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Old 18th February 2020, 01:01 PM   #3081
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But why is he pardoning any of them?
Maybe he's doing his impression of Oprah Winfrey.

"You get a pardon... and YOU get a pardon..."
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:03 PM   #3082
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
But why is he pardoning any of them?
Because he can.
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:06 PM   #3083
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Because he can.
Yeah but why these specific people and not others?
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:27 PM   #3084
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Yeah but why these specific people and not others?

Planning for the future by setting a precedent for pardons for highly publicized fraud and corruption?
No, wait. Planning for the future? I must have forgotten who I was talking about.
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:30 PM   #3085
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Yeah but why these specific people and not others?
Money changing hands?
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:38 PM   #3086
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How long do you think the list of pardons will be before he gets to General Lee and Jefferson Davis?
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:40 PM   #3087
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I'm not so sure about that first part. I think he's well aware that there's a sizeable proportion of people who are vehemently opposed to him but he casts them as traitors which both supports his ego and motivates his base.

IMO he knows the electoral mathematics and that's part of why he spends so much time whipping up his base (the rest being that he loves the adulation of a baying mob). If he can get them to turn our then he knows he can comfortably secure reelection.
He may realize there's a sizeable amount but I don't think he can admit to himself just how many. Does he really think that the majority of Americans are
traitors? That alone shows he doesn't realize how many people dislike him. He thinks he's second only to Lincoln on being "presidential" and constantly brags about his 95+ approval rating among Republicans. That's his bubble.
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:40 PM   #3088
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Crossing my fingers for a Bernie Madoff pardon. he was surely done wrong.

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Old 18th February 2020, 01:47 PM   #3089
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Yeah but why these specific people and not others?
I suspect Blagojevich's sentence was commuted because he's a Democrat and Trump wanted to say "Look, I'm generous to the Democrats too".
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:50 PM   #3090
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
It was apparently during GWB's re-election bid. Seems a normal thing to do, although back then probably not quite for the same reasons Dan Bongino imagines.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12363
"....psychiatrist's phones"

So, according to Dan Bongino, only ONE psychiatrist's phones are ringing off the hook with liberal snowflakes who can't take it? How did they all know to call the very same psychiatrist?
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:54 PM   #3091
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Remember when Obama got impeached? How about when he paid off a porn star?
Remember when paid millions out of court for running a fake university? or remember when Obama he had to shutter his crooked foundation and pay a 2 million fine for stealing from it?
Remember when his ego was so fragile he had to attack his predecessor on Presidents Day?
Technically he didn’t steal any money. He raised money for the veterans, put it in a re-election account for a while, took it out and gave it to the veterans. The judge said that the fine was only $2 million because all the money eventually went to the veterans and if any had been stolen the fine would be much greater.
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:58 PM   #3092
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Trump Tweets

The Mayor’s efforts to shield illegal aliens endangers the lives of the public and law enforcement who have to go into the field to apprehend those released. He shouldn’t be urging illegals to beat the system, he should be urging them to safely turn themselves in!

(In reference to San Francisco)
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:58 PM   #3093
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Money changing hands?
Why yes, there is!
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:59 PM   #3094
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What Mini Mike is doing is nothing less than a large scale illegal campaign contribution. He is “spreading” money all over the place, only to have recipients of his cash payments, many former opponents, happily joining or supporting his campaign. Isn’t that called a payoff? .....

.....Mini is illegally buying the Democrat Nomination. They are taking it away from Bernie again. Mini Mike, Major Party Nominations are not for sale! Good luck in the debate tomorrow night and remember, no standing on boxes!
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:59 PM   #3095
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I think a POTUS' power to pardon or commute the sentence of anyone that has a personal or business relationship with him/her or whose crime is directly connected to the POTUS should not be allowed.

I think we can see a Stone pardon coming as well as for Flynn and Manafort. If not before the election, at the latest after it if he wins.

ETA: Is anyone stupid enough to believe Trump's claim that he hasn't even thought about pardoning Stone?

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Old 18th February 2020, 02:00 PM   #3096
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Old 18th February 2020, 02:03 PM   #3097
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You know what is called a "payoff"?
Paying Hush Money to a porn star to cover up affairs during the election in 2016!
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Old 18th February 2020, 02:04 PM   #3098
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump tweets

What Mini Mike is doing is nothing less than a large scale illegal campaign contribution. He is “spreading” money all over the place, only to have recipients of his cash payments, many former opponents, happily joining or supporting his campaign. Isn’t that called a payoff? .....

