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Old 10th January 2022, 10:04 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
You meant to type "I wouldn't be shocked if..." -- right?
Amazing catch. I'd correct all of the little odd typing mistakes you make but I have friends, a job, and things to do.

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Are you paying attention, plague311 & carlitos?
To what? To your ramblings attempting to justify your ****** up outlook on why it's ok to shoot people that you think might be shoplifting? No, I'm not. I'd rather eat a bowl of human hair.
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Old 10th January 2022, 10:58 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Amazing catch. I'd correct all of the little odd typing mistakes you make but I have friends, a job, and things to do.
It was more than an innocuous typo --- it completely changed the entire meaning of your posting. So, you're welcome.

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To what? To your ramblings attempting to justify your ****** up outlook on why it's ok to shoot people that you think might be shoplifting? No, I'm not. I'd rather eat a bowl of human hair.
Carlitos said it was not believable that I could have witnessed such behavior.
To which you rushed to his side, indicating "I can't imagine why anyone would believe it."

Neither of you two have the slightest clue what is happening in stores across America, apparently. They are doing considerably more than simply 'shoplifting' -- they are LOOTING. Not 'maybe' looting -- they are doing it on a grand scale in front of everyone and making a mockery of the law-abiding citizens of the USA.

Roger Ramjets brought forward a posting saying that he objects to 'looting' done by politicians, but that's another topic, having nothing to do with Kyle Rittenhouse.
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Old 10th January 2022, 01:20 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
It was more than an innocuous typo --- it completely changed the entire meaning of your posting. So, you're welcome.
Yet without any more input from me you were able to figure it out without a problem.

I never said thank you.

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Carlitos said it was not believable that I could have witnessed such behavior.
To which you rushed to his side, indicating "I can't imagine why anyone would believe it."
No ****, because that which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That story could be completely fabricated ********, which is exactly how it reads. Provide some evidence. You can't? Ok, dismissed.

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Neither of you two have the slightest clue what is happening in stores across America, apparently.
Yeah, because I apparently don't live in America.

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They are doing considerably more than simply 'shoplifting' -- they are LOOTING. Not 'maybe' looting -- they are doing it on a grand scale in front of everyone and making a mockery of the law-abiding citizens of the USA.
So? This still doesn't make your random story any more or less true. It doesn't give Kyle a reason to shoot people based on a whim because he thinks they might be stealing. That's dumb as hell.

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Roger Ramjets brought forward a posting saying that he objects to 'looting' done by politicians, but that's another topic, having nothing to do with Kyle Rittenhouse.
Then why discuss it? Move on.
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Old 10th January 2022, 01:47 PM   #244
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palgue311, you probably should be getting back to your job, family, things to do, instead of wasting your time with me.

I saw what I saw. As did Kyle. As have many other Americans.
Your demand for 'evidence' is ridiculous.

Shooting looters is going to start becoming a "thing" if that criminal activity continues unabated. That trajectory is quite clear.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-li...-shoot-looters
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Old 10th January 2022, 01:59 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
palgue311, you probably should be getting back to your job, family, things to do, instead of wasting your time with me.
I did, I am. Also, it's plague311. Misspelling it changes the entirety of the statement.

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I saw what I saw. As did Kyle. As have many other Americans.
Your demand for 'evidence' is ridiculous.
No, it's not ridiculous at all. Demanding evidence is exactly what people who are taking a situation seriously do. Especially, and I mean ******* especially, if that outcome would be someone getting shot and killed. Doing it without rock solid evidence is both recklessly irresponsible and stupid.

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Shooting looters is going to start becoming a "thing" if that criminal activity continues unabated. That trajectory is quite clear.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-li...-shoot-looters
You can try it. Go right ahead. The escalation of violence will continue as bodies, not just those of looters or thieves, start to pile up. Meanwhile there will be no reduction of theft overall, and you urban cowboys will just end up shooting the wrong person. Well, either you or the thieves will end up doing it. Which will result in prison. You feeling emboldened by this is hilarious.

I don't think you understand, most of America laughs at people with this mindset while nervously backing away.
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Old 10th January 2022, 06:38 PM   #246
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...us/8830218002/

and

https://www.kktv.com/2021/10/03/offi...el-mall-sunday
(shoplifter shot dead)

and

https://www.koco.com/article/shoplif...lmart/38310185


and

https://www.chronline.com/stories/sh...ing-lot,279833
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Old 10th January 2022, 06:51 PM   #247
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Thank you for demonstrating some of what is wrong with the gun culture in the USA.
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Old 10th January 2022, 07:10 PM   #248
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Thank you for demonstrating some of what is wrong with the gun culture in the USA.
All four stories were violent men stopped by other men with their legal weapons.

