Taking the oath of office is the only legal aspect of the inauguration, and the reason why it's done just before noon. The rest is just a celebration. Technically Joe Biden had to wait a few minutes after taking the oath, until noon, to actually be able to exercise the power. You can't have two Presidents at the same time, but you can have two people who have taken the oath of office. Conversely, Lyndon B. Johnson became President the instant John F. Kennedy died, but he could not exercise any powers of the office until sworn in. I'd have to concede that's a distinction without much difference.

The Congress having certified the vote of the Electoral College is the point beyond which the identity of the President-electis no longer in question. At that point, the President-elect is the only person for whom taking the oath of office would have any legally cognizable meaning. The purpose of the vote certification is to raise and resolve any questions in the vote before it becomes legally binding. Due process having been satisfied, further questions are then moot. And it is unclear that this particular action of the Congress would be reviewable by any court.

If it is discovered later that the President is or was ineligible to the office, then I believe the only means to remove him is by impeachment. I can't imagine that removal would be automatic, because evidence of his ineligibility would be subject to trial. And aside from the President's death or incapacity, the only power by which a President of sound mind and body can be removed from office is by impeachment and removal by the Congress. No court can do so. I imagine that a court can issue a declaratory judgment that the President is ineligible, but it would still require someone with the power to remove the President to act upon it.

And then, as has been copiously described, the Vice-President becomes President. The claims of any losing candidate in a prior election are extinguished when the Electoral College vote is certified.
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And aside from the President's death or incapacity, the only power by which a President of sound mind and body can be removed from office is by impeachment and removal by the Congress.
Now I'm wondering if the President can remove himself. If he calls a press conference and announces that he's stepping down, and then walks out the front door of the White House and never looks back, is he no longer President? Or does Congress have to certify his abdication?

Or does that fall under "incapacity"? De facto, at least?

It seems like it could be addressed by the 25th Amendment on a technicality. The Cabinet writes to Congress that the President is unable to act as such. This claim takes effect unless the President offers a written rebuttal. If the President could write a rebuttal, but chooses not to, then it seems to me that he's removed by the letter of the 25th Amendment.
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Now I'm wondering if the President can remove himself. If he calls a press conference and announces that he's stepping down, and then walks out the front door of the White House and never looks back, is he no longer President? Or does Congress have to certify his abdication?
Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.
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And then, as has been copiously described, the Vice-President becomes President. The claims of any losing candidate in a prior election are extinguished when the Electoral College vote is certified.
Of course, since the VP was elected on the same ticket, which got more electoral votes.
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Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.
Thanks! I had completely forgotten about Nixon's resignation.
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Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.
Wasn't there also a signed resignation?

If some president gets mad makes statements about resigning or walks off. Would that trigger succession to occur? Who would decide?

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Wasn't there also a signed resignation?

If some president gets mad makes statements about resigning or walks off. Would that trigger succession to occur? Who would decide?
Yes, the President's resignation must be in writing to the Secretary of State in order to have effect.

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Well I notice how quick you all are to rip me a new one but in reality you are very hypocritical .

You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.

Biden can be removed the same way but in his case there is a real crime that has been committed. The Audits are the proof. And in the mid terms there will not be the fixing of the ballots as there was before so the Dems are going out. And as the Rineos have mostly all been identified already, they will not be returning either.
My good man, you have not addressed how your sources of journalistic integrity are reporting that Barr, Rice, and apparently Sec Clinton have been executed by the military.

Care to reevaluate the quality of your media? Maybe acknowledge that you were willingly pushing transparent lies that a child could have fact checked?
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Well I notice how quick you all are to rip me a new one but in reality you are very hypocritical .

You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.