.....Mini is illegally buying the Democrat Nomination. They are taking it away from Bernie again. Mini Mike, Major Party Nominations are not for sale! Good luck in the debate tomorrow night and remember, no standing on boxes!
But I'll pardon a politician who put a senate seat up for sale!
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Old 18th February 2020, 02:34 PM   #3099
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or remember when Obama he had to shutter his crooked foundation and pay a 2 million fine for stealing from it?
Technically he didn’t steal any money. He raised money for the veterans, put it in a re-election account for a while, took it out and gave it to the veterans. The judge said that the fine was only $2 million because all the money eventually went to the veterans and if any had been stolen the fine would be much greater.
Actually the illegal activity of Trump and the Trump foundation go far beyond his "veterans" scam.

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/new-...r-charity.html
New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood sued President Donald Trump, three of his adult children and their charitable foundation Thursday, claiming “a pattern of persistent illegal conduct” for more than a decade. Underwood said the Donald J. Trump Foundation engaged in “extensive unlawful political coordination with the Trump presidential campaign.” She also alleged “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions to benefit Mr. Trump’s personal and business interests.”
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...questionable payments included a $100,000 payment to settle legal claims against the president’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a $158,000 payment to settle claims related to a hole-in-one tournament at the Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County and $10,000 at a charity auction to buy a painting of Trump... And, at Trump’s behest, the foundation “illegally provided extensive support to his 2016 presidential campaign by using the Trump Foundation’s name and funds it raised from the public to promote his campaign,” Underwood’s office said.


Then of course there was:

- Trump using foundation funds to contribute to the political career of Pam Bondi, who was the florida Attorney General that had been looking into Trump university, but then who mysteriously dropped the case right around the time the donation was made. (Trump was caught for that earlier and had to repay the money.) She would then go on to defend Trump at his impeachment.

- Trump possibly using Foundation funds to pay for his son's Scouts membership. (I say possibly because, well, its hard to figure out what else the contribution could be for... the $7 contribution was exactly what the cost of the fees were.)
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Old 18th February 2020, 02:35 PM   #3100
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“[Blagojevich] served eight years in jail, a long time. He seems like a very nice person, don’t know him."

Blagojevich appeared alongside Trump in a season of Celebrity Apprentice...
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Old 18th February 2020, 03:19 PM   #3101
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Ha. Remember how during the Ukraine Hoax, liberals tried arguing that Trump does not care about corruption? Here he is commuting a sentence that was way too long and unfair. Plus, Blago's a Democrat!
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Old 18th February 2020, 03:28 PM   #3102
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While thousands of nameless African Americans rot in prison for less.
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Old 18th February 2020, 03:36 PM   #3103
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Trump: I haven't thought about pardoning Flynn or Stone.

Sure, Donnie, sure you haven't.
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Old 18th February 2020, 04:09 PM   #3104
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While thousands of nameless African Americans rot in prison for less.
I'm pretty sure they have names.
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Old 18th February 2020, 04:32 PM   #3105
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Yeah but why these specific people and not others?


Read the articles. Pretty much every one of them is friends with Trump, or has friends of Trump advocating for their pardon.

Hey, no problem, corruption is legal now. Enjoy!
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These were Mueller prosecutors, and the whole Mueller investigation was illegally set up based on a phony and now fully discredited Fake Dossier, lying and forging documents to the FISA Court, and many other things. Everything having to do with this fraudulent investigation is...

....badly tainted and, in my opinion, should be thrown out. Even Mueller’s statement to Congress that he did not see me to become the FBI Director (again), has been proven false. The whole deal was a total SCAM. If I wasn’t President, I’d be suing everyone all over the place...

....BUT MAYBE I STILL WILL. WITCH HUNT!
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... If I wasn’t President, I’d be suing everyone all over the place...
One trick pony.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

These were Mueller prosecutors, and the whole Mueller investigation was illegally set up based on a phony and now fully discredited Fake Dossier, lying and forging documents to the FISA Court, and many other things. Everything having to do with this fraudulent investigation is...

....badly tainted and, in my opinion, should be thrown out. Even Mueller’s statement to Congress that he did not see me to become the FBI Director (again), has been proven false. The whole deal was a total SCAM. If I wasn’t President, I’d be suing everyone all over the place...