What is wrong with that?
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Old 10th January 2022, 09:47 PM   #249
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(Note: Walmart loses approximately $3-billion every year as a result of theft!)

What is it you don't believe? That people waltz in and just take what they want and leave, nonchalantly?
What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.
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Old 11th January 2022, 07:40 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.
Imagine feeling the inherent need to defend wal-mart, target, CVS, etc.'s stock so much that you'd kill another person. Something that not even the employees are asked to do at all.

I can't imagine being like, "Oh my God, those people are stealing from Wal-Mart! I better protect Wal-Mart's bottom line! They barely make any money at all!" *pew pew pew pew* "Gotcha!"

This whole nonsense about protecting your neighborhood, or community, or whatever is ********. It's all about shooting someone and getting away with it.
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Old 11th January 2022, 07:44 AM   #251
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Have we reached the point where that woman who opened fire on shop lifters at home depot is now an american hero, or would be if she could have hit her damn target.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/u...one-again.html
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ponderingturtle, this thread has kinda drifted into that territory, using the recorded comments of Kyle as a take-off point.
The article you referenced/linked notes that 'Her case, like many others, has sparked a debate over how armed bystanders should respond to violence or crime.'
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
What is it you don't believe? That people waltz in and just take what they want and leave, nonchalantly?
I literally highlighted the part that I don't believe. Here it is again.

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I have witnessed it first-hand at a local Walmart. These 'shoplifters' don't have a care in the world; after loading up their shopping carts, they just push 'em right out the door, looking at the paying customers with an air of contempt and a smirk.

(The local Walmart and an oft-robbed/looted Target have both closed their doors for good, deciding that their exposure to such rampant thievery was not worthwhile for them).
I don't believe any of this.
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carlitos, go kick rocks.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.
He has eyes.

BTW, the Retail Industry Leaders Association estimated that prior to COVID-19, as much as $68.9-billion worth of products were stolen from retailers in 2019.

However, carlitos simply cannot believe that I witnessed such an incident.
Or, alternatively, he cannot comprehend that stores are closing in response to this activity.
(In San Francisco alone, two dozen Walgreens locations in the city were closed due to crime in the city).

I am not discussing the people who obey the laws.
Instead, I'm pointing to those who don't, and are BLATANT in that regard.
Looters, actually.

There are federal and state laws with provisions for shooting looters and arsonists. This is especially true during natural disasters and civil disorder.
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I am not discussing the people who obey the laws.
Instead, I'm pointing to those who don't, and are BLATANT in that regard.
Looters, actually.
Like the 1/6 rioters who blatantly looted the capitol, right?
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Like the 1/6 rioters who blatantly looted the capitol, right?
Well, one was shot and killed, so there's that.
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
Well, one was shot and killed, so there's that.
True but she wasn't taking anything, other than one to the chest.
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True but she wasn't taking anything, other than one to the chest.
Lt. Michael Byrd has been served with a 'wrongful death' lawsuit by the Ashli Babbitt family for his killing an unarmed woman despite there being no immediate threat or danger to his own life. In other words, she was assassinated by a Federal agent.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluati...-ashli-babbitt

Meanwhile, Kyle is considering writing a book about his ‘unorthodox journey into adulthood’ according to his spokesperson.
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1987511.html
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Lt. Michael Byrd has been served with a 'wrongful death' lawsuit by the Ashli Babbitt family for his killing an unarmed woman despite there being no immediate threat or danger to his own life. In other words, she was assassinated by a Federal agent.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluati...-ashli-babbitt

Meanwhile, Kyle is considering writing a book about his ‘unorthodox journey into adulthood’ according to his spokesperson.
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1987511.html
Both of these articles do not dictate reality. A lawsuit is juts a claim of wrongful doing by another party and can be for any reason. Kyle's demeanor during an interview has nothing to do with his killing of innocent people.

The reality is that Ashli was shot because she was part of a mob that was actively trying to hunt and kill people.

Kyle killed people because he wanted the thrill of it.
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Old 17th January 2022, 10:14 AM   #261
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
Lt. Michael Byrd has been served with a 'wrongful death' lawsuit by the Ashli Babbitt family for his killing an unarmed woman despite there being no immediate threat or danger to his own life. In other words, she was assassinated by a Federal agent.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluati...-ashli-babbitt
Michael should sue her back for putting him in a position that required him to have to take a life. He could add in the cost of the bullet just to be thorough.

Seriously though, keep me posted on how that turns out. I bet it gets laughed out of the court room, and Babbitt's family ends up paying Byrd's lawyer bill.

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Meanwhile, Kyle is considering writing a book about his ‘unorthodox journey into adulthood’ according to his spokesperson.
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1987511.html
LoL like the bulk of people who support Kyle can read. He better make it a picture book. Maybe a pop-up book!