Biden can be removed the same way but in his case there is a real crime that has been committed. The Audits are the proof. And in the mid terms there will not be the fixing of the ballots as there was before so the Dems are going out. And as the Rineos have mostly all been identified already, they will not be returning either.
How could impeaching Biden result in Trump being re-seated?
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How could impeaching Biden result in Trump being re-seated?
Don't worry about that. All they need is to show that one county has one bamboo ballot and SCOTUS will order Trump be reinstated, and his number of terms reset to zero because the Demonrats wasted it last time. Easy peasy.
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Don't worry about that. All they need is to show that one county has one bamboo ballot and SCOTUS will order Trump be reinstated, and his number of terms reset to zero because the Demonrats wasted it last time. Easy peasy.
It really does seem to be the mentality this is all a "grown-ups" version of Dungeons-And-Dragons, where the SCOTUS is the Dungeonmaster and has complete and whimsical control of the game and rules.
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It really does seem to be the mentality this is all a "grown-ups" version of Dungeons-And-Dragons, where the SCOTUS is the Dungeonmaster and has complete and whimsical control of the game and rules.
Not so sure about the highlighted, too much infantile wish fulfilment involved.
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Not so sure about the highlighted, too much infantile wish fulfilment involved.
True. And someone mistook their Magic 8-Ball for an icosahedron, got the result "It is most certain", and thought that was proof enough Trump won!
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It really does seem to be the mentality this is all a "grown-ups" version of Dungeons-And-Dragons, where the SCOTUS is the Dungeonmaster and has complete and whimsical control of the game and rules.
Oh, they are definitely LARPing.
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It really does seem to be the mentality this is all a "grown-ups" version of Dungeons-And-Dragons, where the SCOTUS is the Dungeonmaster and has complete and whimsical control of the game and rules.
Maybe it was a rejected script for the Marvel What If tv series?
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It really does seem to be the mentality this is all a "grown-ups" version of Dungeons-And-Dragons, where the SCOTUS is the Dungeonmaster and has complete and whimsical control of the game and rules.
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Oh, they are definitely LARPing.
On behalf of gamers I object to this characterisation. RPGers and LARPers are generally far more intelligent, decent and coincident with reality than these idiots.
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On behalf of gamers I object to this characterisation. RPGers and LARPers are generally far more intelligent, decent and coincident with reality than these idiots.
Generally, but there's no barrier to entry now that they've streamlined the rule systems.
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Biden can be removed the same way but in his case there is a real crime that has been committed. The Audits are the proof. And in the mid terms there will not be the fixing of the ballots as there was before so the Dems are going out. And as the Rineos have mostly all been identified already, they will not be returning either.
That still doesn't get Trump into the WH. It gets Pelosi in. Trump would have to get elected Speaker of the house, then you could impeach both the President and VP. That would do it. Since I don't seen the former happening, the latter remains impossible.

Even if there were iron-clad evidence the elections were rigged, and Biden / Harris played a role, the mechanisms are still impeachment. And line of succession remains the same.
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It just occurred to.me how much this ballot recount thing is like Birtherism. There is no actual issue, so they make one up to make it seem like there is some kind of shenanigans afoot.
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It just occurred to.me how much this ballot recount thing is like Birtherism. There is no actual issue, so they make one up to make it seem like there is some kind of shenanigans afoot.
I don't think the recount is about racism, though. Or maybe it is, but more indirectly.
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I don't think the recount is about racism, though. Or maybe it is, but more indirectly.
Not racism, but just the willingness to publically tilt at windmills with a straight face. Birtherism never had the slightest evidence of being reality based; nor does this Chinese fake ballot silliness. It's like they are advertising that they are the Reality Optional party.
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I don't think the recount is about racism, though. Or maybe it is, but more indirectly.
Pretty damned sure there's more than a coincidental overlap between the votes that the Trumpistas want thrown out and the votes that come from people with darker skin, personally.

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Pretty damned sure there's more than a coincidental overlap between the votes that the Trumpistas want thrown out and the votes that come from people with darker skin, personally.

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Maybe the very fact that most minority voters went democratic is a root cause of this CT.
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Maybe the very fact that most minority voters went democratic is a root cause of this CT.
The Election Fraudism is Just Gas Lighting to hide why Trump lost Maricopa County Arizona, because he Pardon Joe Arapio,, the Birther who Racially profiled and Harrassed Native Americans in Maricopa County.
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Pretty damned sure there's more than a coincidental overlap between the votes that the Trumpistas want thrown out and the votes that come from people with darker skin, personally.

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Since Both Birtherism and Elecfion Fraudism violated the Laws of Physics, Maybe your on to something Dave.
The only difference between Birtherism and Election Fraudism is Birtherism didn't kill Ashlli Babbitt.
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I do believe we have an answer to the op’s “how many” question. The answer is 0.
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I do believe we have an answer to the op’s “how many” question. The answer is 0.
Now, now, they did find some. That republican guy who tried to use his dead mothers and MIL's ballots to cast additional Trump votes, and some others.
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