....BUT MAYBE I STILL WILL. WITCH HUNT!
Lawyer: "*sigh* Sir, I've explained the whole 'discovery' thing to you before..."
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

These were Mueller prosecutors, and the whole Mueller investigation was illegally set up based on a phony and now fully discredited Fake Dossier, lying and forging documents to the FISA Court, and many other things. Everything having to do with this fraudulent investigation is...

....badly tainted and, in my opinion, should be thrown out. Even Mueller’s statement to Congress that he did not see me to become the FBI Director (again), has been proven false. The whole deal was a total SCAM. If I wasn’t President, I’d be suing everyone all over the place...

....BUT MAYBE I STILL WILL. WITCH HUNT!
Along with all those lying women accusing me of sexual assault that I said I was going to sue back in 2016!
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But why is he pardoning any of them?
Two possibilities IM unqualified O:

Either he's sulking and thinks this is getting even with someone.

Or, he's throwing out a bunch of shiny squirrels because no one is paying enough attention to him with all the Democratic polls and debates.

Or maybe a bit of both.
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I'm pretty sure they have names.
Me too.
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Maybe he's doing his impression of Oprah Winfrey.

"You get a pardon... and YOU get a pardon..."
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Technically he didn’t steal any money. He raised money for the veterans, put it in a re-election account for a while, took it out and gave it to the veterans. The judge said that the fine was only $2 million because all the money eventually went to the veterans and if any had been stolen the fine would be much greater.
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He may realize there's a sizeable amount but I don't think he can admit to himself just how many. Does he really think that the majority of Americans are

traitors? That alone shows he doesn't realize how many people dislike him. He thinks he's second only to Lincoln on being "presidential" and constantly brags about his 95+ approval rating among Republicans. That's his bubble.


Second to Lincoln......
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Second to Lincoln......
And as usual he's lying through his teeth. This is from a news article in Bloomberg in early December.
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Trump said Tuesday [Dec 3, 2019] at a news conference during the NATO summit in London. “I just had a 95 percent approval rating. It’s the highest in the history of the Republican Party.” There’s no evidence for that. Trump has consistently had support in the high 80s among Republicans -- strong, but not a record for a president of that party. George W. Bush had an approval rating of 99% after the Sept. 11 attacks, and his father, George H.W. Bush, saw 97% approval ratings after the Gulf War. And, more important, polls show that even Republicans who profess to support him harbor doubts.

Roughly a fourth of Republicans tell pollsters that Trump is not honest. A third of GOP voters say they believe he committed crimes before he was elected. And an average of polls by FiveThirtyEight shows that one in 10 Republicans think he should be impeached. Link
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Second to Lincoln......
If Trump were running against Washington or Lincoln, we can imagine the names he'd call them.

Loopy Lincoln?
Abe the Ape?

Georgie Porgie?
Washed Up Washington?
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And as usual he's lying through his teeth.

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Trump said Tuesday [Dec 3, 2019] at a news conference during the NATO summit in London. “I just had a 95 percent approval rating. It’s the highest in the history of the Republican Party.” There’s no evidence for that. Trump has consistently had support in the high 80s among Republicans -- strong, but not a record for a president of that party. George W. Bush had an approval rating of 99% after the Sept. 11 attacks, and his father, George H.W. Bush, saw 97% approval ratings after the Gulf War. And, more important, polls show that even Republicans who profess to support him harbor doubts.

Roughly a fourth of Republicans tell pollsters that Trump is not honest. A third of GOP voters say they believe he committed crimes before he was elected. And an average of polls by FiveThirtyEight shows that one in 10 Republicans think he should be impeached. Link
This is from a news article in Bloomberg in early December.
It's the 3/4ths of Republicans that think he IS honest that worries me.
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But why is he pardoning any of them?
He’s sending a message.
I think that message is “crooked politicians and their employees do not belong behind bars.”
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I suspect Blagojevich's sentence was commuted because he's a Democrat and Trump wanted to say "Look, I'm generous to the Democrats too".
I think the message there is that quid pro quo is not a crime even for a Democrat.
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The pardoning list reminds me of Terry the Toad from American Graffiti going into the liquor store, and trying to hide the fact that he's buying liquor by getting a bunch of other innocuous items with it.

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Terry: A Three Musketeers, and a ball point pen, one of those combs there, a pint of Old Harper, a couple of flashlight batteries and some beef jerky.
He's just prepping us for when he does the major pardons in a day or so so they won't seem so abrupt.
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