Speaking of stupid lawsuits, I noticed Kyle hasn't filed anything. I'm sure he's just building up all of his evidence.
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Quote:
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.

Translation: "He's a stupid teenaged punk but I'm his spokesperson so I have to pretend to like him"
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plague311 was demanding 'evidence' back in post #245.

OK.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1486190902636736512
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Rittenhouse went on Fox to beg for money to sue media organizations. He naturally went on Tucker's show because the two are made for each other:

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"Me and my team have decided to launch The Media Accountability Project as a tool to help fundraise and hold the media accountable for the lies they said and deal with them in court," Rittenhouse said on Monday's "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
So he has a team, but they need money. He's looking at suing politicians and athletes, Whoopi, etc. He also said he's going to sue people that called him a white supremacist and I think he mentioned The Young Turks guy too.

He seems to think he'll walk away rich. I don't know much about the law but it seems to me having an opinion on an opinion show would allow enough wiggle room to not get in trouble. I'd expect he'll get the same thing as Sandmann, some "go away" money. Maybe enough to get another AR and a few years at lifeguard school.
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Found a Newsweek article with some lawyers explaining how he doesn't have a case, and a reply from a lawyer\host from TYT show. It wasn't behind a paywall for me. A few highlights:

Quote:
Adrienne Lawrence, an attorney and host on The Young Turks media network, tweeted: "Did someone call Rittenhouse a 'convicted murderer'?

"Because, to my knowledge, you can be a murderer factually, even if you're legally acquitted. An acquittal doesn't really change that one murdered another."
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Barbara McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor and former U.S attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, said: "A defamation case is unlikely to succeed here against any defendant."

"By inserting himself into the civil unrest in Kenosha, Rittenhouse voluntarily became a limited purpose public figure, which subjects defamation claims against him to the actual malice standard."
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Rittenhouse went on Fox to beg for money to sue media organizations. He naturally went on Tucker's show because the two are made for each other:



So he has a team, but they need money. He's looking at suing politicians and athletes, Whoopi, etc. He also said he's going to sue people that called him a white supremacist and I think he mentioned The Young Turks guy too.

He seems to think he'll walk away rich. I don't know much about the law but it seems to me having an opinion on an opinion show would allow enough wiggle room to not get in trouble. I'd expect he'll get the same thing as Sandmann, some "go away" money. Maybe enough to get another AR and a few years at lifeguard school.
There's definitely a fortune to be made, but not through winning lawsuits. Grifting Carlson fans seems like a good way to make a quick buck. Hell, he could probably just drop the pretense and ask them for cash directly. They love this killer, they'd probably just send money as a gift with no strings attached.
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There's definitely a fortune to be made, but not through winning lawsuits. Grifting Carlson fans seems like a good way to make a quick buck. Hell, he could probably just drop the pretense and ask them for cash directly. They love this killer, they'd probably just send money as a gift with no strings attached.
Which isn't too far from what he's doing, I'd bet. Ripping people off is just another way of saying "fundraising" when it comes to most things the right does.
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Rittenhouse went on Fox to beg for money to sue media organizations. He naturally went on Tucker's show because the two are made for each other:



So he has a team, but they need money. He's looking at suing politicians and athletes, Whoopi, etc. He also said he's going to sue people that called him a white supremacist and I think he mentioned The Young Turks guy too.

He seems to think he'll walk away rich. I don't know much about the law but it seems to me having an opinion on an opinion show would allow enough wiggle room to not get in trouble. I'd expect he'll get the same thing as Sandmann, some "go away" money. Maybe enough to get another AR and a few years at lifeguard school.
When he got his bail back as it was donated to him why is he hurting for money already, did he really blow through the more than a million dollars already?
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Old 22nd February 2022, 09:53 AM   #269
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Found a Newsweek article with some lawyers explaining how he doesn't have a case, and a reply from a lawyer\host from TYT show. It wasn't behind a paywall for me. A few highlights:
Just about everything said about Rittenhouse was an opinion based on disclosed facts, in this case the video of him gunning down protestors and the later trial.

Opinions on disclosed facts are not defamation. QED.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Opinions on disclosed facts are not defamation. QED.
Give it time. Let enough of the Post-Fact peeps get in positions of power and it will be.
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Old 22nd February 2022, 10:10 AM   #272
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
When he got his bail back as it was donated to him why is he hurting for money already, did he really blow through the more than a million dollars already?
I don't think that's true, per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

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Under the agreement, $920,000 will be paid, in trust, to Richards & Dimmer, the Racine law firm that defended Rittenhouse. Another $925,000 will go to #FightBack Foundation. Schroder, who posed with Rittenhouse soon after he was released on bail, gets back $150,000 he contributed.
I don't think the FightBack Foundation Inc. has anything to do with Rittenhouse. So I don't think he got any of it.
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Old 22nd February 2022, 11:43 AM   #273
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Might have to go and shoot some more people to drum up more interest and support.
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Old 22nd February 2022, 12:39 PM   #274
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Never mind, Plague311 already posted this:
Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
When he got his bail back as it was donated to him why is he hurting for money already, did he really blow through the more than a million dollars already?
Whoever posted it gets it back.

I donated $100 toward bail for that poor cook at the Little Rascal's Daycare that had been accused of Satanic ritual abuse of the kids. Her lawyer contacted me to ask if that was bail money I expected to get back or was it a donation she would keep. It was a donation.

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Bond in Wisconsin legally goes back to whoever posted it after the trial is over, which would appear to be Pierce’s law firm.

A second attorney who briefly worked on the case, L. Lin Wood, said the funds were provided by his FightBack Foundation and should be returned to the organization, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

In February, the Rittenhouse family fired Pierce, and have since complained that he and Wood diverted money meant to help Rittenhouse.

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At a short hearing Friday, Judge Bruce Schroeder approved two deals — one, agreed to by Rittenhouse, was to let authorities destroy the rifle; the other was to divvy up the $2 million bail with actor Ricky Schroder and a Texas non-profit organization led by Atlanta lawyer Lin Wood.

Under the agreement, $920,000 will be paid, in trust, to Richards & Dimmer, the Racine law firm that defended Rittenhouse. Another $925,000 will go to #FightBack Foundation. Schroder, who posed with Rittenhouse soon after he was released on bail, gets back $150,000 he contributed.

The judge denied an 11th-hour attempt by a California-based hedge fund trust to claim the bail money. The trust claims to be the assignee of a litigation financing company that was owed millions of dollars by Rittenhouse's first attorney, John Pierce of Los Angeles, and had obtained judgments against him.

The trust claimed its right to all assets of Pierce's firm and business entities included the bail, since he posted the $2 million with a check from his firm's account.

Rittenhouse's attorney, Mark Richards, argued Friday the money was wired to Pierce's firm from #FightBack, and went through Pierce's client trust account, so the money would never be subject to liens by business creditors.

In an affidavit, the trust's officer in charge of recovering assets from Pierce also claimed that despite Pierce's huge debt, the trust decided to contribute $300,000 to Rittenhouse's bail as an investment.
It doesn't look like Rittenhouse got any of it.

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Kyle Rittenhouse today says he may sue Biden if he doesn’t apologize to him: “I tried reaching out to him 5 times to have an interview but he was too cowardly to sit down and talk to me.”

There’s nothing more patriotic than a white supremacist double murderer suing the President of the United States during the most volatile international crisis since World War II because he’s desperate for attention.
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Kyle's on minute 13 of his 15
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I literally highlighted the part that I don't believe. Here it is again.

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I have witnessed it first-hand at a local Walmart. These 'shoplifters' don't have a care in the world; after loading up their shopping carts, they just push 'em right out the door, looking at the paying customers with an air of contempt and a smirk.
I don't believe any of this.
I recognize it though: It's precisely the same rhetoric used to describe the classic "welfare queens" that load up their shopping carts with steak and lobster, pay with food stamps, and smirk at the paying customers on the way out, before departing in a Cadillac. It's always a Caddy.
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Originally Posted by gnome View Post
I recognize it though: It's precisely the same rhetoric used to describe the classic "welfare queens" that load up their shopping carts with steak and lobster, pay with food stamps, and smirk at the paying customers on the way out, before departing in a Cadillac. It's always a Caddy.

Yes, people do walk into stores and brazenly shoplift. They know that the security guard will probably not try and physically stop them due mainly to liability concerns, not the law.


Try these


You see gangs of people in stores doing this now simultaneously. All the employees can do is hope none of them are violent and watch them steal.


What this has to do with Kyle I don't know.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Yes, people do walk into stores and brazenly shoplift. They know that the security guard will probably not try and physically stop them due mainly to liability concerns, not the law.


Try these


You see gangs of people in stores doing this now simultaneously. All the employees can do is hope none of them are violent and watch them steal.


What this has to do with Kyle I don't know.
Examples I saw related to shoplifters targeting small, high value items. Where are the "loaded shopping carts"?
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Examples I saw related to shoplifters targeting small, high value items. Where are the "loaded shopping carts"?
Worthing shop robbery: Masked-suspects stole high-value electrical items. I lived in Worthing for about 30 years. It does seem that this sort of behaviour is becoming more prevalent in the UK.

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